Every Women: Anti-Abortion and Anti-Life

I think that it being ONLY the mans choice is SO dumb... But i do believe that the man should have a say in it too. I mean think about it... that is their kid too... shouldn't they have a say in whether their child dies or not? i believe that it should be between the doctor... the women... and her husband. I am COMPLETLY pro-life... Don't get my wrong... but i believe that the man should also have the say... It took two people to make that child... that human being who is completly innocent... why shouldn't the man have a say too? Just think about it ok retrofishie? I respect you for what you think... im just asking you to think about this too.

 

Umm.... how is this a valid argument for making abortion illegal? What difference would it make to make it illegal if you suggest that like in the past, abortions will be performed in psysicians offices. Making it an outlawed practice isn't gonna change squat, except that women will feel more guilt and shame, not only from going through the process but for breaking the law and risking their future.

Not only that, as soon as you take something like that, a medical proceedure, into outlawed territory, you have deregulation of the proceedure, and you know whaty that means? It means there would be no rules or guidelines for the pysicians to follow and abide by. This would result in a larger risk because your operation's sucess would be based on the luck of the draw.

Making abortion illegal and taking away regulations from the operation would also mean that women who had suffered from barbaric surgery, where the 'doctor' was careless or even malicious, perfroming the proceedure in a way which was unintended and unecessary, would be unprotected in the eyes of the law.

The first argument stated is totally not a complete one.

 

I was not saying that the man should not have any say at all. these men wanted to be able to force their wives to have abortions. i think that it should be a decision made by both people involved, but in reality when it comes right down to it, it's the womans choice. it's not necessarily good that she can do it if she wants to no matter how the guy feels, but that's how it is.

 

no, you believe no one should have a say in it, except people who agree with you, and the united states government, that is, if it agrees with you. that's what "pro-life" - or wait no i mean "anti-choice" - means

 

yeah... who in the world would say that they are "anti-life"? i think everybody in the world is for life... otherwise everybody should be dead?... anyway, yeah, very hard to be calm.

 

Here is MY QUESTION ~~~ How many PRO-LIFE people/families go out and adopt children?? ​

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If the only other alternative ( to pro-lifers) is have the baby and keep it,, OR have the baby and adopt it,,,,then WHO is out there adopting all these children? ​

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The way I look at it ,,is if you are pro-life and telling people to NOT abort,,then you need to be out there adopting kids that have no home! ​

There are TONS of them out there already!​

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Sort of like ,,if you breed dogs,, then you need to rescue the homeless ones as well!!​

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No dogs are NOT comparable to children I know but that is an example I thought of.​

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Just fyi ~ I am pro-choice. I will never have an abortion myself by choice but I think if other women feel like they need to for whatever reason then they should be able to make the choice. I do not agree with the women who have multiple abortions,,,,, one mistake is enough and once you make that mistake it should NEVER happen again!​

 

Amen, sister!

 

I can't really bring myself to be "anti-abortion" or "pro-life" because I don't think it is my place to make decisions for other people.

I am glad to have the ability to decide for myself that I would or would not have an abortion. I wouldn't want to take that away from anyone.

I would never want to force someone to have, or not to have an abortion. It is a very personal decision. To me the choice should ultimatly be left up to the woman and her doctor, not politicians and protesters. Although it should have it's limitations.

The best answer, in my opinion, to the abortion issue is EDUCATION. Abortion clinics should discuss other options with the mother, like adoption or assistance if she keeps the baby. Parents need to stop leaving it up to TV and teachers to teach their children about sex. Abstinence needs to be tought in conjunction with safe-sex. Kids are too scared to let parents know they are having sex, and parents are too scared to communicate with their children on this issue.

 

But what about the BABIES? that is all this about... and about the womens health after the abortion. 1) Medical textbooks and scientific reference works consistently agree that human life begins at conception. 2) You say that women should be granted reproductive rights, therefore abortion should be legal... but what about the 750,000 who DON'T get them... because they are killed... terminated by abortion. 3) Stats say that America's birth rate is under what we need it to be to maintain our population. 4) maybe you can all think about the women for just a minute... think about how when they walk into an abortion clinic , they are not INFORMED that there ARE other options. Like adoption. Planned Parenthood is not there to help the women... like i said before they are there to sell their product to the customer. I personally know a girl who had multiple abortions, almost died IN THE CLINIC and they did nothing for her. They told her to go home... and rest and she would feel better. She did... and 3 hours later she called back and said she didn't feel good and she needed help... they said to go home and she would be fine just to rest and it was all normal. couldn't stand on her legs because all the strength was drained from her... she went to the hospital... and they told her she wasn't going to make it. two days later she got up and left the hospital unable to ever concieve again due to the massive infection that was spread throughout her body because the abortion doctor left almost half of the baby's parts inside of her. She went back a few days later to tell them what had happened... and they told her to leave the abortion clinic... they didn't care about what had happened..... Think about the women too... the ones that are alive anyway.
RFL Amanda

