pregnancy age?

Aaaah, someone make him stop. It's like fingernails on a chalkboard.

 

Why do you consider it important that human reproduction continues? If this evolutionary period would come to a stop, why would that be so bad, and why is the continuation of this process so vital and the need to maintain it so important - for what purpose?

 

you couldnt make me be quiet and i wont, your views are disgusting and unwanted here... GO AWAY this is not a debating board.

 

Chill out.

And I was under the impression that this was a discusion board. So lets discuss, if you can calm down long enough to write something which is not borne of your cocksure insularity, that is.

 

Kiss my ass
yes this is a discussion board... for people discussing their childern. NOT an open debate for why you think they shouldn't exist.

 

The power and hold you have over your two victims has gone to your head.

 

I repeat... kiss my ass

 

Seems to me that was what the discussion was about, and knowing Fleassy, (a little) I believe the intent of the question is the straightforward request for information. There is a very interesting debate about why humans reproduce\procreate, and for that matter why we should consider ourselves better than any other animal that is driven by its biological urges - but Idealogue, that isn't going to happen here. Many of the individuals drawn to this thread can't\won't discuss the issues you pose - I would suggest creating your own thread with a title that will draw in the individuals with strong views about your current intellectual stance on these issues. I may even join you there if I can get two brain cells to rub together.

And for the record, Moominmamma was 21 and I was 22 when our first child was born. She was 36 when our last, (so far) arrived. I tried sex once and was so frightened it took me 15 years before I was brave enough to have another go - LOL.

Accident or planned - lets just say that all our children were conceived in love!

 

Well... as you know, conversation always has a way of moving from one topic to the next. I don't see how Ideologue's comments are out of place. I can't say that I agree with him, because I don't have kids. But maybe one of you with kids would be able to enlighten him as to why it is that you wanted to have kids.

 

Discussion's do indeed wander, and sometimes they become inclusive and sometimes they become exclusive. I'm intrigued that my post so motivated you that that you felt the need to make this your very first post. In my opinion, this thread was in danger of becoming exclusive, to the detriment of both strands of the discussion, the factual request from Fleassy and the philosophical quest from Idealogue. It is only my opinion - most of the people posting here already have children and we can't undo that. The circumstances in which the children were conceived is a matter of historical fact, not philosophical debate. There's room on the forum for every shade of opinion, and I'm sure if the issues were posted as a separate thread, they would receive a lot of response. In this thread, however, I would say , and it is only my opinion, that this comes dangerously close to flaming - like going into the gay forum and advocating the death penalty for homsexuality or the needless persecution that the Christanity & Vegetarian\Vegan Forums appear to be subject too.

In my experience too many threads get killed like this, and it seems to be a major factor in why people leave the forums. Some individuals come on here to relax\chill-out, swop experiences and maybe take a break from the pressures of real-life - like being a parent - and they get thorughly hacked off
when individuals can't tell the difference between a simple, harmless little thread like this and one say titled "All Parents are Murderers - Discuss".

PS If it had'nt been your first post, I wouldn't have bothered to reply - I'm really not that bothered!

 

Well, I think Ideologue was first, asking what is was that inspires people to have children. And secondly, he was stating his views on the issue. His views just seemed to be philosophical.

I was planning on joining the forum, and i just got bored enough to do so... so here I am.

 

alright ideologue, let's discuss

i do respect what you're saying, i agree humans have slaughtered a crapload of stuff on our mother, not only do we have no respect for her or her children, but we continue to kill her. however, that said, i do believe she has power over herself and over us, and she would not let us have the last laugh- our time will end when she and the universe decide it's time for us to leave. i feel that having a child is the most natural thing you can do- the universe is putting a soul onto this planet, into a human body, other souls are going into monkey bodies and cow bodies, and bodies on other planets. this soul could be the one who brings us to realize what we're doing and help us reverse it, or he can be the one who makes our mother decide it's our time to go..

