Gloabal Warming NOT related to humans???

I heard an interesting theory....that the cause of recent global temperatures is not soley based on human expulsion of carbon dioxide, but because of the increased numbers of sunspots. Apparently, this occurs at a cycle, and we are due for a "minimum" in about 10-15 years. ( a potential cool-down?) It remains to be seen if this theory is substatial, but what i was wondering if anyone else has heard the same thing?? It is very interesting, and has a lot of potential to be tangible.........

 

I agree, sunspots have a massive effect on our planet. Not only do they make the sun brighter and hotter, but they also cause magnetic flares powerfull enough to dissrupt the polarity of earth and nock north off axis.

Having said this, we are still leaving an ice age, so the earth can only get hotter for another few millenia. Extreme conditions have happened in the past and will allways happen, History, religion and folk lore are full of them. Headlines say "global warming has gone to far, we need to reduce carbon emmisions" usually preceeded by "this is the worst weather since 1960".

Oh so it was worse 40 years ago? shorely its getting better then?

Humans have allways had an effect on the earth, we have burned on an industrial scale for a short time but its had about as much effect as when we stopped defficating in holes.

 

You can continue believing the little shit tale about how the global warming is but a natural process, but the fact remains that waste is causing a long chain reaction the results of which are depletion of ozone layer, increase in ultraviolet rays' penetration, clogging of atmosphere with toxic gases, and, of course, global warming. This is proven by research, so again - you can continue believing your little tale, but there is no escaping the consequences of your actions. "The Hidden Is Uncovered... Always."

 

Im not trying to excuse the damage that we have done - I am a firm believer that we have caused serious damage. Im just saying I heard this theory, which does make sense, however, I am in no way denying that humanity has contributed to global warming! But we must take in account what is going on on the sun, because believe it or not, it does impact our conditions on Earth.

 

Are humans polluting the planet? Of course. Are they causing global warming? No. I have seen no evidence that points to global warming being caused by humans. It is cyclical and that explains why the other planets in the solar system are also warming. The fear-mongering being peddled by people like Al Gore has nothing to do with the environment and everything to do with a globalist agenda.

 

I believe pollution IS a very serious problem, and it needs to be addressed and dealt with by everyone, immediately...........but I think man-made global warming is a cop-out...........I don't deny that temperatures have been going up, I just don't bite the faulty logic that man is solely responsible. Taking care of our mother is the duty of all humans.........it's really the only thing that matters in the broad scheme of things, but I fear that man-made global warming is being used as a means to illicit control, fear, and complacency out of the ever increasingly ignorant mainstream population.

 

No. We have known about sunspots for hundreds of years. We can accurately look at temperatures for thousands of years past, and know of the solar variation of the past thousand years.

Global warming is detectable not only by the recent surge of CO2 in a short period of time, compared to the increase in temperature, but also in the manner in which the earth is warming is happening, evenly as it is.

Solar variation, and the fact that air pollution is reducing is responsible for increases in warming, however, these are rather small.

http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/media/proceedings_a/rspa20071880.pdf

 

Global warming IS a natural cycle, but it has been amplified by human pollution.

The weather has been very stable for most of recorded history. That's about to change. Geological records tell us that we've really had it easy the past 5000 years or so. If you look at the big picture, say the past 100,000 years, the weather has been a maniac.

Humanity is in for a bad future if the current trend continues. Starvation on a large scale is a very real possibility.


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I feel that it's nearly impossible to "blame" global warming on any one thing, or any two, or three things. This planet and universe is very complicated and we may never understand each individual cause of any one problem we see. I'm sure man has contributed to global warming, I'm also sure the planet and the sun's natural cycles have as well. The point is that it's an issue that is happening, and people need to start to agree on certain aspects in order to stop adding to the damage we've all ready done. It's not about who or what did it, it's more about modifying and working with this problem we have.
I haven't heard anything about sun spots having an effect, but I'm not a professional or scientist and my ecology professor prefers to lecture us on how it's all our fault. It's another contributer to consider I guess.

 

Yea they had this on "The Great Global Warming Swindle" from the UK's Channel 4.

 

How arrogant of us to believe that we can ruin this earth to the extent that the media claims we can. It will be here long after we are gone.

This heating is 99% natural, due to sun spots, general sun activity and other natural occurances. Our impact is a drop in the bucket.

 

There are countless natural factors affecting global climate, the chief ones of course being eccentricity, obliquity, and precession. Other factors involve oceanic circulation patterns, movement of lithospheric plates, vegetation, and a great many other things.

Since many of them affect each other, it gets even more complicated. For a simple example, as ice sheets spread and snowfall increases, albedo increases, thus driving the temperature even lower, causing more ice, even greater albedo, until the earth is basically just one big ball of ice (which is believed to have actually occurred before the start of the Phanerozoic).

Scientists are starting to get some indications that humans may factor in there someplace, but it's certainly not proven. Climatologists are not at all in agreement on the matter, and it will probably require a few more decades of data collection before there's any scientific concensus among climatologists. Workers in other earth science fields, you'll notice, have a drastically greater tendency to jump on the OMFG Global Warming bandwagon.

There is an 11-year sunspot cycle, and I think we just passed the minimum a year or so ago. I think there are other solar cycles that are known too, but I'm not at all informed on that subject.

What bothers me about the debate itself is that it's taken on the ugly look of a fanatical religion, where people are called ridiculous names like "global warming denier," etc. And usually by people who wouldn't know a Malankovich cycle from a motorcycle.

 

Not only are we looking at an 11 year minimum, the Maunder minimum (every 400 years or so) is upon us as well. Last Maunder minimum is when Europe had its "Little Ice Age" back in the 17th century. So we'll see if all the global warming hype is true or exaggerated

 

You can believe that man is solely responsible and go out and buy the new light bulbs, and hybrid cars....or you can become an educated consumer and consume less, and focus more on how mother nature actually works, which includes cycles and sun spots.

It's probably easier to buy into Gore's academy award winning film, and buy the tee shirts and crap that will never make a huge difference to anyone but those selling their light bulbs and wars.

 

Alright, I saw a documentary about the global warming possibly caused by the sun as well. They had pretty convincing facts (comparisons between the temperature on earth and the growing and shrinking of sun spots over a period of at least two centuries), brought pretty objective and I found it to be a believable theory actually.

So I pretty much thinking the same as Pressed Rat here. However I didn't know other planets are warming as well, how did we measure that?

 

Humans don't cause global warming.

Don't let this global warming havoc make you feel guilty.
Guilt is just a trick to make it easier the
big shots to take away your car keys...
or any other freedom for that matter.

Don't let that happen.
Don't them tell you you're guilty.

 

I am so happy people are finally waking up and not buying the marketing spin.

 

Did you know those new bulbs you are all buying contain mercury do they tell you that? How is the environment going to deal with that? Landfills going to handle that, or are you going to have to pay to dispose of them as well?

I wonder if Gore and others didn't own stock in the companies that manufacture them or the companies that clean the mess up.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55213

People got rich...don't wish you had a market share?

 

I am glad you posted that link gardener! It just shows that big money doesn't care about anything but making more big money .

 

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/10/16/1735258

A slashdot thread about the sun's current "all quiet" status. Some good points made in the conversation, worth a read if you enjoy slashdot.