If Christianity is False

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  1. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    that's actually pretty interesting if it's true. i've never heard of them, but that certainly doesn't mean they don't exist
     
  2. NatureBoy93

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    Crazy people, so desperate to not be wrong they lose their minds untill a priest evokes it in the name of Jesus.
     
  3. A593

    A593 Member

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    Wow... Thank you for the site... and your reccomendations.
    I remember about 6 months ago in computer class(Private Christian School) Me and a freidn stumbled upon a list of, "5,000 contradictions in the Bible". I remember going through a few and having to convince myself that the bible was right and I had to bend the words nicely, or just blamed them for bending the words. I thoguht of how ignorant whatever person who wrote that was.

    I'm SO glad I have realised what I have. But I have no idea if I should express this with all my friends or not... Because if the school finds out there a kid converting others away from Christianity... I'll be in quite a bit of trouble... I already have two friends that agree with me though. And as I argued with one really "Godly" girl, she COULD NOT for the life of herself, prove herself right. And all I did was prove to her that the Bible IS fake.
    I felt bad at the end for "corrupting" sucha nice girl... but in all honesty, I think she should be thanking me, for atleast making her reconsider her faith and beliefs.

    Thanks Sensei
     
  4. Splosh

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    Please dont think you are corrupting people.
    People have brains to make decisions for themselves, christian schools/forced religious activity only tries to take away that part of humanity.
    Without it we'd be pretty fucked.
    Its up to you to make your own choices but for me. The bibles bullshit xD
     
  5. Sensei

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    don't tell people your beliefs. just spread subversive messages through the school in a grand operation mindfuck. such as writing biblical contradicting verses next to each other on the bathroom stall, setting www.evilbible.com as the homepage on all school computers, leaving pamphlets pointing out flaws of christianity laying around, buddhist graffiti...
     
  6. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    I would imagine the Old Testament to be quite
    confused and the historical content to be
    changed for MANY many reasons.
    Some strange things remain about it's authenticity,
    however, of course the physical description of
    the locations of certain events are completley
    solid facts, and the similarity between the old
    book and the Quar'an are pretty astounding,
    especially when you take into consideration that
    the revelations apparently received by the Prophet
    came to Him in a country that had no connections
    to the outside world (at the time), nor was the
    Prophet educated on scripture. In fact, He never
    read any of the book. Though what He says actually
    happens to the Jews is similar, still there are differances.
    For example, in the Bible's Old Testament, there is a
    part about Moses coming down to his people, and on
    that day so many (cant remember the number) of the
    people were ordered, by God, to be killed. When you
    read the Quar'an version of the story, the very same
    story goes down, however, the same people were ordered,
    by Allah, to kill their passions. Strange...

    But as far as the New Testament goes?
    Anybody who tells you that the teaching of Christ are
    bullshit has either never really attempted to study the
    esoteric meaning behind them, or rather that they may
    have tried, but failed.
    Some people turn away from even reading the New
    Testament because of the effect that it's misinterpretation
    has had on the millions of so called "Christians" of this
    world. And some just dont care.
    And it doesnt really matter, but I would never allow myself
    to be told that the messages of Christ are bullshit, nor that
    they are entirley true.
    You need to read between the lines of what is written, and
    know for yourself.
    First, realize that the teachings have been translated into
    many different languages before what is in front of you today.
    Jesus spoke in Arabic, and some of the writings are originally
    in Greek.
    Then, realize that the teachings have been changed in order
    to conform with political definitions of "divinity", such as the
    idea that Jesus was the one and only "son of God" sent to
    save us from our sins.
    The rest is up to you, but a lot of the true meaning behind
    Christ's teachings is most definitley paralell to that of the
    ancient Hindu rishis, and this is not something to be so easily
    cast aside as bullshit.
    Look a little deeper, for yourself, unbiased and free, and see
    if the message resonates within you.
    Basically, the heart of the matter is that you, yourself, are God,
    "The temple is within you" etc. and that love permeates all of
    the matter in the universe, if only you can learn how to see it.
    "You've got to get in to get out..."
    And the only way you can find out for yourself is salat, prayer,
    meditation, yoga, etc.
    Give it a shot :)
     