 

It would seem that humans are merely organic machines. Humans are just electro-chemical-biological, [virtually] autonomous robots. The soul theory is an interesting one, but it is not one which is supported by logic or material evidence. It is just a belief. I personally base my actions on a rationale founded on logic and ratiocination, not unsubstantiated beliefs. With saying that, I am a pyrrhonist and I do acknowledge that in this ocean of ultimate ignorance, every theory is equally valid. But this is too vital a subject to ignore that which is obvious to the logic-based mind of reason. Lives are at stake here.

 

Uh...what? How many people do you know who had a "special love" before they had sex and made a baby? Many, many babies who I know of were accidental, or conceived out of revenge, or naivete, or ignorance.

Families who live in my neighborhood have babies because a) it's what their families have always done, and b) in some cultures, children are thought of as a work unit, a form of security. That doesn't equate to a "special love", it equates to slavery.

Jen

 

It may sound strange but I knew that I would have Micheal at 25. I know how and you see I had allwase had dreams of him and me I was not shure of the situation surounding our life. His birth was explosive and the world just stoped for me when I saw him head full of heir big black eyes staring right back at me all was quiet he never cried and we kept our eyes on each other forever. The rest of my life around me was falling apart and he soon developed colic. If you dont know what it is than I hope you never do.

 

I got pregnant with the first baby when I was 23. I had two more, then an other when I was 38. I have four between the ages of 18 and 4.

NONE of us owe you any explainations as to why we are parents. This is a PARENTING board. Take your issues somewhere else. We are here to discuss PARENTING, not have to constantly defend it. Go elsewhere.

 

My, you do seem to be such a pleasant person. I ask a simple question, and you are up in arms.

No. You do not owe me any explanation, but why not be so nice as to provide one? Why is that asking too much? I mean, you must have originally had a reason for your procreation in the first place, so why not enlighten me and others as to what it is? Or do you involve yourself with on-line forums for reasons other than the discussion for which they were designed and for which they exist?

And it amazes me why you consider a simple question on the subject of procreation to be out of place on a parenting board. Prey tell where the logic behind thinking that comes from? Would my inquiry be more suited in a Rugby forum?

par·ent (pârnt, pr-)
n.


1. One who begets, gives birth to, or nurtures and raises a child; a father or mother.
2. An ancestor; a progenitor.

3. An organism that produces or generates offspring.

4. A guardian; a protector.

5. A parent company.

6. A source or cause; an origin: Despair is the parent of rebellion.



v. par·ent·ed, par·ent·ing, par·ents

v. tr.


1. To act as a parent to; raise and nurture:

2. To cause to come into existence; originate.

 

More like cancer. http://www.churchofeuthanasia.org/e-sermons/humcan.html

 

To fleassy- The love of my life was born on my 25th birthday in four hours. His birth was so fast and magical and he truly changed my life. My personality, habits, organizational techniques, leadership style- everything. I became the person I was meant to be.

To idealogue- there is a biological imperative to have a child as evidenced in the same way my cat tries to escape every time I open the door. There is also someone very loving , cuddly and wonderful sleeping in my bed right now (and I mean my son). He has the potential to reverse some of the damage to our precious mother earth. He is a consumer, of course, but he also has the potential to give back and encourage others to do so. And he keeps me happy and encourages me not to consume. If I'm feeling bored I might buy stuff, instead I turn on the music and we dance, or fingerpaint, or go outside and enjoy the sunshine. Playgrounds are free and don't pollute.
Plus, and this is the best reason of all, kids are more wonderful than anything else on this planet that I could think of.

As a response to Michael's post and forthcoming rebuttals thereof- There was love, at the time I thought it was love the love of his dad, and I know that happens sometimes, but now I know it was really my son's love, reaching out for me. He was supposed to be here. Our souls were already entwined. He isn't being idealistic. Love is what creates babies. Even the ones who were "accidents" really were reaching out to their parents with love and willing themselves to be born.

I know it sounds silly, but it is something that I feel in my gut. Our kids were meant to have us and the love that makes them and preserves them is magical in its enormity.