Look I found this article and I wondered what you thought of it Its about the numbers of people leaving Britain http://www.charlotte.com/409/v-print/story/254993.html I think its some kind of USA expats paper for ex brits in the usa, not too certain though
i am stumbling across quite a few brit, italians and spanish people. moreso than ever before in my life. though i was usually surrounded by vietnamese, korean, japanese, chinese and mexicans in southern california. but it sounds about right to me. however, that being said, i don't see why i'm supposed to fight the incoming tide of change. nothing stays the same forever.
This is poorly researched emotive scaremongering clearly written by a redtop retard feeding moral panic and playing the sort of politics that cries from the rooftops: "Won't somebody please think of the children?" It has not even made the effort to distinguish between asylum seekers and economic migrants, nor has it cited its sources, two key indicators of someone who doesn't know what they're talking about. 'Britons give many reasons for leaving'? What reasons? Where? Quote someone for me, please? This is pub journalism on the most moronic level....
maybe you are right but hey with a load of immigration this country is just turning into crime central. Its not safe in Britain any more. They are lying when they say they have 140,000 police in wales and england. There is nowhere near this number. The stabbings, killings and violence is out of control and partially infact mostly its the fact that 1/3 of people in london are immigrants or have been in the last 15 years or so. they have no empathy with the country. My dad reckons that we might be leaving soon too. He says that these people especially the muslims cant integrate and wont integrate and either this liberal experiment should be over or anyone whoi cares for law and order should get out and go to Australia or the usa or mainland europe I think he is right. Nobody knows who they got living next door to them anymore and cant find out cuxz half the fuckers dont speak english but they all claim state benifits
My dad was an immigrant to this country in the 60s. He came here to go to Oxford. Now he's teaching English to people who were born here and speak the language much less fluently than he does. He's paid his taxes all his life and he's never stabbed anyone that I know of. He doesn't claim state benefits either, so I think it's quite obvious that your assertion that 'they all claim state benefits' is an erroneous one. In fact most immigrants come here to work, not to claim benefits. The majority are young men of working age who need to send money home to families. If you just cream off all the moronic stories you hear in the tabloids, you will of course come away with a negative impression. The fact is, the country needs immigrants to offset the growing pensions crisis we face with an ageing population. Yes, perhaps more should be done to integrate communities. But your attitude and the attitude of your father are hardly promoting that sort of integration. Crime existed before immigration. And if you start tarring all immigrants with the same brush as the criminals then that is nothing but a display of unthinking ignorance. Perhaps you should emigrate. Then you will be an immigrant and you might see for yourself how the boot feels on the other foot....
thats bullshit. you are just forgetting one thing. the actual reason they are here is because they work cheaply. Our government isnt interested in whether they have to feeed a family back home but they are interested in how cheap they work
Resorting to saying 'that's bullshit' without offering any kind of refutation proves nothing but the weakness of your own argument....
Also I notice you never touched on any points about the loyalty of the muslim community who I know for a fact have no loyalty whatsoever. I have never met a muslim that, when they confide in me, ever express anything but disatisfaction with the culture and openly state they loathe our decadence, well sorry but this country and its decadence were here a long time before their families came here so perhaps they should put up or fuck off if its that bad. dont bomb us just fuck off to somewhere you like. People emigrating to australia dont bomb britain before they go just coz they dont like the place no more. so why should some misguided jerk with a religious book in his hand feel he should bomb the place BTW I have known many muslims very well indeed many many of them
There are nearly two million Muslims living in the UK. Only four have actually blown anyone up. How many bombs have we dropped on Muslim counties? Also, it's a mistake to see all Muslims as lacking in loyalty or patriotism. What is often the case is that the first generation immigrants have been very loyal to Queen and country. It is no co-incidence that the 7/7 bombers were not immigrants, but were born in this country. People cut off from their parent culture and alienated from their host culture may look to more extreme means of channeling their frustration. Moreover, they might look to their parents' generation as the generation that capitulated to Western values at a time when it is the West that is waging war on Islamic societies such as Iraq. If you want to find one of the central sources of Muslim dissatisfaction, you need look no further than Iraq. A generation ago, the terrorist threat was from the IRA. Why? Because oppression breeds resentment. Yes, more should be done to integrate Muslim communities. Learning English should probably be a compulsory requirement and more active state efforts should be made to promote understanding and harmonious community relations. The British state needs to take a greater interventionist role as the French state has done, though without overly restricting individual liberties as has the latter. But this is not just a British issue. This is a reflection of wider trends in global politics. And the greatest barrier to peace are the foreign policy objectives of our government....
