There really is so much evidence of God

There really is. I want you guys to do some research online about peoples PERSONAL experiences involving the supernatural. Do you know how many miracles youll find? Do you know how many people who pray and trust God really live a fullfilling life without a fear of death because they know where there going? Im not talking about a security blanket by believing in God blindly, but im talking about actually putting FAITH in God and seeing results. If so many christains/God followers really do believe in God, dont you think they have a reason? They let God take over there life to live it in HIS will to help make the world a better place for me and you to live in.

Not to mention, theres thousands of NDE's where people KNOW what they saw, and they dont force anyone to believe it. But after reading many of these experiences i truly believe there true. There all similair in its own way. If a NDE was just a dream, then why does EVERY single one have to do with God and the after life? Why dont people have crazy dreams of stuff that are random, like all dreams/hallucinations. The proof is there.

Also, do you realize how AMAZING this world is? Do you guys have eyes? Dont you see the beautfiful house(the world) God prepared for us to live in and dwell until were back with our creator?


NOW...i want you to do a little math.


Millions of personal experiences with God/Jesus

+

Near-death experiences


+

This amazing miraculous world we live in


+

The bible and Jesus's references in the New Testament to the Old testament


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The fact of Jesus's teachings ARE the key to the most fullfilling life possible


+

YOU. Your miraculous human self.


=Proof of God.





To the ones that dont believe: If theres millions of people claim that God is REAL in our lives, why not believe them and try for yourself? Let God take over you. All the evidence is clear, and if anyone thinks we can have this world and its many wonders without a specific designer than i believe is foolish.


Instead of trying to look at scientific facts to disprove my message, then try. But no matter what, what a person feels and experiences is truth. Not this fake, temporary reality sorrounding us.

-smokindude

 

LOL!!!! LmAo!!!!!!

 

Seems convincing to me. I'd quibble with a few of smokindude's arguments, but he basically sums up the various reasons--not necessarily logical ones, but not irrational either--why I and lots of other people tend to believe in Christianity.

 

I have a thing against believing millions.

History proves that what's popular is usually no good, no sir.

 

Well, take an atom. Then takes its sub atomic
structre. What makes up these atoms?
String theory? Or something like it.
10 dimensions, 10 sefirot.
Movement from the ordered frequencey of
vibration is what we dance into and out from.
So, this self sustaining energy, what is making
the strings? What is making the energy?
Who is conducting this Cosmic Symphony?
Rip reality in half and you can find it in infinte
abundance, in every microscopic peice of
anything in existance.
Break on through, to the other side of manifested
natural reality.
What is on the other side?
Picture getting smaller and smaller, eventually,
in some 'things' perception, you start getting
bigger and bigger.
Welcome to God. Or, at least the divine Light
permeated with divine Love that lies between
Us, and Them.
* I wrote this last night lol :&

 

I believe in a flow in the universe, but not because of any of the reasons listed. I can't really agree with too many of the points. Let me get this straight: I don't believe in a christian god. I think it's just a mythological figure, like Zeus or Hera. I don't believe that Jesus was "the only son of god, begotten by a virgin, etc" I believe that Jesus was a messenger who from his own internal spiritual journey, became awakened, like Buddha and taught his path to enlightenment or oneness with the Tao.

What do I believe? When I use the term god, I don't mean some male figure sitting up in heaven watching us. I use it to describe the flow of the universe, the energy that resides in all of us, the eternal Tao. Maybe I should use that term to clear up any confusion about my beliefs. I don't believe that this energy can be named, so any words I use will be inadequate.

BTW, a lot of near death experiences can be explained by the brain shutting down and hallucinations appear to protect the brain from its death. To soften the blow, so to speak. It's been studied that all mescaline trips have five hallucinations in common with every user. I don't remember what they are, but that is how the brain reacts to the drug. Who's to say that the brain isn't hard wired to create similar hallucinations in the dying? Much more investigation must be done before we can call these near death moments anything more than hallucinations of the mind.

Peace and love

 

Faith doesnt need proof......Logic does...I have enough faith to believe there is a God without having someone prove it to me....Logic is what makes some people try to argue and disprove his existance , they turn to science and such to explaine all that hes made. And they have some very good theories....and have made some WONDERFUL discoveries......but i still believe he is real.

 

Why do you say "he?" Why would god need a gender?

Peace and love

 

Are all these arguments for God really being opened minded or are they being closed minded towards the negative aspects of God, spirituality and religion?

For all the millions who have benefited from the religious constructs of God, there are billions who have been tortured and slaughtered in the name of God. For every argument a creationist brings forth, a more logical counter argument exists.

That being said, please continue with your nonsensical explanations of your fantasy worlds. All these illusions of opened mindedness from such polarized proclamations are rather amusing.

 

Want to hear what i believe is a miracle? My grandmother who is in my eyes the defintion of a REAL christain(basically raised me, parents did nothing but cocain/crack) was laying down in her bed in her room(about 10 years ago, i was 6). She glanced across the room and yano what she saw? A tall man that shes convinced was a messenger from above. The man pointed at her and calmly said "This is your assignment". She replied "What?" The man repeated himself.."this is your assignment". Right after the man said it the second time she claims in her heart she just knew for sure that the man meant that me, my sister, and my brother is what he was talking about. It was..and is her assignment to of raised me the way she did. I love her so much.

Experiences like these are really what makes me know for sure theres a greater being. Theres also 2 other occasions in my family where what i believe were angels made an appearence. If anyone would like me to type the other 2 out, just say so.


Ya ya im gonna get bashed and laughed at, but she knows what she saw. Nothing will change that.

 

Well it is true that women tend to be more chemically unstable, err, I mean spiritually inclined.

