UPDATE: THOUSANDS MASSACRED IN Burma (Myanmar) !!!

Discussion in 'Protest' started by Newbunkle, Sep 25, 2007.

  1. Newbunkle

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    UPDATE!!! Oct. 1, 2007
    THOUSANDS MASSACRED IN BURMA!!!

    HUNDREDS OF MONKS KILLED!

    BODIES DUMPED IN THE JUNGLE!

    THOUSANDS OF MONKS HELD IN PRISONS!

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...ticle_id=484903
    -Skip

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    Protesters were led by Buddhist monks chanting prayers for peace.


    I guess some of you must have seen what's happening in the news regarding Burma.

    Since she won the fair elections in 1990, Aung San Suu Kyi has never been allowed to take power, and has been under house arrest for 11 of the last 17 years. I've just heard that due to the recent protests there, she has been moved from house arrest to a place local people call "Insane Prison". Some activists who were sent there still have nightmares about the place. My thoughts go out to the people of Burma, and Aung San Suu Kyi.

    Poor people in Burma survive on $1 a day, yet the leader Than Shwe's daughter was recently married in a lavish wedding. She received gifts worth millions of dollars, which is a sizeable percentage of the entire national health budget. The illegal government has drained money and dignity from the country's oppressed people.

    The military regime have now declared a curfew and have forbidden people to travel in groups of more than 5 people, in an attempt to stop the pro-Democracy protests. The Junta have also suggested they will disperse further protests by force. These threats are taken seriously, because previous demonstrations have also been crushed by force, and 3000 people were killed.

    I found a list of Burmese embassies around the world, with some contact details. If you support the Burmese people in their quest for freedom, maybe you can e-mail or write to you nearest embassy and protest against the use of force by the Burmese authorities.

    http://www.ananda-travel.com/UK/myanmar_embassy_list_uk.htm
     
  2. Newbunkle

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    Well one monk is dead already, and several injured. Here we go again. :(
     
  3. nodirectionhome

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    I agree that the situation in Burma is very upsetting, and I am amazed by the bravery of the Burmese people in continuing to protest, even when threatened with arrest and murder by the military dictatorship of their country.

    Sadly, the U.S. media appears to be ignoring the story. I somehow managed to remain ignorant about this issue until last week, when I went to a protest for Burma at the Chinese embassy. Which reminds me... those of you who are writing to embassies should consider writing to the Chinese embassy as well. China has consistently supported the military dictatorship of Burma and vetoed all UN resolutions related to Burma, preventing any progress from taking place in the country. This is exactly what they were doing with Darfur, but eventually, with enough protests, China decided to let the UN pass a resolution to send peace keepers to Darfur.

    So keep praying for / thinking of / sending positive vibes to the people of Burma, so that they may be free of their oppressive government. And keep on the lookout for protests....
     
  4. lode

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    I saw a global press freedom index of global countries, and interestingly, Myanmar came in dead last. Right behind North Korea. I suppose the only thing you can say in Burmese news is that the weather is always beautiful.

    Burma is the national heart of my passion, and the fact that the people are crushed under such a Junta is horrific. Thanks for posting that. I'll write.
     
  5. polecat

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    The thing that gets me is that the soldiers who are repressing the protests are Burmese themselves. I just can't understand how they justify it to themselves. I'm sure they are just looking out for their best interests or their families, but I still can't comprehend how anyone can do that to one of their own. Mindblowing:(. Makes me appreciate my situation all the more...
     
  6. All Cats Are Ray

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    Footage of the violence made me tear up a bit. It's sickening... using batons, tear gas and bullets on monks...
     
  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    They don't have oil so I guess the most the US will do is impose economic sanctions, which I don't think will influence the military leadership there.

    So much for our priority of spreading democracy throughout the world.
     
  8. skip

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    The protests are now worldwide against Burma's military Junta.

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    This Japanese photographer was JUST SHOT TO DEATH (he's dying in the pix), by that Burmese soldier, just for taking pictures of the violent repression of pro-democracy demonstrators.

    Want to see the video?
    http://www.hipforums.com/modules.php?name=Videos&file=viewlinkinfo&lid=927

    He's one of many of the UNCOUNTED dead.

    Burma's military cut off the whole country's internet access today.

    Buddhist monks are NOWHERE TO BE SEEN in Rangoon today. They've all been either arrested or hauled out of the city or imprisoned in their monasteries. Hundreds if not thousands have been beaten, some killed.

    TODAY IS A WORLDWIDE PROTEST DAY AGAINST THE MILITARY CRACKDOWN ON PROTESTERS!

    WEAR RED TO SYBOLIZE YOUR SOLIDARITY WITH THE BURMESE PEOPLE!
     
  9. skip

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    The same way American police, national guard and military can do the same thing to American citizens. They've been doing it for many years now...

