Welcome to 21st Century United Kingdom.The crumbling society

:lol: John you are so full of shit it's unreal:lol:

 

Blah blah blah - yeah society has gone to the dogs - blah blah blah they been saying that since at least the roman era but they never had any computers and space rockets fuckin their society up - yeah we are shit at society -
The original poster is just some fuddy duddy old grandad by the sounds of it - I am having a great time dunno bout you lot but society where i live is good

 

i'm alright jack get off my stack

look people as i said before you are better off getting out

if you have some sort of skill or trade use it somewhere else

for the rest of you band together or go under thats the simple solution.

 

I'd far rather be alive today than at almost any other point in human history - medicine, sanitation, technology and knowledge far surpassing that of any other time; and Britain is one of the safest and best places to be in the world - free healthcare, a welfare state which provides for those unable to make their own way in life, free education, freedom and opportunity for all surpassing that of any other time in history, one of the lowest crime rates in the world.

As for recent history, since that's what fuddy-duddies like J0hn complain about, presumably having no perspective other than that of one's own immediate experience, long-term crime statistics in Britain show a falling trend, we are safer and less likely to experience crime than I would say at any point in past few decades, probably century. Going back further, well quite clearly we are safer in our cities now than at probably any time previously.

Those who complain simply have no clue what they're on about...

 

I'm with the lithium dood - man this society fuckin rocks - i mean it shatters the time space continuum and still manages to produce a guy who cooks a fuckin great breakfast at your local cafe'. man the west fuckin lives - this society is fucking great

 

Well

For all the things that are wrong with the UK and the West in general, we need to put things in a little perspective - I would like to see J0hn try to get by in pretty much any African city or anywhere in the developing world, as it is someone who can't hold down a job for five minutes can sit on his arse in a library using free internet to complain about trifles while being paid to do so by the dole. In any other society he'd be dead... We've never had it so good.

 

The problem is parents. The buck must stop with the parents. Parents are becoming younger and younger these days, and this may be the cause of such child criminal activities. There is also the fear now by parents to smack their kids. Because the PC brigade or whoever criminalised chatisement will come along and throw the book of law against you, and make you out to be a child abuser and a whole entanglement of libel will be scooped up by social services.

My parents were not good. Infact I suffered much abuse. Mostly from my mother. It was only because I ended up going to a decent foster home, and that I didn't stick around public schools long enough that I didn't become caught in madness, like Stuart (Last night on BBC2).

I believe also that there is a lack of morality in our society. if this wasn't so, we would not have one of the highest drinking problem, violence, youth violence in the whole of the EU.
Of course, Britain has some of its unique and great achievements. It is a Country of Unity. It is a country of true pride and sense. I just hope, we don't lose unity, pride or common sense in the next decade. Perhaps it is already too late. And perhaps in the next decade, unless we vote for a government who will actually tackle this, things are only set to get worse IMHO


Additional: How we raise our children, will depend on how they will be as adults. We can condemn them to a life of crime, failure and immoral diseased mindedness. Or we can go back to traditional times and start to chastice our kids when they step out of line. I mean not in every case, but assertion of authority over children, they will learn not to beat the system. In the Bible it says this(Hebrews I think. Not really religious)
A little smack of the wrist or the buttocks isn't going to traumatise a child.

 

the funny thing about most societies is that they're very organic. at the same time that one part is crumbling and going to rot, another part is growing and blooming.

 

Thats a nice way to think about things...

 

I also like that saying. I have another one: A beautiful forest, majestic in structure and its occupants devided by a great river. Then one day one side of the river rots in immorality, murder, killings the lot. But the other side learns from the immoral side and grows. Anyone with any morality on the immoral side, who have enough faith to cross the fiercesome river to the better side. But one side declines, the other grows.

Imagine the river as the English Channel or the Straits of Dover. or imagine me on a P&O ferry to Calais and then on to Paris.

 

i like mine better. it's shorter.

 

I was on the bus this afternoon and I saw this new generation young adult couple. The woman had giant round ear rings and was blaring out some Jungle music on her Ericson mobile. It was quite loud. Then she sort of slouched onto the seat with her head on her partner's lap. She had a ciggerette in her hand. Fortunately unlit. She was dressed in all black and so was her partner. When I looked at her, I felt that if this is the future generation, God help them all. I turned my eyes over to an allotment. I saw wilting sunflowers and corn fields and twiniy beans on bamboo. I thought about getting an allotment, but then my attention was then drawn to the herd of school kids. Laughing it up, had no respect and even they began to look like the typical familiar lot. The chewing gum chewers long gone, and now replaced with blaring mobile phones. If this is the next generation, God help them.

Finally fell off the 124 and crashed into a library. God decided it a good time to bring rain down upon Lewisham. I believe still, that a lack of good child parenting, is infact the very reason that society has crumbled. Children look up to their parents. My mother did some shit to me. I was lucky in that I didn't end up like Stuart (BBC2 documentary) But I have not escaped the murky depths of my preschool childhood unscaved. But I had alot of luck in that I had moral standards given to me by my foster parents.
I believe that it is a parent's duty to raise their young with morals and etiquite. One thing Britain is great for, is ettiquite. We are naturally polite or regal in our gestures. We have a class system which devides the swain from the socially acceptable normals to the fat cats upper class. I wouldn't want to be upper class. I would expect society to conform to a middle class. The way we are going, already the news keeps us informed, from stabbings to gross mutilations by youths. The other day I heard that a kid got beaten up, mugged and battered. The boy cried out to a passerby for help. But the passer by developed devil horns and joined in the assualt. The boy had injuries that were the worse that the police had ever seen.