i have to hear all this crap about the latino immigration in the usa. it's not just about the money, it's about all the social and cultural change. but why on EARTH is that a bad thing? i think that's more what this silly article is about, once i actually read it rather that scanning it. people like to maintain their position as #1 and hate it when people show up to change the way things are done. i just think it's silly. i can't think of a single culture or country that hasn't been changed into what it is today by immigration. and people just get used to it, it becomes the new norm. until the next round of fresh blood shows up. but i AM see way more europeans (of a fresh wave) than i had before. then again, i'm resented by the "true locals" in colorado because i'm from southern california and apparently tainting the local culture.
You have convinced me ! Well argued matey ! ok but everyone has frustrations I mean all the muslims i ever met talk about how immoral it is here, well shit yeah like wanting to make women cover up the whole of their bodies and shut the fuck up on politics. they talk about immoral westerners while downing large quantities of alcohol and then wake up with a hangover and go on about how theyve been neglecting the mosque lately - ha ha - then they get all fundie on everyone for a week or two. strange but yeah that aside I will think on your arguments, well put, well put
Ironically in the Qur'an, it says nothing about women needing to cover their heads or faces with the hijab. It only stresses the importance of modesty, which is something you'll find in most religious or secular societies. If someone ran through the streets of London naked, they'd probably be arrested for public indecency. The hijab, which I agree is a particularly strict form of enforcing modesty and one I've argued strongly against, arises because of a certain conservative way of interpreting religious texts that has become the dominant one in Islamic societies and amongst diaspora populations. However many Muslim women do not wear the hijab. In Turkey, the wearing of the hijab is banned in public institutions, and there is a considerable and growing movement within the Islamic community which is pushing for more liberal, more tolerant practices. Turn the clock back three hundred years, and people in Christian countries were still being burnt for heresy. The seeds of change are already there in the global Muslim community, change is happening and change will happen. And I think further integration and further cultural exchange between the values of East and West will continue to liberalise the most reactionary elements of Muslim communities....
turn the clock back three hundred years, and people in Christian countries were still being burnt for heresy No, actually you would have to turn the clock back about 400 years years. The laws were apparently changed in 1790 to prevent death by fire but from what i can gather after a 20 minute search is nobody was burnt at the stake since about 1620 or 1630 and BTW that wasnt christians that was catholics. Its one of the reasons Henry the 8th wanted reformation - certainly nobody was burnt as a heretic during henry 8ths reign except for treason which was a state crime not a religious crime so in britain you would have to go back about 450 years even the witch hunts ended at around the time of the herressy trials against scientists - so basically the trials ended arount 1550 - people were burned for treason against the state after but only two or 3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witchfinder
I was referring to Europe there, not England/Britain specifically. The last person to be burnt in Europe for heresy was in the early 18th century. And what are Catholics if they're not Christians? Either way, that's a minor quibble, the overall point standing that change is inevitable within all societies and as they become increasingly secular, multicultural and integrated, conservative interpretations of religious texts lose their hegemonic influence. Interesting that you point to the Reformation. It has been suggested by some authors, such as Reza Aslan, that Islam is currently in a very similar position as that of Christianity during the Reformation. Similarly, it is a bloody and uncertain time in which two very different kinds of Islam are at war with one another - the Islam of bin Laden and the jihadis, vs. the Islam of the moderates and liberals. There is every cause to believe that Islamic fundamentalism is a self-defeating force and that change, progress and increasing tolerance are the likely outcomes of such a stuggle....
