people dont get me

i hate it when people say without war there cannot be peace and there cannot be peace without war,i really am against that saying and then people just get angry with me they say without peace life would be boring and dum,they really dont get what will it be like when there really is a war

 

well i think with peace life would be much better for everyone... but here are the simple fact about a war they are allways big money to be made in it now don't that suck.....well i did'nt get angry you made some good sense to me

 

thats good

 

flowre girl i think you will see they are alot people here that has the same feelin you do about stuff

 

yeah i know and that is great!

 

Sorry to say, but as long as people have been on this planet, there is no security (read that as peace) without the ability to protect yourself. As long as people divide themselves (and we do), by Race, Religion, Ethnicity, by flags that proclaim their nation, and in some places even what friggin tribe you belong to, there will never be peace in this world. We have made an art form as a species, of finding a way to hate our neighbor.

The only way out of this continuing spiral..........Well, I don't know. I can say education, diversity of cultures, and try to teach understanding and tolerance of others different than you, but it's not just about that.....

There is also a huge resentment and ...Jealousy if you will....between the have's and the have not's. It's true with people as well as countries. Rich and powerful countries will always have enemies. Until the standard of living is fairly equal among countries, and we find a way to keep some people from becoming fabulously wealthy while other people starve or can not afford medical care, this will always be a world with strife.

Sorry I couldn't be a little more upbeat.

 

Ya every war america has been involved in was for economic gains-revolutionary war, civil war, etc....

Pretty sad when you think about it- The thing that would bring you to kill another human being is some slips of paper.

 

I don't hang around much with people with that attitude. They're kind of a downer and life's too precious to waste it arguing.

 

i get what youre saying, and I totally agre with you, but....

war and peace is a paradox...there cannot be one without the other

 

I don't agree with that, actually. The Revolutionary War wasn't about money, it was about freedom. It's true that taxes were one of the things that motivated people to start the revolution, but they fought it to be free. And the Civil War? That was mostly about freeing slaves. World War I? I have no idea why they fought that one. World War II? That was about Nazism and the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor. (Although the U.S. did get lots of money out of that one before they even entered the war... ) So... wars aren't always about money, although that doesn't mean that they don't suck...

 

Revolutionary War wasn't about money? Yes it was.
Civil War was about freeing the slaves? Yeah right...
WWII was about Pearl Harbor and stoping Nazism? Nah...

 

I understand how war vs. peace can be a paradox... No war = peace, and peace = no war... But why can't we have one without the other? Seriously, why? (I'm pretending to be Socrates, apparently.) If there had never been a war ever, we would have peace. If there had always been peace, we wouldn't need the WORD for peace, but there still would BE peace. So I'm not sure I understand. Why do we need war to have peace?

 

oh my god......please do not take to heart the shit they shoveled down your throat at school.......freedom...yeah right. Now dont tell me freedom isnt free.....that's bullshit, too.

 

I appreciate your socratic method......

well, if there was no war(and with that no peace) we would just BE.

 

i understand myself that there will be wars, but i hope for the day when there won't be!
when i wear my "make love, not war" shirt, i get laughed at, made fun of, or hated because of it. but then i just shake my head at how pathetic they are.
i don't believe for a second that humans were made with hatred and violence naturally in their systems. look around, its all the media.

 

There can never be Peace if we (or they) continue thinking that w*r solves problems.

Peace is much more than the absence of conflict, it's a state of mind that prevents conflict. That's why w*r can't solve problems. It can bring a temporary ''peace'', but it aggravates the state of mind of each and every person who are affected by it.

 

In addition to the war/peace arguement, it often amazes me that people say that someone 'won' a war!

No one 'wins' a war!

 

well you painted an ugly picture there but in it are the keys to hope
1st & foremost, all seperation, imaginary lines in the sand must stop, no more borders or governments or national/religios loyalties to create the us/them situation and we'll only have us, we cannot go to war against ourselves can we?
then theres the have/have nots, there is an over abondance in the world but its hordeed by a select few, that must stop as well, people must learn to care about eachother & help eachother & not only help themselves to whatever they can get theyre hands on..
basicaly it can all be accomplished rather easily, if all the people in the world would unite & abolish governemts, mo governments, no lines in the sand..mo lil peoces of paper to give a sence of arbitrary value, instead goods redistributed to where they dothe most good
peace would be simple witout the interference of those who benifit from wars

 

Well said

 

Revolutionary War- Colonists were forced to pay higher and higher taxes, it was about money first and foremost.
Civil War- Slavery was only one issue in the war,high tariffs were of major concern to the southern states. Lincoln only used the Emancipation Proclamation to free slaves as a means of promoting uprisings in the south. (He also suspended Habius Corpus so he could try Confederates without allowing them to even be at the trial. A recent Bush tactic.)
WWI-Rival imperialist powers struggled for bigger portions of the colonial pie. They were fighting over boundaries, colonies, spheres of influence; they were competing for Alsace-Lorraine, the Balkans, Africa and the Middle East. US war planners wanted a piece of the action.
WWII-The US used WWII to maneuver itself into a position of superiority over former imperial rivals in Europe. The US “became the prime purveyor and guardian of global capitalism."
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2002/How-To-Start-A-WarMay02.htm

War is always about money.