Jesus Christ lived in India

It's difficult to be certain about alot of things. I have too many doubts to list.

Out of interest, how did you make this judgement.

 

And where did i say that ? Though I must say that it is not far from the truth , when u consider what durant, rolland, mueller,voltaire and others have to say, dude.:H

 

Spirituality is every human beings birthright, however u do have to admit that the greatest sages that the world has ever seen has been in India --- the rishis, Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira, Guru Nanak, Bodhidharma ( founder of zen buddhism ), ananda, chaitanya mahaprabhu, mira bai, guru ramdas, guru teg bahadur, guru govind singh, shirdi sai baba, meher baba, J.Krishnamurthy, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Swami Vivekananda, Swami Dayananda Saraswati,
Aurobindo, Sree Narayana Guru,Satya Sai Baba, Adi Shankaracharya, Tiruvalluvar, Ramana Maharshi, Sri Yukteshwar, Paramahamsa Yogananda, Osho, Swami Chinmayananda, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Sri Sri Ravi Shankar, Mata Amritanandamayi .........

Oh, it can.

I think the matter of who possesses common sense should be a matter of discussion, employing vaada. :smartass:

And that is why i believe it is time to bring them to their true roots.

 

We already enjoy tremondous pride and prestige all over the world for our sages like Krishna, Buddha, Ramana Maharshi, Mata Amritanandamayi, Maharishi Mahesh yogi and the others.

So I don't think we need any more boost to our self-esteem. I consider Krishna and Buddha greater than Jesus, actually.

It will.

And I see that you are still under some kind of delusion even after my reply to you in the vaada thread.

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=232006&page=2


I am one of the billion people, do u see me suffering!!! In fact, we have the potential to reach permanently the peak of human happiness and bliss, more easier and faster than the others.

India is indeed becoming a superpower again, militarily, economically, politically, and more importantly spiritually again.

The avatars too have come in India for the rejuvenation of India and the world, and I have seen them myselves.

The future is going to be fun.

 

Fine, let me have my trip,and u can have yours. Lets see who gets to the truth first.:H

 

But since the devil's bride, Reason, that pretty whore, comes in and thinks she's wise, and what she says, what she thinks, is from the Holy Spirit, who can help us, then? Not judges, not doctors, no king or emperor, because [reason] is the Devil's greatest whore.

--martin luther


Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God.
--martin luther

Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has: it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but--more frequently than not --struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.
--martin luther


Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his reason.

--martin luther



From the wikepedia
Luther is also known for his writings about the Jews, the nature and consequences of which are the subject of scholarly debate. His statements that Jews' homes should be destroyed, their synagogues burned, money confiscated, and liberty curtailed were revived and given widespread publicity by the Nazis in Germany in 1933–45. As a result of this and his revolutionary theological views, his legacy remains controversial

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther

Martin Luthers main works on the Jews were his 60,000-word treatise Von die Juden und Ihren Lügen and Vom Schem Hamphoras und das Geschlecht Christi (On the Holy Name and the Lineage of Christ) — reprinted five times within his lifetime — both written in 1543, three years before his death. He argued that the Jews were no longer the chosen people, but were "the devil's people." They were "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth." The synagogue was a "defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..." and Jews were full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine." He advocated setting synagogues on fire, destroying Jewish prayerbooks, forbidding rabbis from preaching, seizing Jews' property and money, smashing up their homes, and ensuring that these "poisonous envenomed worms" be forced into labor or expelled "for all time." He also seemed to sanction their murder, writing "We are at fault in not slaying them."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Jews_and_their_Lies

 

