New to Jazz...

Discussion in 'Jazz' started by PlaceboAddikt, Jul 6, 2007.

  1. PlaceboAddikt

    PlaceboAddikt Paranoia!

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    Hello there.
    I've always been a fan of many different genres... my top four favorite bands would probably be Placebo, Nine Inch Nails, Pink Floyd, and The Dead, haha. So I'd really like to get into some jazz. I've always been a bit put off by jazz because (no offense, i mean no offense) i thought it sounded boring. Then I read On The Road by Jack Kerouac and in this book he's really describing the soul of jazz music. And I love that. The way it sounds all wild and free. Oh sweet Jesus, i am babbling and drunk.

    Okay, so all i really want to know is, what are some really crazy, wild, jazz musicians?
     
  2. Curtis Loew

    Curtis Loew Member

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    Start with Miles Davis and Billie Holiday. But first IMO to enjoy and understand Jazz you must start w/ the Blues. Old blues!
     
  3. PlaceboAddikt

    PlaceboAddikt Paranoia!

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    Blues sounds good. I like the sound of it. I mean, i've never really listened to it, but when i think blues, and i get that stereotypical blues sound, i like it. haha. and thank you, darling.
     
  4. Curtis Loew

    Curtis Loew Member

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    Anytime. Music is really a big part of my doings. Pls let me know if I can help.
     
  5. GratefulFloyd

    GratefulFloyd Nowhere to fly to

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    I'm fairly new to jazz, too, but some albums that I've given a lot of listening that are absolutely brilliant are A Love Supreme and My Favorite Things byJohn Coltrane, very good introductions to jazz. For Miles Davis, pick up Kind of Blue and Birth of the Cool.

    The Dead were heavily influenced by both Coltrane and Miles, and if you enjoy their Space jams or lengthy Dark Star sequences you should really get In a Silent Way and Bitches Brew by Miles Davis, the intro to Silent Way will remind you immediately of the Dead. Be warned though, this was the era when Miles began to get very heavy into LSD, and it is pure abstract brilliance but probably the strangest thing you'll ever hear. Sketches of Spain by Miles is a bit more conventional but still acid-laden. His album Live-Evil incredible in the same sense as those albums, but with magic of a live performance. Thelonious Monk Quartet with John Coltrane at Carnegie Hall is another brilliant live album.

    Also, if you're already into rock, try jazz fusion like Billy Cobham's Spectrum. Its a "fusion" of rock and jazz, heavy use of electric instruments in a rock fashion but written in non-traditional, jazzy ways, its easy to enjoy for mostly anyone.

    Jazz musicians have an overwhelming amount of music out, just pick one of the above albums and see what you think, and then move on to another when you're done.
     
  6. Curtis Loew

    Curtis Loew Member

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    Thelonious Monk with Coltrane is simply outstanding
    Another is Joe Pass with Oscar Peterson.

    Bitches Brew is great. But Miles's drug of choice was smack.
     
  7. GratefulFloyd

    GratefulFloyd Nowhere to fly to

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    I'm sure he's done plenty of drugs.. but he did use LSD, and it influenced his work. Its very noticeable in the drastic change from his more mellow jazz to the work he did which was just pure musical insanity. I'd be very surprised if heroin influenced him for Bitches Brew...

    EDIT-Yeah, I just looked on Wikipedia very quickly, his heroin addiction came about in the early 50's during his "cool jazz" era, and he overcame it nearly a decade before the acid jazz stage.
     
  8. joo kyle

    joo kyle thisandthat

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    charlie parker
    dizzy gillespie
    Thelenouis monk
    miles davis
    elvin jones
    Ceicl taylor
    Louis Armstrong
    duke ellington
    billie holiday
    countbaise
    stan kenton
    rashaan roland kirk
     
  9. Copper Scroll

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    I like various types of jazz, but my favorite by far is 60s-style post-bop.

    Here's my favorite 21 jazz studio albums (at this moment in time)--excluding compilations and box sets:

    1. John Coltrane - A Love Supreme

    Transcendent. A pure expression of love and devotion.



    2. Miles Davis - Miles Smiles
    Just perfect. The level of musicianship, synergy, and power here is just untouchable.



    3. Miles Davis - Kind Of Blue
    Fine and mellow from beginning to end. Some of the most beautifully melodic jazz solos ever all on one album.



    4. Eric Dolphy - Out To Lunch
    Odd, but compelling. Obviously not everyone’s cup of tea, but I think this is one of the boldest and strongest statements ever made in jazz.



    5. Andrew Hill - Point Of Departure
    A stellar line-up playing some of the best tunes by (imho) jazz’s greatest composer, Andrew Hill.



    6. Miles Davis - ESP
    Not quite on the same level as Mile Smiles, but this has much of its spirit and power.



    7. Dave Holland - Conference Of The Birds
    One of the freshest and most original approaches to the avant garde. Strong tunes and even stronger performances.



    8. Chick Corea - Now He Sings, Now He Sobs
    The most dynamic and exciting piano trio album I’ve heard.



    9. Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
    Like a jungle of sound filled with exotic creatures and wild colors. Many question whether this is jazz at all, but that question misses the point. This shit throbs with life.



    10. Miles Davis - In A Silent Way
    Like a lighter and airier Bitches Brew. Ambient.



    11. Andrew Hill - Judgment!
    Hard to find words to describe this one: Intimate. Soulful. Deep. Percussive. Sweet. The perfect blend of sturdy melodies and odd rhythms.



