Do you have any self control while on acid?

I've never had acid before, but will be having some soon. I want to know how people act when they are trippin balls, I've never seen anyone tripping either.

Can you keep a straight face, hold a conversation with someone who is sober etc...

I've talked to people that say when others are tripping they usually just end up laughing really hard at nothing. Then there are stories of doing things like climbing trees or sleeping in parks or just flipping out.

I'm had loads of xtc and can always handle myself very well when rolling hard. If I'm rolling extreamly hard I might just chill out on a couch and have an easy chat with a mate, but I never "flip out". I am always aware that I'm rolling and just go with it... but I've heard when you are tripping you dont always realise it so you can get out of control...

 

hard to explain... but one thing for sure is that it is nothing like alcohol..(you will still have your self control - probably more then you do normaly)

 

it depends how much you do and how strong it is. it's pretty hard to say you have complete self control when you have absolutely no sense of depth perception or boundaries between yourself and the floor, people around, etc. if you get good acid you will probably not be able to come off as normal to anyone around.

it's not really that you forget you're tripping, but it becomes really really difficult to *believe* the reality you're in isn't the "real, objective" reality everyone else is in. even if you KNOW it's because you took LSD, it's very very very VERY difficult to *believe*.

 

I know it would be hard to explain personally, but if you watched someone hit some acid and you stayed were sober, how would you describe their actions?

I stayed sober for the first time while all my mates hit some x, and it was an experience to watch how they acted from a sober point of view... they started speeding up, fidgeting at everything, got louder and more passionate about their conversations, then decided to get lost in a few songs (sat there just listening to Gov't Mule). Sure you could tell they are high, but it was well under controll.

 

it's not really that you forget you're tripping, but it becomes really really difficult to *believe* the reality you're in isn't the "real, objective" reality everyone else is in. even if you KNOW it's because you took LSD, it's very very very VERY difficult to *believe*.[/QUOTE]
So do you always know you're on acid? How can it be hard to believe? I mean its not like salvia right? you know you've taken acid, how can bad trips happen man. Thats what i dont understand

 

can anyone describe what someone does while tripping from a fly on the wall perspective?

With weed you might just sit on a couch, be more lazy/slow and and laugh a bit more than usual.

Speed - talk faster, cant stop looking around, cant sit still for very long, very enthusiastic

X - very enthusiastic and expressive about almost anything, may sit/lie/stand in strange positions/places, eyes roll around, possible jaw shakes, bursts of energy/enthusiasm

Alcohol - Talk lots, lots of confidence (too much), sometimes oblivious to the world outside yourself, slow reaction times, possible pass out or little motion.

ACID - sit on a couch lmao? speed up? talk lots?

how would I go if all my mates had some X and I had some ACID, would I make an ass of myself?

 

Well if it's your first time I'd advise against doing it with Eers, especially if you'll be the onlyone on L. You'll be in a totally different world, and their speedy, enthusiasic ideas may confuse you

 

So do you always know you're on acid? How can it be hard to believe? I mean its not like salvia right? you know you've taken acid, how can bad trips happen man. Thats what i dont understand[/QUOTE]
you know you've taken acid and yeah that must have done something but you can't believe that what you're seeing and experiencing isn't true and real, beyond your own mind, beyond the effects of a chemical. you can't imagine it ever wearing off, because it can't just be a drug, you can't imagine ever going back to the way you were before, because, man, you found the truth, it's not the acid, seriously, it's just the way it is now. but then a few hours later, against all odd, it seems, you do come down. and you realize, it's not just the way it is, at least not for you, not anymore. all you got was a little peek, a trip, into a magical magical magical world, and now you're back where you started and it's time to do some real work if you wanna get back without just taking more LSD.

it's called TRIPPING !

it's like "wow, the universe is more amazing than i ever realized! i can't even comprehend how beautiful it is! ...and i suppose i did eat a little piece of paper a while ago, but that doesn't really have anything to do with THIS, THIS is TRUTH! that's just some incidental little sidenote."

how can bad trips happen? hmmm. fear. that's kind of a duh answer, but really. if you have to deal with mundane, stupid, sad, boring, pointless, restricting, confining, depressing, confusing things... i don't know, i haven't really had a bad trip, i've had scary moments though and that's what caused them.




Words are flying out like
endless rain into a paper cup
They slither while they pass
They slip away across the universe
Pools of sorrow waves of joy
are drifting thorough my open mind
Possessing and caressing me

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world

Images of broken light which
dance before me like a million eyes
That call me on and on across the universe
Thoughts meander like a
restless wind inside a letter box
they tumble blindly as
they make their way across the universe

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world

Sounds of laughter shades of life
are ringing through my open ears
exciting and inviting me
Limitless undying love which
shines around me like a million suns
It calls me on and on across the universe

Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Nothing's gonna change my world
Jai guru deva
Jai guru deva

 

The propblem with LSD is that its a "mind expanding" drug as opposed to a mood enhancing one so you cannot really say how somone will react.

