- Holy Spirit -

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by RELAYER, Sep 6, 2007.

  1. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    What do you think of this rightoues dude?
    What do you think the Holy Spirit, actually is?
    Because as many people there are in this
    world, there is just as many opinion. And
    I love hearing them all.
    I'll throw mine up on here later.
    Thanks in advance! :)
     
  2. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Ok well, here is mine, copied from another
    thread because I dont have the time currently
    to type all of this in a different way :tongue:

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    .......But until very recently I had not realized just how beautiful
    the Christ is and how badly I misunderstood His messages.

    Though, I doubt many Christians will agree with my views on
    Jesus and God.

    I have figured that the Trinity represents :
    1. God the Father
    *The Cosmic Dreamer of whom we are emnations of, vibrations
    pouring from the Dream that gave us life through our physical
    creation into the material nature of the Universe.
    2. God the Son
    * The Christ Conciousness that is in no way different from Krsna
    Conciousness, other than Krsna spoke very deeply about the
    science of God realization through mediation, and Christ spoke
    on the same thing only in more simpler terms, because of whom
    he was speaking to and the general concious level of understanding
    available at the time. The fact that we may all attain Christhood, that
    we are all Children of God the Father.
    3. The Holy Spirit
    * The Spirit, the Light of God hidden behind the dark matter in space.*
    (*Edit, I dont know why I put dark matter, was I ripped? I meant
    behind, as in permeating ((with love)) the entire scene of existance
    .)
    The Holy Cosmic Vibration of which has always been and is now and
    always will be, so long as our Universes vibration wave lasts. In
    other words, the sound Om, or Aum, or the idea of Brahman in Hindu
    philosophy.

    So, in a way I have been symbolicaly explaining it to people
    lately, I see life, the universe, as a storm on the sea of God's essence.
    We are like the waves on the water caused by the wind.
    And eventually, the wind will die down and the waves will crash
    on the beach for the last time.

    But through my meditation lately, I have felt a presence of Jesus the
    Christ Conciousness Teacher, and a Love, that I have never before
    felt, in any form of mediation.
    But I realized that Jesus does not wish for us to love Him moreso
    than we love all of God's Cosmic Dream reality equally.
    It really is all about love and acceptance, and we may all attain
    the Christ Conciousness, and become Son's of God the Father, and
    gain the Kingdom in our own hearts

    Peace and Love friends, John ~
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  3. Fedora

    Fedora Member

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    Okay Relayer you asked for it and here it is (recently posted on the other thread)


    I believe the Holy Spirit was given to us when Christ left the earth as one of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) and I believe that the Holy Spirit is our guide in the world we hike through giving us direction. He is there to utter our prayers when we are unable, to help us understand the Bible, discern a godly lifestyle from an ungodly lifestyle, and live in our hearts (body being the temple) when we commit to be a follower of Christ. Oh and by discussion I meant arguement sorry for the wrong use of the word.
     
  4. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Thank you very much Fedora, for posting
    this in this thread! :) :) :)
    I like what you say here, about how the
    Holy Spirit utters our prayers to God for
    us. This is directly in line with my own
    thoughts.

    Only thing Im wondering though, if the Holy
    Spirit came when Christ left the Earth, how
    come John and Jesus were filled with the Holy
    Spirit at the His baptism?
     
  5. BlackBillBlake

    BlackBillBlake resigned HipForums Supporter

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    Some occultists say the Holy Spirit should be thought of as femminine. That would make the xian trinity fit in with the trinity of Kabbala.


    Also it would make more sense - you could then have father, mother and son. It's hard to see how god could have begotten anyone otherwise.

    But in the end, I have no idea what the average xian means by it, and I'm not sure they do either.
     
  6. Fedora

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    I understand you are talking of when the Spirit of God descended like a dove at Jesus' baptism. The way I understand it the Holy Spirit has been around since the beginning: God the Creator; Holy Spirit hovering over the waters; Jesus being the Word. What I meant about the Holy Spirit coming when Jesus left was to empower the first century believers as well as believers today. Hope this helps.
    Love and Peace!
     