    12. John Coltrane - Giant Steps
    Ferocious. Bop taken to its natural conclusion.



    13. Herbie Hancock - Head Hunters
    14. Herbie Hancock - Thrust

    15. Charles Mingus - Charles Mingus Presents Charles Mingus

    16. Booker Little - Out Front

    17. John Coltrane - My Favorite Things

    18. Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage

    19. Charles Mingus - Mingus Ah Um

    20. Max Roach - We Insist!

    21. Bobby Hutcherson - Dialogue



    My favorite 7 jazz live sets:

    1. John Coltrane - Birdland, 1963
    2. John Coltrane w/ Eric Dolphy - Village Vanguard, 1961 (not to be confused with the 1966 joint)
    3. Bill Evans - Village Vanguard, 1961 (as found on Sunday at the Village Vanguard and Waltz for Debby)
    4. Miles Davis - Cellar Door, 1970 (as found on Live Evil and Cellar Door Sessions)
    5. Miles Davis - Plugged Nickel, 1965
    6. Charles Mingus - Town Hall, 1964 (not to be confused with the 1962 joint)
    7. Eric Dolphy & Booker Little - Five Spot, 1961

    My favorite 3 jazz albums of the past decade or so:

    1. Andrew Hill - Dusk
    2. Dave Holland - Extended Play
    3. Charles Lloyd - Jumping the Creek


    My favorite 3 jazz albums of the past couple of years:

    1. Charles Lloyd - Sangam
    Very unconventional band config: tenor sax (mostly), drums, and tabla (Indian hand-drum)! Really exciting stuff recorded live.

    2. Andrew Hill - Time Lines
    3. Fred Anderson & Hamid Drake - From the River to the Ocean
     
  10. Copper Scroll

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    Miles kicked his heroin addiction in the 50s. After that, his main problem was cocaine.
     
  11. Copper Scroll

    Copper Scroll Member

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    Bitches Brew isn't really "acid jazz". "Acid jazz" is a sorta dance music that grew out of soul jazz.
     
  12. joo kyle

    joo kyle thisandthat

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    I hate it when people just talk about fusion and more avant garde type jazz. Like anything before it just sucks out loud and only miles davis and coltrane have the right to be mentioned. I don't even get why everyone digs coltrane, he bores the hell out of me.
     
  13. RoundMidnight

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    Old
    Any Art Tatum

    Straight Ahead (Bop/Cool)
    Hank Mobley - Soul Station
    Miles Davis - Kind of Blue
    Sonny Rollins - Sonny Side Up
    Sonny Rollins - Way Out West
    John Coltrane - Blue Train
    Lee Morgan - The Sidewinder
    Clifford Brown - The Beginning And The End
    Freddie Hubbard - Hub Tones
    Bill Evans - Sunday At the Village Vanguard
    Wes Montgomery - Smokin' At The Halfnote

    Oscar Peterson - The Trio

    Avant-Garde (Older)
    John Coltrane - A Love Supreme
    McCoy Tyner - The Real McCoy
    Chick Corea - Now He Sings Now He Sobs
    Miles Davis - Miles Smiles

    Wayne Shorter - Juju
    Wayne Shorter - Speak No Evil
    Joe Henderson - In 'N Out
    Herbie Hancock - Maiden Voyage

    Fusion
    Miles Davis - Bitches Brew
    Miles Davis - In A Silent Way
    Herbie Hancock - Thrust
    Chick Corea - Light as a Feather
    Freddie Hubbard - Straight Life

    The Brecker Brothers - Heavy Metal Bebop

    Modern Jazz
    Brad Mehldau - Places
    Keith Jarrett - Live at the Blue Note
    Chris Potter - Gratitude
    Joe Lovano - Quarters-Live at the Village Vanguard

    Michael Brecker - Michael Brecker
    Branford Marsalis - Trio Jeepy
    John Scofield - Enroute
    Kenny Kirkland & Kenny Garrett - Songbook
    Wynton Marsalis - Standard Time Vol. 1
    Kurt Rosenwinkel - The Next Step
    Pat Metheny - Bright Size Life
     
  14. Hippie_Jon

    Hippie_Jon Noj

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    I am somewhat new to Jazz too but one of my current favorite albums is Charles Mingus' Mingus Three. This album makes me want to be a jazz pianist. it is such a beautiful album.

    One of my favorite things about jazz is the drumming. it is so cool. so interesting compared to straight rock drumming.
    I don't really like jazz guitar as much. i don't know what it is but i just don't like it as much as other instruments in jazz. i love me some jazz piano, trumpet, drums (like i said), and sax ( and i don't mean the smooth sax kind of jazz)

    JOn
     
  15. jazzguitar205

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    I recommend that you read Miles Davis' auto-biography.
     
  16. Copper Scroll

    Copper Scroll Member

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    Eric Dolphy (Out To Lunch)
    Circle (Paris Concert)
    Sun Ra (Atlantis)
    Ornette Coleman (Free Jazz)
    Miles Davis (Live at Fillmore)
    David Murray (Ming)
    Sam Rivers (Waves)
    John Coltrane (Sun Ship)

    ...and it's too much for me, but...
    Peter Brotzmann (Machine Gun)
    Art Ensemble of Chicago
     
  17. Zen Stapler

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    Check out some Jimmy Smith. He was a jazz organist who played a lot with Wes Montgomery (who you should also check out). Also, you should look up Charlie Parker's Yardbird suite and his version of A night in tunisia. Check out some Cannonball Adderly too; his song Mercy mercy mercy makes me wet my pants.
     
  18. GregTheMagician

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    a really crazy one is "meditations" by John Coltrane. that record is amazing
     
  19. skamikaze

    skamikaze Coffee Addict

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    miles davis -birth of the cool

    straight amazing album

    mingus with coltrane at carnegie hall in 71 or 73 i think is great. its a mindblowing album. i'll have to go through my dads jazz collection its huge.
     
  20. D_MAN

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    for crazy drumming look no further than art blakey.

    For absolutely insane john coltrane is the way to go. The album Meditations will change your definition of music.
     

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