Why religions should claim that they are not bound to abide by the standpoint of reason, no one knows. If one does not take the standard of reason there cannot be any true judgement, even in the case of religions.One religion may ordain something very hideous.For instance, the Mohammedan religion allows Mohammedans to kill all who are not of their religion. It is clearly stated in the Koran, "Kill the infidels if they do not become Mohammedans." They must be put to fire and sword. Now if we tell a Mohammedan that this is wrong, he will naturally ask : "How do you know that ? How do you know it is not good ? My book says it is." If you say your book is older, there will come the Buddhist, and say, his book is much older still. Then will come the Hindu, and say, his books are the oldest of all. Therefore referring to books will not do. Where is the standard by which you can compare ? You will say, look at the Sermon on the Mount, and the Mohammedan will reply, look at the Ethics of the Koran. The Mohammedan will say, who is the arbiter as to which is the better of the two? Neither the New Testament nor the Koran can be the arbiter in a quarrel between them. There must be some independent authority , and that cannot be any book, but something which is universal ; and what is more universal than reason ? It has been said that reason is not strong enough; it does not always help us to get the Truth; many times it makes mistakes , and therefore the conclusion is that we must believe in the authority of a church! That was said to me by a Roman Catholic, but I could not see the logic of it. On the other hand I should say, if reason be so weak, a body of priests would be weaker, and I am not going to accept their verdict but I will abide by my reason, because with all its weakness there is some chance of my getting at truth through it; while by the other means, there is no such hope at all.

---Swami Vivekananda

 

What truth?

'The' truth...I don't really know what you're talking about. If you're thinking that some big idea is going to be 'the truth' forget it.
Certainly it is completely irrelevant to me if JC lived in India, or if he lived at all.

 

Prove it then.

 

Through my life experiences. It's really simple. When people are nice to each other and treat each other with care and respect, things are just so much better.

To the extent that the old religions have any value, it is mainly in that they embodied moral truisms - things which remain the same despite different times and cultures.
In the Bible, the main thing is Jesus saying 'love one another'. That is the only true religion in my opinion.

 

Good answer bill

I can't say I agree much with martin luther.

People had faith in animal and human sacrifice as well.

With faith you can believe anything which isn't true.

You can believe that flying planes into building will please your god.

This I agree with.

Richard Dawkins

 

I said that's what you wanted, not what you said. Re-read plz. And I was not far from the truth like you said

Oh, it can. That's not much of an answer is it Niranjan. You have produced no conclusive evidence, and your quotes are just other people's opinions based on no conclusive evidence either.

Logic should show that no such place as India exists or has ever exists. Therefore whether Jesus lived in this fairytale place or not is of no use.

Socrates

 

Thanks

 

National pride is a form of gross delusion, even mental illness.

Even ISKCON will tell you that.

As to whom you consider 'greater' - who really cares? Only those with some petty agenda or axe to grind in the name of their favourite delusion.

 

You are saying that love and compassion are all that really matter.

I believe that wisdom and discrimination too is important. I have seen a lot of fools indulging in so-called 'love ' and ' compassion ' , which is not at all true love, but merely attachments and psychological clinging and craving, and at other times sentimental nonsense. That is not at all love, but bondage and slavery.

Love must be unconditional and free from attachments, and for this , a certain amount of discrimination, strength and wisdom is required

 

Well, I believe if christians come to their true roots ( they don't have to convert or anything ), they will be able to assimilate the wisdom and teachings of dharmic culture like discrimination, non-attachment, true renunciation, mind control, non-violence in their essence. The philosophy of the hindu-buddhist traditions is much superior to that of the semitic traditions. Both logic and intuition is given their proper due in the dharmik traditions.


They will be inclined to practice stuff like yoga ( karma, raja, jnana, bhakti , tantra ),meditation , pranayama, and other stuff, which are definetely benefecial.

The study of the hindu-buddhist and the other dharmic traditions will definetely increase their cultural , intellectual and spiritual quotient.


If we can create a Jesus back then, we can do the same thing again.

 

And again where did u get the perception that I want u guys to accept such a thing, even though it is a fact to a certain extent . Don't think I ever imposed such stuff on you guys.

Go through the books in the OP, as I have suggested, and when you have gone through it, then drop the books and go to pahalgam in kashmir.

And how does India, or the dharmic name for it ,Bharat, does not exist ? Even the Buddha and the ancient statesman Chanakya, who defeated the greeks in India, used the term Bharat. And all indian languages use the term bharat as well.

True, and I believe staunchly in universality too. But there are certain energy fields in India, which no other country on earth possess. And this has come about due to the numerous sages who attained enlightenment in India throughout the milleniums.

In India, if you ,or anyone for that matter , have attained a certain degree of sensitivity and spiritual development , you will be able to progress faster in spirituality than anywhere else in the world. The vibrations of the masters are still there.

