Disproving God

h'okay everybody, let's have a nice little discussion disproving god's existence.
i'll start.

the idea of free will and an omnipotent being are incompatable.
in order to be all knowing, you have to, well, know everything. that means the beginings, ends, and middles of all our little paths through the universe.
this means 2 things.
1that either god doesn't exist.
2free will doesn't exist.

 

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I have an answer for that one:

The non matter that binds all matter together is conscious.

That includes you, me and the whole of everything....The universe and whatever else IS.

As it is conscious, it knows everything, hence you know everything, we are all one...

Higgs Bosun, Quantum Physics, Nirvana...

Hope that's OK...
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Do you have any scientific documentation for this astounding conclusion?

 

are you refering to me or to the universal consciousness person?

 

Either that or
3. God knows us, and knows what choices we will make.

 

ah, you've stumbled into my heffalump trap.
if god knows what choice you will make, then he already knows whats going to happen. which means what happens is set in stone, which means you have no free will...

 

yeah that always confused me. it does say in the bible that there is a massive book that has the names of the damned already written down in it.

Wanna hear my latest WILD WACKO THEORY (probably not true, but weird to think about)

Ok, the only thing we know FOR SURE is that we exist. We don;t know our life is some giant dream like the matrix or whatever. So, what if WE'RE GOD. Like, I am God, and everything is just in my imagination, and I have to break free of this dream world to see my true power. I thought of this on my own, but for you, I guess I could represent your subconscious telling you how it is. Wild, isn't it? Really gets you thinking...

 

That sounds like an attempt to prove God??? Well guess what, I don't know everything. I don't even know what my wife is doing upstairs right now. So in your attempt to confirm your God theory or conscious everything theory, you actually totally disproved it to me right there.



So tell me what color my computer room rug is, if you are in the same “all conscious, all knowing” universe that I'm in, this should be no problem for you.





We know information in this universe gets destroyed. Does this fit with the concept of an all knowing eternal consciousness?



Why did an all knowing everything decide to format, wipe out, obliterate and destroy 80 million years of work with the impact of one asteroid? When is all knowing everything going to format mankind? How can everything be all knowing after it knows that it has formatted, wiped out and obliterated information that it once knew that it held and knows that it now does not hold?????

 

Our bodies are made of matter. Our brain has a controller..(the thing that sifts out the millions of peices of information our senses pick up every second and decides what is important and what is not.."Evolution of the curious mind" by Ian Stewart,Jack S. Cohen...

But the body is also made up of non matter that holds matter together ( http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/inourtime_20041118.shtml Click the listen again link on the website)...The GOD particle!
Yes, information is destroyed. Quoting two Cambridge scientists I had a conversation with "In a void, two virtual particles will anihilate each other". Reminds me of the old Chinese "Ying and Yang".

Like our own mind, consiousness as a dimension, will seek out to find what it is conscious of: In the searching, it finds...Creates/Creation?

Look around you and count the number of things that have been created from the mind. Non of this existed untill a mind thought of it..then made it reality. When you come to nature, you come to the old question "Who made all this? Is there a God?


The answer is really simple, what made us, is just an extension of what we do, Create... The non matter that binds all matter together is conscious. It knows everything, it created everything, and we in it's image, wonder what we are aware of and create too!

Hope that helps

Strawpup
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I think this calls for psuedo-intelligent multi-lingual quotes from ancient philosophers.

 

Trying to disproving god gives credence to the idea that its even possible for there to be such a thing. If I say that there is a creature called a "Guimerate" that lives and swims in the molten core of Venus and controls the output of the sun through telepathy, I offer no evidence other then my words, would you believe me? Most sensible people wouldn't. How is any different when people talk about a god?

 

The only difference is that people have been bred to believe in God through millions of years of murders, genocides and wars in Gods honor.

 

or...
3. God is not omnipotent

 

i meant omniscient btw.
can you trick god?


on the subject of omnipotence: can god microwave a burrito so hot he himself cannot eat it?

 

Weak minds...do u realize if something does not make sense here on earth, it could in the after-life? What if our universe is just in 1 pocket of time in Gods control, and theres a God thats so much bigger and that is eternal, the beginning and the end. This is just petty little earth, people. Theres so much more that can only be explained in the after-life/Gods presence.

 

"The next thing I knew I was inside a tunnel. It was a long tunnel with the brightest white light I had ever seen. I was amazed that the light did not hurt my eyes. I could feel music playing, but I heard no sound.

Just as I was about to walk further into this tunnel, I saw a silhouetted figure round the corner and enter from the other end of the tunnel. I knew immediately that it was Jesus. I just knew it, like someone had opened my head and put that knowledge inside.

I was afraid to speak...but I did not have to say a word. He said in a very quiet and calm way, "You're not thinking right." The minute He said this, I realized that I had been thinking, that I didn't want to live. "

Just one amazing experience out of millions. If these NDE's are really just a hallucination, then how come some of them wouldnt be weird dreams that have to do with something totally random? There ALL about God in one way or another..EVERY SINGLE ONE. Talk to anybody who has experienced it, it changed their lives because it was so real. Even atheists.

 

There's a thread already polluted with NDE BULLSHIT, must you pollute another with this overly exaggerated, unsubstantiated trickery?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCVzz96zKA0

a reasearcher was able to duplicate a lot of the prominent features of a NDE, without actually being near death.

and who are you calling a weak mind, you believe in something that you admit might only make sense after you are dead. if i had an investment plan, and i swore up and down that it netted gigantic returns after you've died, would you buy in? some people would, because the reward could be great enough to overcome that little demon who reminds you that once you're dead, you're well, dead.

 

^ wow. I agree. Also, the whole light at the end of the tunnel thing could possibly be some sort of chemical reaction in some part of your brain. Both sides of the spectrum have to be analyzed. And the whole weak minded comment was atrociously ironic if I may say so.