  7. smokindude

    smokindude Senior Member

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    Agreed 100% ^^
     
  8. asilos vulnerado

    asilos vulnerado Senior Member

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    Well said john:)
    As my input to everyone else, something that helped me out was relating jesus's teachings to basically the same things, except put in a way that I already understood
    Reading Be Here Now sort of opened me up to this, as Ram Dass makes references to Christianity throughout From Bindu to Ojas
    So really, just don't write off the teachings of Jesus because of the corruption of the Bible
     
  9. A593

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    That's exactly why I started to doubt and turn away from Christianity... I didn't like being told that I needed to read between the lines to understand the words of the Lord... I don't think God would have made it so difficult, if he actually wanted people to follow him.
    And then I'd been told countless times that there are no mistakes, and everything is in the Bible for a reason, and then I'll go to church the next week, only to have a preacher break down each word of the verse, and twist it into such a huge deal.... when it isn't.


    As for Sensei's idea about the "Secret Mindfuck" ... I'm sure the few people who know about me, would be more than delighted to turn me in, for the simple fact tat you are greatly awarded in my school for something like living above the standards, and not being afraid to "tell on kids". And honestly... I'd still feel quite a bit of guilt at this point... because I STILL can't make the official swap from Christianity to... something else.


    I wouldn't ever go as far as saying Jesus' teachings were "bullshit" .. I mean, it's pretty obvious, that if you live by his teachings, you're gonna be a pretty obediant and respectful person.
     
  10. asilos vulnerado

    asilos vulnerado Senior Member

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    The reason that you would need to read between the lines is because the bible has been endlessly corrupted by those in power. Christianity became, and still partially is, more politial than religious. The original teachings of Jesus can show one path to liberation. I would also recommend along with whomever already did that you read Be Here Now.
    And I wouldn't say living by his teachings would leave you an obedient respectful person. I find some of his teachings to be similar to Bhakti Yoga
    "Love thy neighbor as thy self" - Its a path of Love
    Lets not forget that he was crucified, for what I think are the same reasons he would be hated by the government today

    Im actually interested in what catholic schools teach
    I don't really understand
    It seems like the idea of liberation/enlightenment has been entirely forgotten in modern Christianity
     
  11. Sensei

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    I should note that I distinguish between those that follow Jesus's teachings and what christianity has become. the bible has meaning, but has been twisted and such. I especially appreciate kabbalah and gnostic teachings that rise from the bible.

    I 'insult' christianity because it is what surrounds and oppresses me, not because I have a problem with Jesus or christians. I have the same problem with fundamentalist materialist atheists as I do fundamentalist protestants.
     
  12. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    After that book John, you should try The Second Coming
    of the Christ by Paramahansa Yogananda.
    It's like $60.00, and it's 2 full volumes in a set, total
    near 1500 or 1600 pages.
    But it's amazing. Pretty heavy, and definitley not for
    someone who is unfamiliar with Hindu and Buddhist texts
    because it's a comparison to the similarities of them all
    (mostly between St. John & the Bhagavad Gita).
    But in all honesty, I would reccommend that book to
    someone who is interested in God, at all, over any other
    book.
     
  13. darkain

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    For FUCK SAKES people. Zeitgeist is a movie FULL of theorys and FULL of speculation. Very little of it is fact. I find it VERY alarming that people watch this doc, and take it all in as fact, when the truth is, anyone who looks into it can find most stuff is just theory, an iterpritation of ancent writings, and some stuff I'm convinced was just plain made up as I can't find it anywhere.

    The fact that you're loosing your faith over this concerns me. I'm glad that you question things, thats healthy, but that fact that you believe I bias movie without researching for yourself is not good. You followed the bible blindly all your life, now you have blind faith that Zeigeist is true...... sorry if thats hard to understand, my brain is racing right now.
     
  14. lifelovefun

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    People who are possessed are acting out what they believe to be "evil demons" because all the tensions that religion builds up in someone's mind and body don't exactly feel great. And when all you learn is that there's good things and bad things, than you try to classify these tensions as evil because they feel bad, therefore it must be the devil !

    That's another reason why christians are totally anti-drug, because drugs calm the body and open the mind. If that were to happen to all of them, than they'd burn down their churchs :)
     
  15. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    A lot more Christians consider the devil to be
    simply a representation of the manifestation
    of our impulsive acting upon selfish, harmful
    desires, rather than a demon in a sub level
    of hell, than you are giving credit for, lifelovefun.