 

Mother and motherland are greater than heaven itself .

--- Rama


First patriotism, then universality.

--- Swami Vivekananda


Like everything nationalism too has its positives and negatives.Nationalism in the European countries resulted in the nation - states and imperialism .

At the same time , it is this very nationalism itself that strengthened the character and spine and self-confidence of the peoples of Asia and Africa to rebel successfully against Western imperialism.


As Swami Vivekananda himself said , "First patriotism , then universality".

This is what I emphasised by the positive side of nationalism , as opposed to its negative side.
And while I emphasise the positive side of nationalism as charecterised by respect for ones culture and people and love for it , I am definetely against the negative side , and abhor war and imperialism and hatred towards other alien culture, religions, nations , which is quite nonsensical, and which was manifested mainly in the europeans.

I too believe in universality , and am a lover of Bahaullah, Jesus, LaoTse and other masters of other nations.

Though patriotism is important, I also hold the view that universality is greater.

 

Indian influence on Greece





Noting the strong similarities between Platos philosophy and Indian philosophy, many western scholars like Will Durant have stated that there is a strong possibility that Plato must have travelled to India and studied there.

Ralph Waldo Emerson says: "Plato was synthesis of Europe and Asia, and a decidedly Oriental element pervades his philosophy, giving it a sunrise color."




Similarly with Pythagoras. Many of his geometrical theorems were a part of Indian mathematics and the shulbasutras.

It should be noted that pythagoras also believed in reincarnation, and was a vegetarian.

" It is very important to note that some 2,500 years ago at the least Pythagoras went from Samos to the Ganga (Ganges) to learn geometry...But he would certainly not have undertaken such a strange journey had the reputation of the Brahmins' science not been long established in Europe..."

--- Voltaire



Intensely interesting stories have been minutely recorded by Greek historians and others who accompanied or followed after Alexander in his expedition to India. The narratives of Arrian, Diodoros, Plutarch, and Strabo the geographer have been translated by Dr. J. W. M'Crindle to throw a shaft of light on ancient India. The most admirable feature of Alexander's unsuccessful invasion was the deep interest he displayed in Hindu philosophy and in the yogis and holy men whom he encountered from time to time and whose society he eagerly sought. Shortly after the Greek warrior had arrived in Taxila in northern India, he sent a messenger, Onesikritos, a disciple of the Hellenic school of Diogenes, to fetch an Indian teacher, Dandamis, a great sannyasi of Taxila.

"Hail to thee, O teacher of Brahmins!" Onesikritos said after seeking out Dandamis in his forest retreat. "The son of the mighty God Zeus, being Alexander who is the Sovereign Lord of all men, asks you to go to him, and if you comply, he will reward you with great gifts, but if you refuse, he will cut off your head!"

The yogi received this fairly compulsive invitation calmly, and "did not so much as lift up his head from his couch of leaves."

"I also am a son of Zeus, if Alexander be such," he commented. "I want nothing that is Alexander's, for I am content with what I have, while I see that he wanders with his men over sea and land for no advantage, and is never coming to an end of his wanderings.

"Go and tell Alexander that God the Supreme King is never the Author of insolent wrong, but is the Creator of light, of peace, of life, of water, of the body of man and of souls; He receives all men when death sets them free, being in no way subject to evil disease. He alone is the God of my homage, who abhors slaughter and instigates no wars.

"Alexander is no god, since he must taste of death," continued the sage in quiet scorn. "How can such as he be the world's master, when he has not yet seated himself on a throne of inner universal dominion? Neither as yet has he entered living into Hades, nor does he know the course of the sun through the central regions of the earth, while the nations on its boundaries have not so much as heard his name!"

After this chastisement, surely the most caustic ever sent to assault the ears of the "Lord of the World," the sage added ironically, "If Alexander's present dominions be not capacious enough for his desires, let him cross the Ganges River; there he will find a region able to sustain all his men, if the country on this side be too narrow to hold him.