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    People's Park Face-Off, students vs. National Guard, Berkeley, California. This happened right after Gov. Ronald Reagan said: "If it takes a bloodbath, let's get it over with".

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    This is one of four dead students at Kent State, Ohio May 4, 1970 after National Guardsment shot unarmed protesters. This too came right after Reagan's speech.

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    Bloodied student protester from Columbia University after police rioted.

    This kind of REPRESSION never ends until the people are completely pacified thru FEAR, or the MILITARY itself turns on its leaders.

    In the case of America, the PEOPLE LIVE IN FEAR of going out on the streets enmasse. The military WON the war for Democracy in the US, so THAT's why we live under FASCISM too.
     
  10. BraveSirRubin

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    Wait... whatever happened to Darfur? Is that just last month's news? Did it get fixed? Or is it just not sexy enough for the liberals to be all excited about anymore?

    Is Burma the new pseudo-intellectual fad now? I gotta get with the times man.

    Don't get me wrong, I think that what's going on in Burma is terrible...

    But it's just hilarious to see how the media completely controls all of these things. They can just as easily choose to take Burma off the air, and everyone will forget about it within a week.


    You know what's the best thing to do in this situation as American?

    Stay away from it, and stop policing the world. Burma will solve its own problems.
     
  11. skip

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    What makes you think America has ANYTHING to do with what is happening in Burma?

    I don't know where you get your ideas from, as it seems most of the time they make little or no sense, Rubin.

    The BURMESE gov't has essentially "taken Burma off the air".

    Just as can be done by the US gov't if it chooses.

    If you're confused about why I brought America up in this thread, it should be pretty fucking obvious. The poor, unarmed Burmese citizens are doing far more about their corrupt fascist gov't than Americans do about theirs. They're putting their lives on the line for freedom and democracy. Not in some foreign country half-way around the world, but AT HOME, where it counts most!

    And if you think Burma can "solve it's own problems", then you are misinformed (as usual).

    First, the only weapons in Burma (a non-violent, Buddhist society) are in the hands of the police and military. So it's a bit hard for unarmed civilians, esp. non-violent ones to overthrow their gov't. They would've done it a lot sooner if they had weapons, I'm sure.

    Secondly, China is the REAL power behind Burma because it uses Burma for a variety of reasons. Burma supplies a LOT of timber to China, a Lot of natural gas, a lot of other shit that we'll never know about related to the "Golden Triangle" drug running.

    So if you think the Burmese can solve their own problems WITHOUT China being involved, you're dreaming.

    Instead of coming to FALSE CONCLUSIONS that reflect your own lack of knowledge on the subject, perhaps you should do a little RESEARCH on your own if you don't like what others report.

    Then come in here and make INFORMED statements, rather than B.S. It only makes you look bad. Esp. statements like this:
    Yes, revolutions are NOTHING more than pseudo-intellectual fads. Like the American, French, Russian, Chinese, etc... revolutions were. Just fads...

    Trolling is a FAD. Banning trolls is a FAD I fully support...

    Your response really indicates how FUCKED up and IGNORANT most Americans truly are...

    Instead what you SHOULD be asking, is why the media IS COVERING this ongoing event so well (it is indeed), but REFUSED to cover the Anti-war protests that took place this month in Washington DC.

    The answer is simple: The US gov't has threatened ALL major media outlets with Anti-Terrorism laws that can be used against them if they so much as even REPORT anything the US gov't doesn't want reported.

    So it's the SAME FEAR TACTICS being used against Burmese civilians to keep them in their place, and SILENT! Only the Burmese aren't standing for that.

    Lastly, I'm glad you find all this "hilarious". May you never have to discover how "hilarious" a police truncheon in your head is...
     
  12. BraveSirRubin

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    I think that you misunderstood my statement Skip.

    I think that what's happening in Burma is terrible, and I truly support the people of Burma.

    What I was commenting on is how most pseudo-liberals in America treat is as a fad, and forget about it the second the media stops broadcasting it. It truly saddens me that such a tragedy is nothing more than an excuse for some liberals to shout, and then just forget about it whenever it no longer appears on CNN. That is why I used Darfur as an example... no one is talking about it anymore, even though the situation is still extremely relevant, and it's all because the media is no longer following it.

    When I mention America, all I'm saying is that I hope that the US does not send a "peace-keeping" force to Burma, which would only make matters worse.
     
  13. skip

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    If you do a search for Burma or Myanmar on thread titles in these forums, I think you'll find that WE HAVEN'T forgot Burma, as it's a recurring theme here.

    If you judge America's liberals by what YOU SEE ON TV, of course you're going to get THE WRONG PICTURE. That's the whole POINT of MSM! To distract, distort, discourage, disinform.

    If you want to complain about the mainstream media, go ahead, you won't get arguments.

    You want to put down America's liberals, esp. those who are active on issues like this, then you're gonna get a SHITLOAD of arguments from me and others.

