Schools

Discussion in 'Protest' started by Jow, Aug 4, 2007.

  1. Jow

    Jow Member

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    Schools seem to be churning out hordes of mindless and thoughtless people, it's not a modern problem though, it's always been like that.

    What we need is compulsory philosophy classes in schools to teach people how to think for themselves and how to question the world around them.

    Without a character that naturally questions existance, the masses are doomed to live in a world of ideas and superstitions that have been forced upon them by previous generations coupled with the media's aggressive brainwashing.

    That is all really. Any thoughts?
     
  2. Freakymetalchik

    Freakymetalchik BITCH.

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    I agree. I go to a Catholic School. Most of the teachers don't let you speak your mind. If you wear a bit of jewlery with your uniform, you get a detention and have to take it off. And you have to pay two dollars on certain Fridays to come out of uniform, and even then you can only wear certain things.
    When they make us go to mass, you either say the stuff or get stared at until you do (I don't). A lot of my friends do, and I don't have a problem with their religion but they sound brainwashed when they say the stuff. I don't like hearing my friends sound like that...
     
  3. Magical Fire Lady

    Magical Fire Lady Senior Member

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    Ick I feel bad for you!!
    But responding to the first post, yeah I agree, kids should think more. They give the better teachers to upper levels and lower level classes just get busy work that they don't learn anything from. In high school I was in lower levels at first then got moved up because it was such bullshit.
    Thinking is good!
     
  4. Any Color You Like

    Any Color You Like Senior Member

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    Yeah most of the time in school should be spent on learning to think for ourselves, do some research, understanding instead of knowing, ect.

    We should be taught to teach ourselves!
     
  5. WalkerInTheWoods

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    Special classes are not needed. The ones that already exist need to be changed to inspire and promote creativity. But people who think for themself are not so easy to control, so why would they do that? I don't plan on putting my kids through the government brainwashing facilities ... I mean schools.
     
  6. spooner

    spooner is done.

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    :rolleyes:

    What exactly does school teach that is so mind numbing? Because I'm pretty sure a rudimentary knowledge of Mathematics, History, and English Literature never forced a lifestyle upon anybody. My school, at least, wasn't as pedantic as you seem to believe.

    And boohoo about having a dresscode - welcome to the real world. When you work, be prepared to have the same. Is your vision of who you are really so trivial that you have to express it through clothes?
     
  7. Nal3ncer

    Nal3ncer Banned

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    The purpose of schools is exactly that: to churn out hordes of mindless people. People who can think and reason for themselves are the greatest enemy of the state, so it makes sense that they would use all means possible to minimize it.
     
  8. Any Color You Like

    Any Color You Like Senior Member

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    It's not these knowledge that will force a lifestyle, it's the way they are learned.
    The exemple of the student who doesn't bother to learn something that won't be needed in the exams and that won't affect his grade at the end comes to my mind.
    Sure it's a bit better than no education at all, but it's worse than a curiosity driven education.
     
  9. WalkerInTheWoods

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  10. Jow

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    Your post is funny. You think you are making an intelligent point, yet you're failing miserably and making yourself look
    pretty dumb in the process.

    Firstly, you didn't understand my post. Secondly, you don't understand what philosophy is.


    Um, you really should avoid making such strong statements about a subject you really don't understand.
    No philosophy is not "nothing more than a series of thoughts on how you should think", in fact, it's exactly the opposite.
    I don't mean that in order to understand the nature of the universe we have to study one philosophers opininons and then accept it as the ultimate truth and never look further, that's ridiculous, and I'm not sure why you jumped suddenly to such a ridiculous conclusion.
    Philosophy is not about right or wrong answers, its about understanding the questions.
    For example, many people believe in the human soul without even understanding the implications or logical problems involved.
    Once you understand these implications and logical problems, you are in a much better position to come to a more accurate conclusion on the matter, and having some thoughts to back your beliefs up makes you a much deeper and more interesting person.
    Philosophy is about personal thought and coming to your own conclusions, but most people are not capable of this because they are so wired in to the reality that the media and society creates that they can't see beyond their own noses.

    Again, you don't understand.
    I love talking to people with opinions that differ from my own, I don't want people to think in any particular way, just as long as they think.

    Yes people are happy with their lives, what's your point? I'm fairly sure you don't even know yourself.





     
  11. Tamerlane

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    Schools are like factories, you know? They produce students with average or below average(sadly, from what I've seen while living in America and from seeing stuff on sites like MySpace now, this seems to be more prevalent) knowledge, and conditioning that emphasises that the establishment is good, the establishment is well, and you can't really do anything about it because we're right and you're wrong. Of course, there are people who rebel against it - but most are those angsty skool suks teens. There are also, so to speak, diamonds in that mass of coal, and they are the ones who will be controlling the nation.
    For example, at my school - I'm proud that our school counts as a good school, with above average grades for students, etc., but our director - well, he is one big dickhead. Anything you don't agree with, he pretty much says shove it, I'm right, don't argue. Of course, almost everyone resents that, but as the kids face this attitude more and more, they begin to believe, if only subconciously, that this is the right attitude - that this attitude is what gets people their way and that they should emulate it. Noone is safe from it - I often catch myself telling my sister not to argue with me because I'm older and I know better. The fact that I am usually right about what I say :p does not change the fact.
     