 

i dunno, man, you seem awfully rigid to me. if you're raised in such a way that you can't allow people to be essentially harmless, not be okay with them finding some small piece of joy in their noisy, meaningless and angry world, i think perhaps you have more problems than they do. you seem awfully depressed to me.

 

Britain? Polite?! WTH?! Are you crazy?! The brits (from the 'Great' empire) were jerks... They couldnt leave anyone alone. Noooo, cos that way someone else might actually have something. ARGGGHHHH!!!! I think you're thinking of the Japenese? or someone else. Cos brits werent polite. They were posh. and a few other choice words i can think of.

 

I watch the news alot. I see more young people becoming victims of their own follies. Being stabbed, being enticed by adult gangs and then their innocence exploited.

I see ordinary citizens, being stabbed, mugged and cruelly wiped off the face of the planet. I see kids who roam the streets at night, while their parents have neither a care or called the police. I live next door to a thirteen year old hoe. She has had her virginity broken so she may never have an honest marraige. Her mother is working late into the dawn of the new day and meanwhile, the thirteen year old gets worse. She is surrounded by girls who claim to be her true friend. But when that 13 year old needs their help, they will scarper as quick as antelope and as swiftly as a snake.

This cannot be right. We see now, more access to media such as the internet. The librarys encourage eight year olds to use the internet unsupervised. They get alsorts of information not suitable for their age. The computer cannot discriminate. There are filters in place. But even then.Many kids are technical, they have grown up in a technical revolution. They all have mobiles that can actually get internet.GPRS, not just your standard WAP.

Morals are broken daily. Adults get drunk, become reckless and because we live in a multi channel age, our kids are absorbing every aspect of society. They also absorb the goodness too, like Learning programmes from the BBC. But when you then see corruption by Blue Peter. Millions watch this show. Many have become suckers. Kids learn, look up to adults. I am not saying that we should live in a perfect society. I say we should go back to the days when parents could discipline their children, even if it meant chasticement. Corporal punishment in our schools. Now kids know their rights. They go around acting like they have the book of Law in their pockets or the pocket book of Law and rights in their pocket. Teachers can now get sued by kids. Teachers should have the powers to confiscate weapons, mobile phones and other devices if need be. But with weapons, teacher's should be able to sieze these items. Teachers should be better supported by given new powers.

Parents are criminalised in Scotland for smacking their children. The parents are not criminals. Neither are the kids, but an adult needs to chastice a child if it is nessercary. As it says in Hebrew as a cross reference. Parents should chastice out of love. Like God would chastice his people. If he didn't chastice his people, they would not be his people. In the same right as a father smacks his son out of love. Ultimately we want our kids growing up in a civil way. If we do this for our kids, our next generation might just become a lot less like the one we are seeing, being splattered across our streets or who have murdered another person like the Bulger boys, or the Peckham boys. You know, it isn't expecting the world to be perfect. It is just common sense and respect and love for that child. Also, I feel parents are getting younger and younger. This isn't right. With age, comes experience. And with experience comes judgement.

 

stop watching the news and start enjoying the people around you. the fucking "news" is led by the notion "if it bleeds, it leads." there's nothing more skewed available for human mental consumption. people are the same animals we ever were. was there really ever a time in england's history that a body was safe to walk the roads alone at night? that there were no gangs or tribes bent on killing and money making? probably not, except when there were too few people to get involved. that's the same EVERYWHERE.

 

I like the youth of Brighton. They are friendly and social people. They sit in circles quite often on the beach, revelling in joy, peace and in the music. I believe that youth can be good people. But if you know where to witness what London could be. Then you will note, that I don't entirely condemn young people. Infact I only condemn the ones who commit those crimes or who have no respect for us young adults. I mean what harm would it be to put earphones on instead of blaring out a mobile phone? I am personally inspired by the young kids of Brighton.

 

Precisely. They like fights and bloodshed and out of control society on the news, its "good television"! I was going to say exactly the same thing. Stop watching it, its bound to depress you. They filter and edit until the entire world looks completely horrendous. Sure that stuff happens...but rarely quite how its portrayed, and then theres the mound of good stuff...

 

John,

I cant see the connection between hitting children and creating a better society. Ive thought it through long and hard, and i just cant. Im with you up to that point, change needs to be made...but how on Earth is this going to help...
Ive given my thoughts before about why it so basically will not work. But it worries me a little you believe thas the way forward

 

Stop putting stars in your eyes. One who knows reality, has dragged theire knuckles through the soil of tribulation at some point in their life, will know that today's society could do better

In Preverbs of the bible(Before anyone plays the preaching card, I am just using the bible as a cross reference, hense source of my findings)

It says something about chasticement of children when they need to be punished may actually save their lives. This was taken from a Good news edition. But the oldish copy has the same sort of meaning, but refers to saving soul from hell.

If we imagine hell as in being homeless,being in prison and commiting and being the victim of crime. Chasticement can only serve a positive thing. In the old days, people used to be caned. Now they have grown up to be members of parliament, your news journalist or perhaps Gordon Brown.

The problem with society is also, we live in a pamby cuddle society, where we give children amnimity from the law and where we simply play dead when governments cause selfish affliction upon us. If this was france, we would be fighting for what is right and moral.

Today I saw Boris get enough votes to be Mayoral candidate. Perhaps it is a Tory rule that we need. Ken Livingstone lets millions of kids get on buses for free. You only have to be on the 160 bus from Eltham at 3 15 pm to get where I am coming from in the point that kids are out of control. I reckon Boris will address this and perhaps passengers may be able to go about on their journey without intimidation and rowdy mob of kids.