    And can people not see that our thoughts are
    not products of our own ego? Our own delusional
    self?
    Ever say or hear someone say "the thought dawned
    on me..." or "the idea suddenly came to me..." before?
    Universal Conciousness, that we are an outward
    pale reflection of physically, is the universal mind
    that all of our individual awarenesses of "self" come from.
    Of course, this is subjective to personal opinions, and
    I am simply stating mine.
    But, this is where the idea of evil comes from.
    When we see that tv and radio, products of human
    invention, are enhanced (though entirely singular in
    localized process) relfections of how are own minds
    have the potential to be (vibrations of sound and sight
    code signals recepted and arranged in order to produce
    a stimuli), we also see that all of nature is a reflection
    something greater (and closer to home, actually).
    Nothing is new, nor created, as it is not us who are
    responsible for these productions. The idea is already
    there, it just takes an advanced mind of hightened levels
    of frequency attuned receptability to have them "dawn
    upon" him/her.
    So in the same sense, evil is that which compels us
    to act selfishly against our own will, directed by our impulses
    existing in a dualistic false nature where we perceive our
    human bodies and mental ego's to be seperate from the
    collective conciousness. -
     
  16. darkain

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    You;ve obviously never heard an exercism before. Its the most brutal sounding EVIL sounding thing you'd ever experience in your life. I'm not Christian, but I KNOW this still isn't in their mind or tensions, thats fucking retarded. It does not sound human. I would know, a girl in my apartment building was possesed, and during the exercism you could hear the most fucked up moans comming from the hall, truely terrifying. She was never cured, and was admited into a mental hospital where she died. The girl was 13 years old and she sounded like 10 men screaming in pain at the same time.

    Edit: I have a question directly at you. Why do you believe tree's have spirits and bullshit like that, but you can't except any kind of spirit or religion? Seems stupid to me, if you're going to be open minded, be openminded about everything.
     
  17. Gdeadhead420

    Gdeadhead420 DivineMomentsofTruth

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    i myself am a pastafarian. only true religion.
     
  18. darkain

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    I find the whole Idea of pastafarian pathetic. All it does is poke fun at other people.
     
  19. asilos vulnerado

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    Terrence Mckenna had pretty much the same idea. Basically everything bears an imprint, or download of what created it. The example he used was that a sand dune looks like wind because it was made by wind
    But then that left me with a question. I had always taken the viewpoint that everything was a part of god persay, but then I had the idea that nature is the energy, and yet is created by the energy. Looking at nature are you looking at but an imprint of god or god? I personally believe the latter, but I guess that could change, Im far from certain
     
  20. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Well John I agree with the latter as well, in
    the sense that we ( the physical manifested
    universe ) are all in a sense a dream that
    is emanating from God. And this is what the
    reflection, is.
    But we are physically God, only we are not
    eternal and we are constantly and rapidly
    changing with time, age, etc. and time and age
    are not applicable to God.
    Like how the Buddha said, that everything
    that we are is poured out from our thoughts.
    The universe is like a wave on the ocean of
    God's sea of essence, with God's love through
    self-sustaining life energy permeating the
    entire scence.
    When you break down things into chemicals,
    and molecules, and atomic structures, and single
    atoms, and sub-atomic particles, and energy,
    behind all of that would be like going in and coming
    out on the other side into an ever existing, infinite
    God essence. The scene on the other side of life,
    if you will lol.
    I dont know if that makes sense, as it's pretty much
    rendered impossible to grasp with the intellect.
    Intuition can lead you there during meditation, but
    the experience itself is so foreign to the physical
    and mental planes, I believe even the astral plane is
    most definitley limited when it comes to the position
    of grasping the infinite. If it werent, then we wouldnt
    be floating around there waiting for our next incarnation
    between death's and births, would we? :tongue:
    When we use yoga to send prana back up through the
    spine passing through all of the chakras, and the kundalini
    awakens into our mind, we wake up as God, the joining
    of the Divine Mother and Shiva, unity, perfection, God
    conciousness, non-duality, sat chit ananda, moksha,
    liberation, enlightenment.
    Beyond Nirvana and the Buddhic (intelligent) planes, Oneness
    with God is going in, in order to go out.
    See you on the flip side? haha :&
     

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