  12. HipBaby203

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    The current education system does have a lot of flaws, but I feel that in many cases, it depends on if the individual wants to succeed. However, it becomes even more complicated when we add in all the social problems that the world has. What happens if a child's family does not value education, if there are no head start programs, or if the person has mental disabilities? Also, many teachers try their best. I have been blessed with wonderful teachers throughout my life. I wish I could say the same for other people.


    :)
     
  13. Unmotivated

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    School was brought into America because the kids were running wild with 8 extra hours a day to do whatever and most joined gangs and caused trouble for the man. So the goverment thought this clever way to keep the kids down while making the parents believe their kids can overcome all obsticles, hence public school (they suck).
    Alot of people dont work in the system, yet they thrive in the world. Why do you think that is? Its because the public education in U.S is shit and alot of teachers dont even care, and thats what the goverment wants.
     
  14. jneil

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    It should be the parents job to teach their kids to think and use reasoning skills. Unfortunatly most parents are idiots too.
     
  15. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Well said Spooner. Public education is the finest institutition provided to our people. The problem is our voters have allowed this institution to be infringed on for political reasons. Bushy with his faith based agenda and no child left behind, and what has happened in the south after Katrina. Any of you familiar with that?

    I just found out this weekend watching Katrina anniversay specials that our government used this catastrophy to close schools and fire union qualified teachers in order to turn the education of the area over to privatized schools with questionable certification and teachers that don't have to meet federal requirements. They receive state and federal funds and have the ability to deny students access based on private enrollment criteria. Progress I think not. New Orleans fired all union educators. Were they all substandard? Think about it.

    You learn basic skills in school. And you can learn to think for your self and reason. What you wear and when you wear it is not as important as having the opportunity to learn.

    Most illegals that come to the US cite education for their children as one of their highest priorities for coming here. Mexico doesn't provide free public education. I learned that when I worked for a non-profit that served that community, and had to do bi-annual community needs assessments. 85% of them cited education for their children as a reason for coming and staying here.

    Bush's no child left behind program has made one of his brothers very rich, but it hasn't done much to enrich the education of children in the US.

    http://www.pamspaulding.com/weblog/2005/01/no-child-left-behind-bush-family.html

    Any surprise that the SPP that promotes a North American Union profits Rumsfield.

    http://mostlywater.org/node/3485

    Rumsfields payoff. Each of his administration's big players have been paid off, more than the us population will ever know.

    Wolfowitz made his way and his girlfriend made out with the world bank.

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070414/news_1n14wolf.html

    Ashcroft, well he hasn't been left high or dry either.

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Ashcroft_Group
     
  16. Any Color You Like

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    I agree. But maybe it's because they were never though that in school... so how can they theach reasoning skills to there kids? It's a vicious circle, it's gotta end somewhere....

    There's a question we should ask ourselves.

    Why does the majority of the hight school students dislike school?
     
  17. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Man knows how to reason naturally. In the home ethics and good vs bad is what should be instilled. Also the importance of the individual. Turn off the reality shows and teach your children that everyone has worth.
     
  18. Any Color You Like

    Any Color You Like Senior Member

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    Yes definatly needs to be less TV more thinking.

    Does man know how to reason naturally? For sure, but the level of curiosity and awarness can be increased or lowered depending on culture and education.
     
  19. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    But the basis of that reasoning does ultimately fall on the home and the family. You can blame the marketer for targeting a market. But you can in your home teach your children to question motive. Culture is not the same thing as media hype. That's the trap we are falling under.

    Education teaches skills. the home and family teach ethics and morals. And that right should never be undermined.

    Don't allow your governments to set standards for ethics and morals, these are personal issues. Things that families and individuals have to set for themselves, not be made to feel insecure about because they don't conform to a governmental, or societal norm. Without individual free will there is no freedom. Christianity in it's basics believes in free will.

    It's only when we allow others to tell us what's right and wrong, that we allow them to control us.
     
  20. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Don't let government bring church into the schools. My religion is personal to myself, what I want the schools to teach are basic skills.

    If you want to pay to send your kids to Catholic or a protestant school, that's your priveledge.

    But public school is just that. And education that is payed for by taxpayers of many faiths, to promote one over another is just wrong.

    Want your kids to pray...pray before they get on the bus. Let them learn Algebra in a neutral setting.
     

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