    I suppose all America's liberals have completely forgotten about that other Chinese vassal state, Tibet?

    If you think that, then WHICH HOLE DO YOU LIVE IN?

    Just because the MSM doesn't cover it, doesn't mean the LIBERAL, INDEPENDENT MEDIA ignores it.

    Once again you are misinformed, and I for one am getting tired of correcting you everytime you post BUSHIT right after me.

    SAY WHAT YOU FUCKING MEAN, the first time, so I don't have to play nanny to you.

    It seems you just like to spout whatever BUSHIT comes into your head without even vetting it with your BRAIN first.

    Try re-reading what you write, and make sense of it, BEFORE you post it.

    As far as "pseudo-liberals" go, just WHO are you referring to? I've yet to see any such ppl weighing in on this issue (unless of course you're referring to YOURSELF!).
     
  14. BraveSirRubin

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    I'm not talking about the independent media, I'm talking about the mainstream media and your average liberals.

    I know that alot of people are extremely informed and do alot of good for the situation.

    I am talking about your average liberal you find on the street.

    How do I know this? I live with them, and have to face their bullshit everyday on a college campus.

    All I'm saying is that it amazes me how easily people are swayed. You don't hear a single kid that was extremely passionate about Darfur even mention it anymore.

    This all comes back to what you were saying about the media, it is sanctioned by the government, and sadly... people are extremely influenced by it.

    I'm not disagreeing with anything you say Skip, I was just ranting about how such tragic events are turned into fads or something that's "cool" to support by the mainstream media. It turns them into a media circus and distracts people from the fact that this is indeed a tragedy and that innocent people are actually dying.
     
  15. skip

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    Rubin, if you want to tie in Darfur to Burma, you can do it with ONE WORD, CHINA!

    China is working both these countries over, supporting the gov't repression of the people to gain valuable resources. Oil in Darfur, Wood & Gas in Burma.

    China, who repressed their own student democracy protests with HUNDREDS dead in Tianamen Square, encourages these military juntas to do whatever they need to provide whatever China wants.

    I believe it's time to BOYCOTT CHINA's IMPORTS, to BOYCOTT the Olympics too!

    What about you? Can you participate in this, or are you just a pseudo-liberal?
     
  16. BraveSirRubin

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    This can actually be a prime time to boycott Chinese imports. The American public dislikes China already for all the lead in children's toys fuss. If someone actually manages to tie China to all of these catastrophes in the mainstream media, then something could actually happen. So, yes... you are right.

    Sadly enough, China supplies the US with a ridiculous amount of products, boycotting China would not benefit the US economy and the elite which is in power. I am sure that many US politicians and multi-millionaires are more than happy about what's happening, or even possibly supporting China and the Juntas on this for financial gain. It's a tricky situation, I cannot see the American government ever supporting a boycott of Chinese products, which will lead to the media never considering the idea.

    What will I do? I'll talk to people, and use logic... instead of just shouting "Free Burma!" on the streets for the sake of shouting something.
     
  17. skip

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    I've just started the Boycott Forum (something I've wanted to do for years).

    It's under ACTIVISM. So that is where we can discuss the boycott now. Not random thoughts, ok?

    First target: China.

    Don't buy chinese goods, Boycott the Chinese Olympics - don't go there, don't watch, don't even mention it except telling others to boycott it. :)

    At this point I am CERTAIN that China approved of the crackdown on protesters in Burma. In fact, they probably encouraged it. They don't want Tibetans seeing their fellow Buddhists gaining freedom and democracy. Nor do they want their OWN people seeing that...

    Much better for China if the monks and citizens are brutalized. RULE THRU FEAR! Just like America does.
     
  18. Carlfloydfan

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    China supplies the world. If the USA AND Europe can boycott China, that would be even better. Lots of Chinese items in France, England, ect. too even.

    The US would have an impact, sure, if Europe joins in, that would truly be an impact.
     
  19. lode

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    Yes, it's impossible to be concerned with two global concerns at once Rubin. Trying to recognize and show solidarity with the Burmese people, who have been crushed by Myanmar's military dictatorship doesn't mean that everyones suggesting that an invasion should happen.

    And demanding global justice only means policing the world if you believe that the world should live in darkness. The people of Myanmar are very glad for the support, whether or not you believe it's a fad.
     
  20. lode

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    I would say China's interests in Myanmar are completely economic. It has strong economic tries with Myanmar as do Thailand and India. Sino Burmese relations have been very tense ever since the cultural revolution. I don't think the oppression of the Burmese people in relation to Myanmar ever crossed the minds of the Chinese leadership.

    The US's own trade relations with Myanmar are already very slim. To force Myanmars hand, we would need to force India, Thailand and China's hands. This recent violence would be the kind of clout the US needs to persuade such sanctions.

    Anyway, I wore red today.
     

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