I myself have witnessed soldiers standing in my bedroom, bodies lying next to me, voices whispering in my ear, I could have swore I drove by a ghost one night… Do I believe any of those illusions existed outside of my biochemical, electrical, tangled mass of neurons I call my mind? Not at all. And one thing all of these illusions had in common, they all occurred while I was extremely tired, while I was just falling to sleep or coming out of sleep.

All that we perceive this world to be is analyzed and interpreted within the limitations of our grey matter, the same mass of grey matter that converts inverted retinal signals to images processes images from our imaginations.

God exists only in our minds, somewhere in that fuzzy region between our consciousness and imagination. God is not there by chance either, like behavioral traits of domesticated dogs, we have been bred to believe this God exists. Mostly because he provides a self justification, conviction failsafe mental mechanism, no matter if you're taking care of someone's kids or waging war on another race. The God illusion helps motivate which is why over millions of years it has become a dominant trait almost as common as brown eyes.

 

That's harsh. I've had close friends, otherwise rational and normal, who report similar strange experiences. One (not a Christian) claimed that his injured leg healed "miraculously" by sleeping in a pyramid. Another, a sensible businessman, claims he sees auras. And another (female) claims that she saw the apparition of a naked man standing at the foot of her bed in a house that was supposedly haunted. (Freud, eat your heart out!) Why don't any of these cool things ever happen to me? I don't think these people were schizophrenic, but I have a strong attachment to rational, naturalistic explanations of reality. I try to keep an open mind, but my interpretation is that sometimes even the best of us can sometimes hallucinate.

 

I died in a car wreck and there is no such thing as a christian god. There is only infinite love and because we are all One, than we are "god".

 

lifelovefun, thats very interesting. But theres many people who have died too, and have claimed to be in the PRESENCE of the Christain God. Id really appreciate it if you gave more details in what you saw/experienced when you "died". Its very interesting, like i said.

 

I disagree. If you're saying that you have some kind of inside intuitive track to God, I guess we can't "prove" you wrong. But you can't "prove" you right, so why bother us on a website that is devoted to communication and dialogue. I have faith that blind faith is a bad thing, and as you say, "Faith doesn't need proof". Logic is one of those faculties that Santayana includes in the concept of "animal faith"--intuitively obvious truths without which we could have no hope of coping with the outside world. We know that two plus two equals four, and that when we type these messages onto Hip Forums, there really are other people writing back. There obviously is not the same consensus on God. I have faith in Him/Her/It, too, but it is not more certain than logic, and it involves the choice to bet my life on a reasonable but uncertain hypothesis. Logic and science have their limitations, but as you say, "They have made some wonderful discoveries."

 

The reason some people encounter a "christian god" when they have a near death experience is because that's what they've been brought up to believe through religion, fear, shame, guilt, etc... Our mind is SOOOOO much more powerful than we're told, and by disconnecting ourselves from our own power and peace than we're able to be manipulated into doing whatever the preachers and teachers tell us to.

What I experienced was an infinite white room and the only thing that existed was real and unlimited love. There wasn't a god, there weren't angels, and there wasn't anything else that the church I went to for 20+ years taught me would be there.

Because my accident happened so quickly I didn't have time to come up with a "What might happen" scenario in my mind. I was jamming to some St. Lunatics music going 90 MPH on a backroad and 2 seconds later I flipped my car over a 15 foot drop. Unlike most people who are laid up in a hospital bed worrying about what "god" is going to say to them when they're dead, or having preachers coming up to their room everyday reading them their last rites, I simply experienced death in it's pure form and without all the thoughts of fear that surround most people who know they're going to die.

 

What about the many atheists that have converted and now trust in Jesus Christ because of there NDE? Oh ya, and that ultimate love you felt, i believe came from being in the presence of God. Im not saying the christain God necessarily, but the God that does exist, whether it be the ultimate source of energy and vibration, or a higher being that created us. I dont freakin know. All i know is that there IS a God, but not quite sure what form its in.

 

You only know something once you experience it. Trying to explain my experience through the filters that the church has put in your mind isn't possible. The church is there to keep you believing the lies that they've scared you into buying.

The old Egyptian slave drives never told their slaves that freedom exists for them, the same thing goes for the church and all other religions.

 

Did you know that the ancient egyptians actually used to stimulate NDE's in pharoahs before they sat on the throne? If it were miraculous divine intervention, don't you think god would know when people are just using him to give their leaders something "enlightening?" Your brain is a pretty cool thing. An electrode in the right spot with actually stimulate an OBE or NDE, and you can also get things like Obsessive compulsives devoting their lives to the PRACTICE of religion, epileptics being more religious in general because of "religious experiences" associated with their particular brain state, phantom limbs, orgasms in your foot, synethesia, hypnosis, lucid dreams, and a whole ream of other cool things.

I'm willing to go as far as to say that if you could conrol each and every neuron in your brain, you could experience anything which humans are capable of experiencing, including dancing the macarena with god on mars while the Tweedlebugs from Sesame Street throw pinecones at you. How much research have you actually done on NDE's, SD? Like with scientific studies and sources and stuff like that, not just testimonials.

 

People's near death experiences involve "God" because they already expect this. It is NOT proof. Proof is something that can be backed up.. Personal experiences are not back-ups. People are so brainwashed that every part of their lives are influenced by their beliefs.
You say it's FACT that Jesus' teachings are the way for the most fulfilling life. How does this even make sense? Life fulfillment is different for everyone. There cannot be fact attached to this.
There are infinite possibilities for the afterlife or lack there of. If there is an afterlife, what makes you think it's something the human mind can even wrap itself around?
It's also interesting that you mention people's personal experiences. Much of the Bible is hearsay...today if someone said that God spoke to them most would think they were crazy...including Christians.