People have good trips bad trips mixed trips and also teh strength of them will have a lot to do with how out iof it you are.

First time tripppers do on occasion tend to forget (momentarily when they get overwhelmed or confused) that they've taken a drug. If you check yourself you'll always rememebr that you have but it can get out of control.

so form attempting to communicate with wildlife, to being completely unable to communicate with mankind to being completely tripping out but self assured and confident all these things are possible.

I would suggest you trip in a trip friendly environment and since mind set and settign are the two most important factors on how your trip will go making sure they are great is essential.

And there are always issues with appearing sober. Probably because you just dont know how out of it you look. when teh wole world is changing and all that you konw is blown apart at the hinges you tend to forget is yoru hair is a mess or if your eyes look completely like saucers or all concept of self awareness or ego can lose itself.

SO although peopel CAN be quite together they can also completely lsoe it and you just dont know which until you try it. SO to be on teh safe sie, make sure you dont have to do anythign responsible or act sober on your first go.

 

The first couple of times I didn't have much self control, and I'm thinking it would be hard to act sober on shrooms no matter what, due to the decreased motor functions. Now I can do whatever on L - go to the store, talk to whoever. It's all about dying into the moment. Neem Karoli Baba, the guru of both Ram Dass/Richard Alpert and myself, ingested 915 micrograms on one occasion and 1220 on another and both times he had no reaction to it. If you know how to die, you acid won't affect you much at all besides tickling the senses. Learning how to die, though, is a lot easier said than done

 

how i define acid is like
extremely euphoric, complete mind fuck, halucinations

it's hard to stay inside a house, though

 

Lol, I had a bad trip recently but I didn't hurt myself, I was just freaking out. It's like, I bought supposedly good acid, about 90% pure, sold less than half for more than half of what I paid for the whole strip (4 hits for $40, paid $70 for 10), so I took about 6 hits of good shit. I can remember everything. It took 2 hours to kick in, I thought it was bullshit but I started getting a watery mouth and having a weird feeling. I went inside a house (I was walking around with friends waiting for it to kick in stupidly), and was just bitching half the time cause I never knew where the fuck we were going (this was before the LSD kicked in). Then some puertorican guy sold us weed so we went behind one of the kids house to roll a blunt. After feeling like my head was going to explode all day and that the LSD wasn't going to kick in, the last thing I remembered being sober was taking about 4 hits off that blunt, then BAM.

Time was fucked, I started freaking out because I thought I was sober, and everybody kept gathering around me like I was a fucking alien telling me to relax. And I still had the same questions on my mind WHERE AM I GOING TONIGHT? WHERE THE FUCK ARE WE? Then when the acid kicked in, it intensified and I also (as usual) forget who I am, my objective in life and all this other bullshit you don't really think about until you notice it's gone while you are tripping. What scared me the most is a few people I remembered sitting next to me seemingly disappeared, and apparently I moved around a few times to sit else where. It also didn't help out that the cops were strolling the neighborhood and my friends kept getting up freaking out.

Then it just pissed me off, I started to think I was dead because the same scenario would repeat, I would try getting out of my chair which I felt like i melted into, started moving around, feeling peoples arms and shit to see if what I was seeing was real, and I kept asking my friends to show me where I was. We never seemed to leave this same area so I went rip shit, freaking out on them asking them over and over again where the fuck I was. OH and what really pissed me off is that my friend who is (stronger than me) would put me back in my chair everytime I got up and tell me to relax. REALLY bugged the fuck out of me, made me think I couldn't leave my chair, and everytime I sat in it and closed my eyes I'd feel more dead and seem to slip away... And I was too trippy to realize the hallicunations (plus it was dark), but whenever I did manage to look into a friends face they would get this weird looking evil smile and their eyes would turn big and black. I was sure I was dead, and it was like a bad dream repeating itsself over and over again. My friends just kept saying the same shit: YOU ARE OKAY, YOU ARE IN A SAFE PLACE, RELAX, RELAX. It was driving me crazy, it was like they couldn't tell me anything else. I'd try to sit back and relax, but I was too caught up in other things to 'just relax'. It was pretty horrible. And yeah, I FORGOT I was tripping acid. Then I started 'coming up' I guess, in my mind, cause I started to come back to my senses and realize I took acid, cause my hallucinations were still pretty intense. The meltings would melt, so it would just be a bunch of fractals in a matter of seconds if I stared at a wall or whatever.