 

Well, for one, the world is populated enough. We are already stamping out animal life just because there are so many of us we are destroying all natural habitat. What makes human beings so much more important than the environment and ecosystem we live in?

I feel bad for your friend and what she had to go through, but are you saying that all surgery should be illegal because some people die or almost die on the table? (life-saving or not). That sounds like it was a crappy clinic. But there are plenty of crappy clinics/doctors of all kinds.

I TOTALLY agree that women need to be informed of their all their options when walking into a abortion clinic. Maybe if abortion was less taboo these clinics can work in conjunction with adoption agencies and save lives that way.

 

this is just absolutely false. while america's growth rate is approaching zero growth, we are still growing at around a 1% growth rate - enough to not only maintain our population, but increase it.

do you honestly believe that no one but you has ever heard of adoption? the the entire world has turned a blind eye to adoption and believe the only way to deal with pregnancy is abortion? i think is more than just a tad unrealistic.

and besides, that's not even true. for example:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/WOMENSHEALTH/WhatifPregnant.html

planned parenthood provides birth control pills, condoms, er birth control devices, counseling - many MANY things to women, and these services are provided on a scale determined by your income (or well, this was a great deal more effective before our lovely president cut back their funding and fucked up a lot of stuff.). you can disagree with them performing abortions if you like, but to say they don't help women is ludicrous.

i'm sorry you had a friend who suffered because of a doctor mistake. but many, MANY people suffer at the hands of doctor mistakes. many people die every year because of this. should we stop performing open heart surgery because someone might die?

ok i'm done here haha i didn't mean to get into this, something about the way this topic has been stated just makes me annoyed so i wanted to say something.

 

Not anything against all you animal rights activists or anything... (i have 3 dogs and two cats and i love them very much...) But u cannot honestly think that human life is less significant than that of an animal. Can you???? And you can't tell me that killing a human being so that we dont... crowd the animals is right!
U see i just wish that abortion clinics would get ultrasound machines... it is a proven study that when women hear and see their baby for the 1st time... they understand the wonderful being that is inside them... of which them and someone else created. It is a human being... and im sorry Sera Michele but if anything thinks that killing human children... who are COMPLETLY innocent.. is ok.. then i feel bad for them. I want to help... that is all I am here to do. I didn't tell you that story for you to pitty me or my friend... she is ok now and will be ok... yet she will never have children. But this happens all the time Sera Michele. Most of the time... hospitalized patients (due to abortions) are not recorded.. because by law... they do not need to be. But it does happen. If they are addmitted into a hospital due to an abortion, the victim can then tell of what happened. And the hosptial can record it... but the abortion clinic never records that... because they don't want to make their product look bad. I wish that it was bylaw that you have to inform the women... because i know that so many women would chose life instead of killing their child.
RFL Amanda

 

Abortion clinics do show ultrasounds of the baby. Good ones do anyways.

And I think all life is equally important. I am not an animal rights activist. I am a naturalist. Humans are no more important in our ecosystem, and much more devestating than anything else.

 

Wow!!
I don't want to post the different procedures of how they are done. but it's very painful for the child. that's what gets me the absolute most, unwanted animals get a little needle and go to sleep, yet unwanted children are torn to peices or burned alive etc.... there is actually a documented tape of an abortion being done, it shows the baby trying to get away from the tools.
I do not agree with abortion, but i hate the labels pro-choice and pro-life. i think they are very political and at seperate ends of the spectrum with no place in between. I consider myself pro-information. most people do not know how they are done and after talking to a few people they realized that it didn't bother them because they didn't know anything about it. now they understand and took a second look at it.
even when women do have abortions, who are we to judge them! it was their choice and no matter what our opinion is on the subject, the choices were made and the women need to be with friends and comforted, not shuned.
i don't know the exact numbers but it's somewhere between 40-60% of all abortions are repeats. meaning that this is the second, third .... abortion for the same woman. maybe if we responded with love and compassion instead of judgment and critisism then these numbers would drop.

