your view on 'original sin'

It absolutly mind boggling that non-christians are sitting around talking about how Jesus was 'light on punishment' as if this is something they know.
Meanwhile,
Histories most barbaric act of horrific crime and punishment makes up the very founding moment of Christianity:
The Crucifixion.

Might I suggest renting 'The Passion' (a shorter and softer version of what really happened) and then come back and explain how punishment for sins is not really talked about much in the New Testament?
Exactly.

 

i really just cannot wrap my head around a god that is supposed to be omnipotent, and love all "his" children unconditionally, but can allow them to suffer ETERNALLY when their hearts are full of love but rightfully skeptic of a religion that has hurt so many people, and is just one among so many different belief systems. i can't get behind a god that is so stupid (obviously not omniscient) to ignore or accept or be oblivious to the fact that depending on WHERE you are born, you may grow up automatically accepting something and never consider jesus, and because you didn't know the magic words to say, too bad, your ONE CHANCE is all you get. or maybe you genuinely seeked and one path seemed truer than another, and you made the wrong choice.
and if there is a hell, wouldn't that be a place where god isn't? that would rule out His omnipresence.

omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. the three defining qualities of god. i can't see any of them in a theism that believes in original sin.

 

Original sin and the big apple is an explanation for consciousness and it didn’t mean originally in Hebrew a moral good or evil but what was disadvantageous; it has side effects knowing we were like Gods.

As for humans being sinner I never hear Jesus say any such thing but that’s of corrupt books and churches. Jesus doesn’t see sin in you.

God bless

 

I have some difficulty accepting the theological importance of "Original Sin." I think it erroneously defines humanity according to an assumption that we are all inherently flawed. Whether or not it is true, humanity is, collectively and individually, far more than a mere definition of flaws.

However . . .

I think "original sin" is purposefully undefined and essentially undefinable. Each person has their own individual expression of whatever it is that original sin may be. Each person has their own little toddler moment of unknowing when "original sin," expressed as anger or jealousy or greed or whatever, causes one to become, however briefly and uneventfully, something other than a completely natural, innocent, happy child of the divine.

Despite the theological importance of original sin, an individual's moment of original sin is usually not nearly as dramatic as it is influential. That moment, uncorrected in its banality, creates trouble by initiating a lifelong habit for that person's behavior.

The theological debate is whether or not original sin is an expression of inherently flawed human nature or, as I would rather believe, just a universally common (and therefore, immediately and universally forgiveable) error everyone makes, in one way or another, on the way to becoming a fully mature human being.

I like to think I am forgiven simply because I am human.

Peace and Love

 

The entire concept of "original sin" is a stupid idea, and one meant to whitewash God of any blame. 2 ignorant people cannot be held resposible for their uninformed choice. This idea is a bit like if your dad goes on a killing spree and gets caught and handed 2 life sentences in prison. He then dies after 1, so then according to this asinine concept, you will have to go to jail to serve the rest his term. You see how stupid that is?

 

It's a free country. We can call ourselves anything we want. When I call myself a Christian, all I mean is that I think Jesus, as I understand him, was an enlightened teacher who opposed the religious establishment, had compassion for the poor and outcasts, preached being non-judgmental and loving your neighbor, opposed stoning adultresses and an "eye for an eye", stood up to the Pharisees,etc. I don't take original sin or most of the stuff in the Apostle's or Nicene creeds literally. Altough I'm no bible scholar, I think it was Paul and more explicitly St. Augustine of Hippo who introduced the idea of original sin. I'm an allegory man, myself, and think original sin has meaning in that context. I also like the label "humanist", and call myself a Christian humanist. That's what I think Jesus was.

 

Yes, it's hard to get around that the compassionate loving person I've picked as a role model seemed to preach hell fire and damnation. Not all Jews of his time believed in it, but the Pharisees and Essenes did. It's hard for me to reconcile the concept with justice, mercy and compassion. I tend to take it, as I do most things in the Bible, allegorically. Hell is a metaphor for a tendency in human existence--what it would be like if all of the evil tendencies in our natures were given free reign, and in that sense it's very real. Hell is a bad attitude--or more accurately, all of our bad attitudes projected to eternity.

 

Original Sin: A story invented in an ancient and geographically isolated culture to explain or rationalize the random appearance of good and evil qualities in human beings.