But yeah, when people tell you stories on acid you like feel and live the story. Everyone was worrying I was having a bad trip, which made me worry, and the kid started telling me about a girl who had a bad trip and said she was in the corner of a room screaming and ripping out her hair. All I could do was see and feel that moment, it was insane. Crazy Crazy shit.

Oh and to your question, I did have self control. I felt like I actually wanted to go in the corner and lay down and started ripping at my face, but I didn't because I 'wasn't sure' if I was dead, lol. Then while I came up somewhat in my mind and got my sense of direction back (as to where I live, but not much else than that), I managed to ride my bike over 2 miles back to my house. So things were fine. I was actually more cautious than when Iw as a sober, and I wasn't driving like an idiot at all. But when the LSd sneaks up on you and takes your mind away, I wouldn't recommend moving around and shit. Plus your IRIS in your eye nearly gets fully eaten by the blackness of your pupil so, good luck hiding that shit. I have blue eyes too so.. tough shit. It was also very weird riding home, I always had this feeling that I would open my eyes a bit wider and notice that I wasn't riding my bike home, simply sitting in my chair imagining I was (so my senses werent exactly fully back, but I was functioning a bike pretty well). When you come up it's very VERY hard to make out some full sentences and thoughts for a while, often I trail off very badly and forget what I was originally talking about. The shit was so good man, I swear shit was still slightly melting like 15 hours after the come up. I'd look up at my wall and it'd appear to push out into the sky, weird shit.

Too me, now doing LSD without smoking pot is just wasting the full potential of your trip. I'm not a weed fan, but if you want to enhance your trip, pots the way to go. But yeah, remember pot can make you anxious and shit, so it may add to the factor of a bad trip, but a bad trip isn't always so bad as long as you are somewhere safe, preferably your house (you'll have at least some sense of security rather not knowing where the fuck you are with a couple of bone heads who never answer you and repeat themselves 100 times over instead of consoling you a bit to let you know you aren't completely insane).

 

But the euphoria is from a new awareness you have rather than a chemical induced euphoria???

What about physical reactions like saying completley random things to yourself or others, going for a walk to the other side of town for no apparent reason, giving someone a huge hug even though you are not close with them at all, sitting in a chair doing very little for 2 hours... etc etc

^^^ thats what I'm wanting to know... what do you actually physically do when your tripping (either tripping real hard or just tripping a bit too).

 

it is always incedibly hard... almost impossible for me to stay inside while tripping.

ive never gotten myself into any trouble while going on my adventures tho
im sure I looked a tad crazy sometimes but for the most part people leave me alone and I leave them alone.

ive only went out once while I was completly gone and dont remember much from that trip but when I came back to myself I was at home in my bed and nobody said anything about it so Im assuming all went well...
I will never do that again tho... if I ever trip like that again I wanna be somewhere indoors.

but yea that was the only time I "lost full control" so to speak... I mean when I trip its not like I am in control anyway... its kinda like autopilot.. but not really..
idk thats the best way I can explain it.
I just go out and stay peaceful and nothing/no one really ever bugs me

 

^bump

 

The euphoria is chemical induced but from your mind.

Thats gain the difference to mind expanding substances and mood enhancing ones.

Your mind may choose to enhance the bad as well as the good. It depends on your mind. Its all in teh mind set (and setting.)

So basicaly its a bit of both. Chemical induction and mental enhancement. (or maybe that could also be expressed vice versa).

as for the physical reaction. I think from even a bit of research you should know by now that its not "take LSD = exact same reaction in all humans"

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=517198059628627413

The above link may give you an idea. one guys paranoid as hell and the otehrs seem to be having a laugh. you may want to go exploring (as i always do. Generally, for many people, doing the "same" thing is not great unless it inspires you so greatly that you get lost into it)

so no matter how many times you ask the question teh answer will be the same.

Here is a relatively small list of things I've done whilst tripping (you must bear in mind that it can be a 12 hour trip so there's lots of time to do lots):

