Is voting worthless?

voting is not worthless. i know i sound naive, but the problem with voters is that people think that their vote won't be counted if they dont just go with the most popular candidate, which of course is a load of crap.

"no single raindrop believes it is to blame for the flood"

 

"The argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies, one perhaps of the Right, and the other of the Left, is a foolish idea acceptable only to doctrinaire and academic thinkers. Instead, the two parties should be almost identical, so that the American people can 'throw the rascals out' at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shifts in policy... But either party in office becomes in time corrupt, tired, unenterprising, and vigorless. Then it should be possible to replace it, every four years if necessary, by the other party, which will be none of these things but will still pursue, with new vigor, approximately the same policies".

-- Carroll Quigley, "Tragedy and Hope" (1966) p. 1247-48

Carroll Quigley was the historian for the CFR, as well as Bill Clinton's professor and mentor at Georgetown. It was Quigley who picked Clinton for the Rhodes Scholarship. His knowledge comes from working in elite circles of government for much of his career, and he makes it clear that he is not opposed to the agenda but is in fact in favor of it.



Bill Clinton was so enamoured with Quigley that he mentioned him in his 1992 acceptance speech at the Democratic National Convention:

"As a teenager, I heard John Kennedy's summons to citizenship. And then, as a student at Georgetown, I heard that call clarified by a professor I had, named Carroll Quigley, who said that America was the greatest nation in history because our people have always believed in two great ideas: That tomorrow can be better than today and that each of us has a personal, moral responsibility to make it so."

Ha. Yeah, OK.

If you're not convinced, here is a few more passages from Quigley's book:

From pg 324

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences."

The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank . . . sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world."

From pg 950

"There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an international Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, in the way the radical Right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, or any other groups, and frequently does so. I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies . . . but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known."

 

You obviously haven't been listening...

 

my opinion is just that...my opinion...im not illinformed anyway...being as im a legal graduate and all...but i guess that doesnt matter.

Make your opinions but i believe my vote counts. No need to make generalisations as you so wrongly did.

 

No, that doesn't matter with this topic.

 

You're not a law graduate, you're 16. I doubt you're even out of high school yet. If you wanna believe your vote counts, fine. But it really doesn't matter whether you believe it counts or not; it still doesn't. Do some research. What exactly makes you think your vote counts? More than likely it's just because that's what they tell you in school. How about you provide some substantial evidence that our votes count?

 

I think it depends where you live, but voting in the US is totally pointless.

 

Local elections are where we enjoy the most power because its where we can still hold people accountable for their actions. The people in power, whether its a mayor or local sheriff are often your friend or neighbor too. Can't hide.

At the federal level, our so called leaders disappear behind gated walls and security people. The only way to touch them is through a very slow legal process. They can continue to do damage in the meantime. Just like Bush.


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depends one what you're voting on and about.

personality contests between people you don't know diddly about really and most likely never will, that are hand preselected by intrests that are largely self serving and of little bennifit, when not outright detriment, to everyone, well there's still a lottery chance of picking one who might not stay bought once the take the oath, who might actaully take the oath itself seriously.

near as i can figgure, the only reason anyone calls themselves concerviative is as an excuse to get away with screwing everyone else. so i tend to take that into consideration.

i think its kind of a security blanket to have the vote though. i'm pretty sure i wouldn't want to be without it. whatever good or lack of it, voting on personality contests might do, fortunately we are occasionally allowed to vote on actual issues themselves.

that's where votes can actually mean something.

and then there's the votes you cast at the cash register, that are ALWAYS counted.

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There have been a few presidents who haven't followed orders after taking the oath. Kennedy, for one. I don't think I need to tell you what happens then.

 

When your only given the option of 2 parties that's a really limited option. But when you look at the 2 parties given and they turn out to believe in the same things (Democrats and Republicans) than your REALLY screwed !

 

"The whole thing with Carter and the hostages was done that way on purpose. Carter didn't make a very good pawn, so they got rid of him by using the Iran Contra scandal to lower his approval, therefore making it believable for him to lose the election."


Oops, Iran/Contra was a daddy B affair, but that is the least criminal of the story. Which saw death squads, funding "terrorism", and the intro of crack into the country.

 

My mistake. I meant the hostage scandal.

 

I really think that the electoral college system has taken away some power from our votes. Just like in the 2000 election, the people voted for Al Gore, and that's who the majority of the people wanted, but George W. Bush still became our president. That just kinda ruins the whole point of voting for a lot of people.

 

Attention:

Voting is not worthless in The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Under the Crown (QUeen) has a Consitutional role to make sure Democracy is performed correctly in order for the Kingdom to work correctly. If these democratic actions are not performed correctly by Parliment then the Monarch (currently Queen ELizabeth II) could issue a Minister to be expelled from Parliment. So in conclution the General Election is not usless because Monarchical Constitutional vows stop totaliterian or un-democratic performances from happning.

 

Please tell me you're not serious.

 

I love you. *lmao*

 

Yeah, I get that alot

 

Voting is not limited to national elections. Voting definatly has effects on the local government.

 

i dint really follow politics. why? because, we have no real power there. jsut face it and stop playing their game. get out.