Later appropriated by the Roman church as foundational doctrine, and has continued to this day as same for most branches of what is generally called Christianity.

 

SIN...

the way i have come to see it, i hate the word. I prefer a "glitch in the space time continnuum"... caused by our inability as humans to play by the said "RULES" that god has used to create the universe.

The word sin implies guilt and fear and a lot of unhapiness... which is against the purpose the word in the first place...

REPENT, means to sit down, and smarten the *&$% up, change your attitude, and mind set, re-align your mind body and soul, and LOVE ALL unconditionally.

We are here to be happy, and LOVE. PERIOD.

This entire universe runs on LOVE baby, and the only thing that is in my opinion is SIN is when you seperate yourself from it and you stop LOVING IT.

I am a HARDCORE christian to the bone and I am not affraid to CONFESS that CONFESSION is actually an ATTROCITY, it makes you dwell on your UNLOVING WAYS EVEN MORE and in return only makes you bring more of it about.

I believe that confession may have been once upon a time an institution used by clergy men to help people understand how they have lost the ability to love and somewhere along the way it got VERY VERY VERY perverted. WITH FEAR, GUILT, AND this notion of punishment.

HOLAY CRAP... that's some serious BS!

NOW, however, that all being said, It might sound like i'm making myself out to be "perfect"... Hell no, i'm not the PERFECT LOVER. I am human ... i am walking sack of greed and weakness, that gets highs of my own neuro chemical reactions that take place through out my body when i feel a certain emotion... I like to "screw up" cause it makes me high... therefor i am a *gulp* "SINNER" to the core... gah how i hat the CONNOTATION OF THAT WORD... but when you see it for what it really is SIN is NOT BAD. It's just an UNLOVING perception of your reality brought to life... a glitch in this universe of LOVE

and guess what? God "forgives" the boo boo as long as you REPENT, and GO BACK TO LOVE, and loving the universe.

GOD LOVES. NO FEAR, NO WORRIES, BE HAPPY!

 

"GOD IS LIGHT"

no wait sorry...

"LIGHT IS GOD"

LIGHT: OMNIPOTENT, OMNISCIENT, OMNIPRESENT...

THUS THE SONG

TURN ON YOUR "LOVE LIGHT", LET IT SHINE ON ME.

SIN is just lack of LOVE.

 

Light is either a wave or very small particles,
are you saying those are god?
If so, they can be easily reproduced.

 

... correct-o-mundo, man made, however.

I'm talking Natural light ... ASTRAL light. Stars, Suns. so on...

It makes even a little bit of sense right?

I'm not saying our Sun is God either...I'm just saying in our part of the universe... on our planet... NO SUN=NO LIGHT=NO LIFE (WHAT SO EVER)...

But hey, I could be completly full of shit.

It's the only way God, makes sense to me. Light has to be a part of it. Otherwise LIFE would have never come to be.

And ... well here come the usual FLAME FLAME FLAME of hate.

sighs.

Jesus said it plenty. God AS light. God is light. BLA BLA BLA...

Man, I'm almost starting to talk like that BURBOT guy FedUp Quotes...

YIPE!



THIS IS WAY OFF TOPIC AND COULD START QUITE A DEBATE...

you can always pm me dood.

 

The sun is a heap of gas burning which emits heat and light,
same as turning your lighter on to light your cigaret, however a billion times bigger,
I doubt you could describe that as god as we would virtually speaking keep god in little plastic things :-X

 

Oh for the love of...

OK OK,

Good Point...

I don't care what it/he/she looks like, what he/she/it is, or what he/she/it put on its corn flakes in the morning.

Sorry, this is the premise of faith. You can argue with me till "THE COWS COME HOME" like yanks say, You can't break my faith.

I know there is a God, and I don't really care WHAT it/he/she is or looks like, All I know is that its unlimited source of energy is LIGHT. That's where the energy came from, and that's my point. It's somekind of being of light...

If I go anymore socratic on my own ass on that line of thinking i'll die of a sudden massive stroke.

Now lets drop this on this thread an leave the floor back to the original topic please...

ciao,

 

Oh it can easily be splitt by a mod if it reaches a level when a new topic is created in a existing thread,
I was wondering where you get your proof he/she/it is light.