Reincarnation

Wrong.
That is where nutrients come from.
Not the initial spark of life.
Dude, I was There for my sons birth
and during the pregnancy.
I went to every doctor visit.
I saw every picture of my sons growth
from a tadpole like blob to a 19
month old boy that he is now.
LIFE does not come from anything
physical, and if it did, we would have
been able to create life, and as far
as I know, nobody has been able to
do that so far.
Cloning is not creation, my friend.

 

Just because you feel a certain way doesn't make something true. Assessments made on emotions discount reality. People do make life, from liquids, chromosomes, etc. in their bodies, whether you want to admit that life is biological or not. You're entitled to your opinions; it's unlikely that either of us will ever change our minds, but that's probably for the best.

Whenever I consider ontology or rationality, a quote from Faulkner's novel, As I Lay Dying, comes to mind, "I feel like a wet seed wild in the hot blind earth." This is what I think I know for sure: that I am going to die one day; that nothing I do matters because nothing can matter; that humanity is irrelevant; and that there is no god, afterlife, reincarnation, or rationality.
Some day, I will be a corpse and decompose in a completely unromantic fashion because human life is just as banal and unmysterious as anything else, and everything I ever do will be forgotten.

My outlook depresses me and that is why I use drugs. I think people are religious for the same reason that I use drugs, because the greatest challenge in my life is forgetting what an empty, meaningless void it is, and nobody wants to feel that way. This isn't an argument because I like your religious views and am jealous that I will never feel that way.

 

Sounds like you need to check out existentialism, undercooked. Life is "meaningless" in a certain sense, but it is also full of so much rich meaning... the trick is, you have to GIVE it that meaning. Life means whatever you want it to mean. You are whoever you are.

I agree with Relayer and Smokindude... smokindude makes a great point that is essentially why I am a "believer" - how is any of this possible? I mean, how am I conscious? Sure, I have genes and cells and a brain and all of that... but it's so true that the spark of life is completely unexplainable, and I don't think it ever will be explained through science. I believe that science will be abandoned within the next hundred years as we move past science and into the realm of pure consciousness and holy knowledge

In my opinion, we will never be able to FULLY bridge the gap between the physical and the mental/spiritual, at least the way we are going about it now. How can atoms come together to make consciousness? How can my sole existence be as atoms when I can't even understand the workings of those atoms? I believe that I am much more than my physical body, and I don't see how science can ever explain what it is like to RECEIVE data. I mean sure, we have eyes and sense organs which transmit info to the brain with charges and neurotransmitters and all of that, but what is it that is RECEIVING the data? The thing that I would call "me" in colloquial terms, the data receptor? What is it? It is consciousness, and I can't imagine it ever being explained.

 

I'm familiar with existantialism, have read most of its notable texts, and took a philosophy class about it once. I was a whore for Sartre for awhile but personally lean more toward determinism because in my opinion, Sartre and other existentialists tend to hold too much stock in free will. Also, I'm glad that Camus died before writing anything I'd disagree with, because he is my favorite author, whether he could be considered existentialist or not.

 

Cool, after what you wrote, I'm not surprised you have taken the existential trip. I only suggested it because I thought maybe existentialism would be a way to put a more positive spin on the meaningless of life, which is obviously getting you down a bit.

Anyway, nice thoughts throughout the thread. It's always good to hear well thought-out, logical opinions, even if there is some disagreement

 

Haha, I was a pretty big optimist before I discovered existentialism. It has definitely influenced me.

 

it totally happens.. im very aware of my past lives and im learning them so much more as i grow.

totally im a believer.
and ripped as shit.
=]

 

Wanna know how im 100% sure theres SOMETHING after life? Today, i got a call from my BEST friend, who was also friends with my brother who past away in away in june. Anyways, she was balling her eyes out on the phone in absolute shock because she had just went into a physic that knew EVERYTHING about my brothers death. She "felt" that my brother died on his vomit, on methadone, and in his bed. Which is all true. She said he wants my family to stop blaming themselves. She said many other detailed things about my brother, and his death. Its scary, actually.

 

^ how much money did he take?

 

how much money did who take?

 

the psychic

 

$25

 

do you believe in magic, dragon ball z style power waves and ghosts too dude?

 

Tell me then, how did this lady know what she knew.

 

maybe she didnt. you seen that southpark episode where theres the biggest douche in the univrse, that psychic guy. or it could be granny tales. you know a tells b he found fifty bucks. then he tells c he found eighty bucks, then c tells d how a found a hundred bucks and then the next person say how he found over a hundred.

or i dunno

 

Wow! I just saw that there are more people
understanding reincarnation then there are
people who dont understand it
I would have never guessed, honestly.
Thanks for setting my mind straight my friends

 

yea but relayer understanding it doesnt make it real, just understadning u need a wand to do magic wont make you actually do it like.

 

Is that so? And how can you tell me, what
is and is not real, in my eyes?
Just as I would not tell you that what you
believe is or is not real.
Who am I to judge the reality of things,
especially things that I do not know about?

Can you tell me, Mr.green, what you know
about reincarnation, aside from the basic
idea that the Soul progresses through
prakriti (God nature) and is deluded by
maya (illusion of seperation)?

Because, obviously, in order to base your
non-belief in something, you need to first
base your thoughts on studied research
of the matter which you claim to be false.

 

well its just i wouldnt find researching something i find silly very interesting. mystical powers like that seem just like fairy tales to me, and i could spend all my time reading up on them but id rather not tbh

 

So, the belief of over a billion people, with roots in
the science of God realization, which is several
thousands of years old, are just silly mystical
powers to some white kid in England?
That's not very surprising actually.
If you ever actually took the time to attepmt proper
meditation, and devote yourself to its practice, you
would find a feeling that you cant even begin to
imagine.
Although, in the early stages, it does feel similar
to a marijuana high when you attempt focusing.
But that is besides the point.
Also, reincarnation is not even remotley close to
resembling a 'mystical power', whatever that
actually means lol.
If anything, it is the dettachment from samsara
(cycle of life and rebirth) that is considered
power, not the rebirth process. Liberation
is the key my friend.
Those living samadhi are probably, the most
aspired to and powerful people on the Earth.