 

Well, if you talk to a pro-lifer they would make it sound like every abortion abortion clinic is evil, every woman regrets it, has trauma, has repeats. This is just not the case.

My closest friend had an abortion, and I went with her. The embryo was 5 weeks old. They had her meet with a psychologist to discuss her situation and her options. She DID have an ultrasound, and saw a picture, and KEPT a picture of the baby. It was just a tiny little bubble on the side of her uterus. There were no tools ever stuck in here, no burning, no baby running away from anything in her uterus. She had to take two sets of pills and aborted the baby safely at her home. She didn't need to go to the emergency room, and didn't end up sterile. There were no destroyed fetuses falling out of her. She doesn't regret it, and now, 5 years later has a 16 month old that she loves and treats like a queen...now that she is in a place that she can actually provide for the child.


IT is great to be pro-information, just make sure that you are being honest, and not throwing in pro-lifer propaganda to sway someone to your own bias. That would not be pro-information.

 

every woman that has an abortion does regret it, but each woman is different in that they may experience it right away or ten years down the road. i didn't say that every woman repeats, i said that a large amount of women going in for abortions are getting their second or third. maybe she did regret it and just hasn't said anything, or maybe she hasn't and will down the road. it may only last a day or two, but some women go through major depression and that's when we need to be there for them, to comfort them.

i am being honest, not using propaganda. not to be rude or anything, but it's kinda funny how it was an embryo when she was 'aborting' it, but then it became a baby when she kept the picture. why did she keep the picture? i am only asking cuz that doesn't make any sense to me, keep the pic but destroy the child? atleast thats how it seems and thats why im asking.

 

women go through postparum depression, is that a good reason not to give birth to children?

embryo, baby...it was all my wording. See the propaganda? You pick out some wording and focus on that (taking it out of context) rather than the entirety of what I was saying.

And she kept the picture because she is fond of it. Called it "bubbles" because all it was in the pic was a little bubble.

You have to face the facts that everyone is not going to think like you. Every person has their own take on reality. We aren't all clones of eachother thinking alike. We all have different beliefs, values, and morals. We all see life differently. We need to think for ourselves and stop trying to think for eachother.

 

did i say that? i said that it happens, and most people don't know about it, the women/girls are not informed most of the time before an abortion that this is going to happen, then they cannot be prepared to deal with it,.

i wasn't taking anything out of context or using any propaganda, i was just noticing a simple fact. you may have just taken what i said the wrong way, or maybe you twisted it, either way, you got it wrong.

this has nothing to do with abortion, and it's nothing against her, it just seems weird to me. i'm not saying its wrong or anything, just it's not something i've ever heard of and caught me off gaurd.

where did this come from?! when did i ever say anything that contradicts this?
MY whole OPINION is that abortions are wrong, they are not painless (for the child) but they are there and that is something that we have to deal with. everyone does things that they are not proud of or things that others see as wrong decisions. instead of harrasing or protesting or criticising or judging or shunning or yelling amugnst ourselves, we should be out there talking with women that have had them, women/girls that are thinking about them supporting them, educating them, comforting them, or just listening to what they have to say.

what exactly is your problem with my opinion? you don't think that love and support and education are the best things to do?

 

For a long time I was very much against abortions but 2 nights ago I watched a fascinating documentry on television which made me think about many things.

I was raised in a home where there were too many children for the income the family had and I have always resented this and though it was grossly unfair to me and my 3 brothers that we missed out some things in life simply because our parents were too stupid to realise that they could not afford to have 4 children. If I was in a situation now where I was to become pregnant, it would be GORSSLY unfair for me to have this baby and attempt to raise it when I am a uni student on a minimum income, no eomtional preperation for raising a child and no DESIRE to have a baby.
There is surely nothing worse for a child to know that they are not wanted, it causes deep emotional scars for both the child and the parents. If I fell pregnant now, your damm right I would have a termination.
Everyone in this world has the right to have an opinion and if someone thinks an abortion is a terrible thing, all right then, dont have one. But you have NO RIGHT to tell another woman that this is wrong and to do so shows that you are ignorent, uninformed, cruel person.

 

I respect your opinion on this issue, but this statement is simply untrue. You are right.....every woman is different...... only in that some do regret it, and some do not and never will.