Climbing trees.
Talking to people incessantly.
Getting lost in my own thougths and visual quietly for ages.
Suddenly "landed" back into consciousness and been so amazed that i was back here that I stated loudly "this is MY arm!"
http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=259330
Stared at the clouds for hours on end.
Lay about with friends on the riverbank.
Danced in a club/in a mates house like never before.
Eaten cherries (they were divine!)
Decided I wanted to go rowing.
went for a wander in the field but got a bit scared because despite knowing it was the acid making me feel the crickets noises were rattlesnakes i didn't like the feeling.
Enjoyed talking to strangers in clubs
Went to a club and did nothing but explore the place rather than dance or be social.
Thought i understood the reason for infinity.
Thought I'd found God. (this one actcually happens a lot to me... heh heh)
Been quietly to a dance night at uni and just observed humanity. Didn't say a word above what was ABSOLUTELY neccessary.
Sat through classes.
Rolled around in laughter unable to stop
Smoked spliffs
Had sex
Watched films
Listened to music
Bought things in shops and felt like the world was going to catch me tripping and try to make me "pay".
Spoken comfortably with vendors of various things and felt confident and fine (singlasses to hide the size of your pupils help in aiding this)
Had the desire (with all my friends) to dress up as Elvis and go into town tripping. (by teh time we got home to change we were too down and tired to put this into practice. heh heh also not really having any elvis clothes is always an issue. )
Wanted to be around people
Wanted to be alone
Wanted to be in nature
Wanting to feel the buzz of a city


The list could be far longer and I could go on forever. If I added the experience of my friends we could sit here for hours explaining the numerous trips they've done. HOwever a trip can tend to have a trend or a theme when you look back on it. Like a colour or a topic or somethign which addds to teh whol experience over and over again. It can sometimes simply be the setting.

People have killed themselves after doing LSD, people have killed whilst on LSD, Francis Crick won a Nobel prize for the revelation he got on LSD and some people have gone to change their lives in the most positive ways.

there is no standard
understand?

 

you are so cool

 

so true

 

Great post.

I do know there are extremes to what different people will experience or do while they are tripping - just like any drug - but what you have described gives me a good idea of what you have done while tripping, and I think on the physical side of things most people will act in similar ways.

I guess with X sometimes I want to dance my balls off, and other times I want to lay down and think about everything thats incredible, sometimes I want to roll around on the carpet cause its fluffy and inviting. But I always know what I'm doing and have a sense of myself from an outsiders perspective so I dont make a complete loon of myself.

Can you say the same for yourself when you are tripping that you have a sense of yourself from a 3rd persons point of view (just like you would if you were sober). Or are you sometimes too into the trip that you are unsure of what you are doing/experiencing (eg, you could be nude without knowing it).

thanks again, was a very insightful post.

 

well I would say nowadays i do. but the first time i took it (oof! that was 15 years ago!!! EEEk!) I wandered around like a lunatic in town a few days before Christmas with my friends laughing trying not to point and being rowdy because self awareness truly went out the window. I think we got away with acting that way because people probably thought "crazy teenagers" as opposed to "crazy adults". (shouting and laughing and pointing "that woman's wearing an IRONING BAORD!!!!" is not respectable adult behaviour)

I think if i explain the stages of the trip you may get it:

First you feel nothing
then you feel a little tingly, a little giggly, a little "woah whats going on here" "wahey its coming on" (if you've done it many times before and its a new source you keep checking yourself... "Is it wishful thinking? or am I really coming up WOOT!)
then the world goes CRAZY!!! if you pay attention there will be a small amount of time (quite short) where although you feel everything is going mad, walls breathing, colours moving things and perspective distorting when you just try and stay still and notice what EXACTLY is happening its nothing yet. a few minutes later the visuals will join this feeling.

Thats when people feel most out of it. Those relatively early stages. your mind doesn't quite know whats going on. and although your mind feels like its at superspeed it feels like its all over the place. The world and its being is twisting and each twist and turn emotionally and mentally involves and affects you. kinda. "wonky" is the best way i can describe it.

after this feeling that lasts a while (depends on person to person) things "plateau" thats when all your senses are stiill heightened and distorted etc. but you're mind steadies itself to comign to terms with the state it is now in. You will see/hear/feel/"understand" things that will blow your mind but you wont have the mental first time skating on ice feeling that you had earlier. not to that same degree.

After you peak things will slowly (very slowly) return to normal with some smaller peaks after the major one occuring.

Thats just all my perspective on it. I'm sure people are different.
but the point being, i imagine the wonkiness carries further yoru first time. I think you can only analyse it like this after MANY MANY trips and an interest in analysing "what actually happens".

There have been times when i've just been amazed that i have a body and that i happen to be in it since i feel i have no real connection or association with it. YOu can get so distracted that your self control or composure MAY go out teh window. but then it may not. The only way you'll know is to try it.

I have a friend who isnt great with LSD (although if you counsel him he's better) and the first time he did it, he sat there, posture bent over, eyes twitching with paranoia small and fidgety. he exuded exactly what he was feeling. I had to talk him out of the place he was. At that time i looked over at my husband and he (tripping b*lls for only the third time or so) was chilling, calm, exuding the epitome of composure. loving the music and teh trip. relaxed but confident posture.

It's dependent on the individual. Everything is.

As you will hear a million times. Mind set and setting. Get those right you're guaranteed a blast.