"Know this, however, that what Alexander offers and the gifts he promises are things to me utterly useless; the things I prize and find of real use and worth are these leaves which are my house, these blooming plants which supply me with daily food, and the water which is my drink; while all other possessions which are amassed with anxious care are wont to prove ruinous to those who gather them, and cause only sorrow and vexation, with which every poor mortal is fully fraught. As for me, I lie upon the forest leaves, and having nothing which requires guarding, close my eyes in tranquil slumber; whereas had I anything to guard, that would banish sleep. The earth supplies me with everything, even as a mother her child with milk. I go wherever I please, and there are no cares with which I am forced to cumber myself.

"Should Alexander cut off my head, he cannot also destroy my soul. My head alone, then silent, will remain, leaving the body like a torn garment upon the earth, whence also it was taken. I then, becoming Spirit, shall ascend to my God, who enclosed us all in flesh and left us upon earth to prove whether, when here below, we shall live obedient to His ordinances and who also will require of us all, when we depart hence to His presence, an account of our life, since He is Judge of all proud wrongdoing; for the groans of the oppressed become the punishment of the oppressor.

"Let Alexander then terrify with these threats those who wish for wealth and who dread death, for against us these weapons are both alike powerless; the Brahmins neither love gold nor fear death. Go then and tell Alexander this: Dandamis has no need of aught that is yours, and therefore will not go to you, and if you want anything from Dandamis, come you to him."

With close attention Alexander received through Onesikritos the message from the yogi, and "felt a stronger desire than ever to see Dandamis who, though old and naked, was the only antagonist in whom he, the conqueror of many nations, had met more than his match."

Alexander invited to Taxila a number of Brahmin ascetics noted for their skill in answering philosophical questions with pithy wisdom. An account of the verbal skirmish is given by Plutarch; Alexander himself framed all the questions.

"Which be the more numerous, the living or the dead?"

"The living, for the dead are not."

"Which breeds the larger animals, the sea or the land?"

"The land, for the sea is only a part of land."

"Which is the cleverest of beasts?"

"That one with which man is not yet acquainted." (Man fears the unknown.)

"Which existed first, the day or the night?"

"The day was first by one day." This reply caused Alexander to betray surprise; the Brahmin added: "Impossible questions require impossible answers."

"How best may a man make himself beloved?"

"A man will be beloved if, possessed with great power, he still does not make himself feared."

"How may a man become a god?"

"By doing that which it is impossible for a man to do."

"Which is stronger, life or death?"

"Life, because it bears so many evils."

Alexander succeeded in taking out of India, as his teacher, a true yogi. This man was Swami Sphines, called "Kalanos" by the Greeks because the saint, a devotee of God in the form of Kali, greeted everyone by pronouncing Her auspicious name.

Kalanos accompanied Alexander to Persia. On a stated day, at Susa in Persia, Kalanos gave up his aged body by entering a funeral pyre in view of the whole Macedonian army. The historians record the astonishment of the soldiers who observed that the yogi had no fear of pain or death, and who never once moved from his position as he was consumed in the flames. Before leaving for his cremation, Kalanos had embraced all his close companions, but refrained from bidding farewell to Alexander, to whom the Hindu sage had merely remarked:

"I shall see you shortly in Babylon."

Alexander left Persia, and died a year later in Babylon. His Indian guru's words had been his way of saying he would be present with Alexander in life and death.

The Greek historians have left us many vivid and inspiring pictures of Indian society. Hindu law, Arrian tells us, protects the people and "ordains that no one among them shall, under any circumstances, be a slave but that, enjoying freedom themselves, they shall respect the equal right to it which all possess. For those, they thought, who have learned neither to domineer over nor cringe to others will attain the life best adapted for all vicissitudes of lot."

"The Indians," runs another text, "neither put out money at usury, nor know how to borrow. It is contrary to established usage for an Indian either to do or suffer a wrong, and therefore they neither make contracts nor require securities." Healing, we are told, was by simple and natural means. "Cures are effected rather by regulating diet than by the use of medicines. The remedies most esteemed are ointments and plasters. All others are considered to be in great measure pernicious." Engagement in war was restricted to the Kshatriyas or warrior caste. "Nor would an enemy coming upon a husbandman at his work on his land, do him any harm, for men of this class being regarded as public benefactors, are protected from all injury. The land thus remaining unravaged and producing heavy crops, supplies the inhabitants with the requisites to make life enjoyable."

 

Delusion. Don't care who said it.