Energy cannot be created or destroyed...

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by fuehrer, Jul 26, 2007.

  1. fuehrer

    fuehrer Member

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    So I wonder how our universe has energy... or if energy even exists.

    God I love drugs.
     
  2. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

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    what created creation? ;)
     
  3. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    I don't believe we know enough about energy to definitively say energy is not created or destroyed.

    I believe energy was somehow created. I do not believe the theory that before the big bang all matter was compressed in a small point. I believe there was no matter at all, and no energy at all before the big bang. Maybe it was just for a split second or maybe the equivalent of a trillion years, what's the difference when there's no energy, no matter and no consciousness to observe this period.

    The existence of energy in the universe may resemble an AC sine wave oscillating in polarity within a period of 200 trillion years. It may be just the naturally occurring result of the crossing polarities in an infinite universe.
     
  4. shaman sun

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    Some say that nothing existed, and some say that is true even today. We float in mirages, below us the sea of no-thingness, where everything arises. I guess that's a Buddhist thing to say though.
     
  5. thumontico

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    well maybe reality is uncreated then.. that law would point to that opinion.

    uncreated reality: (chicken/egg)> big bang, expansion, retraction, big bang, expansion, retraction, and so on?

    exceedingly inconsequential either way...
     
  6. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

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    energy is something that has always been and is all we are :)
     
  7. shaman sun

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    I always liked this quote from the moment I first read it:

    "Why are you unhappy?
    Because 99.9% of everything you think,
    And everything you do,
    Is for your self,
    And there isn't one."
     
  8. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

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    This is the first time I read it and I like it too.
     
  9. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    What do you mean there isn't one?!

    There is one, and not only one! Selves have self in common.
     
  10. shaman sun

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    Cool, but what is the self but a jumble of memories? What is permanent in a transient flux, where things come and go? There's another meditation, or zen-koan like presentation, that asks this:

    Observe the sky, watch as the clouds float by.
    Observe the earth, watch as it passes through; light, colors, people, places.
    Observe your thoughts, watch as they come and ago,
    Observe your emotions, watch as they surface and disappear like waves,
    ripples crashing and falling back into the void.

    Clouds float by,
    the world floats by,
    Your thoughts float by,
    Your feelings float by,
    What then, are you, who is observing all of these objects?
    Who is this observer? The eye which cannot see itself? ;)
     
  11. Dejavu

    Dejavu Until the great unbanning

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    That the self is not static doesn't mean it has no existence! A Buddhist may say the self has no inherent existence, and even then they would be wrong--- All existence is inherent.


    Me, that's who!

    Finding the profundity in such a koan is like wringing water from a stone. ;)
     
  12. shaman sun

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    That's it! The "me" without an image. You are not a thing, and neither am I, we are being, I guess you could say, inherent.
     
  13. Libertine

    Libertine Guru of Hedonopia

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    shaman,

    I enjoy your quotes.

    Very deep.
     

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