  7. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Ok I see what you mean now. :)
    I do think, though, that the Word (from John's
    testament, right? I forget :& ) is Aum, Om,
    the sound that we as a physical universe
    are a reverberation of. The inital, before
    the bang, matter created from sound, this
    is hard to explain as it can be heard but
    more importantly it is experienced.
    The direct link between God and Nature, perhaps?
    The layer of love mixed in between the screen
    of ether (back drop of reality, like a movie) and
    the dualistic delusion of maya?
     
  8. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    The Divine Mother you mean?
    Like during kundalini awakening, joining Her with
    Shiva at the lotus of the mind?
    Waking up as God the Dreamer, rather than dully
    existing as Man, the Dreamed.

    I made a thread here about how Jesus could have
    been referring to kundalini yoga when He was
    talking about....hold on I'll find it.
     
  9. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Again, copied from another thread of mine :

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    'And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, that whoever believes in him may have eternal life' (John 3: 14)
    Lifting up the serpent in the wilderness?
    How does this sit with you? Do you have a personal
    interperataion, wether literal or esoteric?
    I tend to see this as Christ referencing the practice
    of yoga. Raising the Kundalini from the base of the
    spine, up through the 7 chakras into the mind, in order
    to attain God-realization.
    Kundalini, from the saskrit root which means 'coil', is
    likened to a serpent that lies dormant in our spine, the
    source of our life energy that is only partially awakened
    normally and concentrated on one or a few chakras, causing
    an imbalance of kundalini energy.
    The chakras, if you arent already aware of their functions,
    are life-energy centers, 7 in all, that exist along our spines
    admist jumbles of nerve connections, and when the energy
    is focused on a specific center, imbalances occur.
    Kundalini awakening is to awaken to Self into God-realization,
    to become One with God rather than an individualized
    ego conciousness seperated from the Self.
    Literally, Kundalini is the cosmic dreamer, and we are the
    dream in the mind of God.
    To awaken our own conciousness in this dream is to be One
    with God.
    Living in the Sun.
    As Christ mentions here, seems to me that He is explaining
    that through yoga we atune to our chakras, all of them at once
    and become first entirley concious of our bodies, and by doing
    so we further awaken the kundalini energy up the spine into
    the 3rd eye chakra (Christ Conciousness) and then up into the
    seventh chakra (Crown chakra) thus merging into the infinite
    bliss of divine soul union with God.
    Sat Chit Ananda.
     
  10. Fedora

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    Ok I see what you mean now. [​IMG]
    I do think, though, that the Word (from John's
    testament, right? I forget [​IMG] ) is Aum, Om,
    the sound that we as a physical universe
    are a reverberation of. The inital, before
    the bang, matter created from sound, this
    is hard to explain as it can be heard but
    more importantly it is experienced.
    The direct link between God and Nature, perhaps?
    The layer of love mixed in between the screen
    of ether (back drop of reality, like a movie) and
    the dualistic delusion of maya? (Quote from Relayer)

    John used the word "Word" to be familiar to both Greeks and Jews. Greek philosophy used the word to define "divine reason", "mind, and "wisdom". The Word is God's powerful self-expression in creation, in wisdom, and in revelation and of course saving grace. John used this word to relate to Christ and be a bridge to both Jews and unsaved Greeks. Jews understood this word from the OT and Greeks from their philosophy. John was relating to Christ's deity and to the second person of the Trinity so both Greeks and Jews could understand.

    I have somewhere to go and will be off line for awhile but will check back in later. It has been a pleasure conversing with you all this evening.

    Peace and Love!!!
     
  11. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Same here Fedora, a pleasure meeting you
    and have a good night. Hope to see you soon :)

    Im going to look up some info on the Word,
    because I have to admit that when it comes
    to the languages and history Im a little bit weak
    in the department.
    But the Word is also prevalent in Vedic (Hindu)
    scripture, though it holds a meaning closer to
    what I posted about Aum. Actually, it is Aum ;)
     
  12. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Of course, this is what I was getting at here.
    The reason for starting this thread was that
    ever since I left the Catholic school system
    in 7th grade, I had wondered about the Holy
    Spirit, fascinated by it moreso than anything
    else in the Bible. And I came to my own
    understanding which evolved the more we
    think of it and share our understandings
    with each other.
    But NEVER did I get a direct answer, from
    anyone, nuns, preists, friends, parents, etc.
    as to what the Holy Spirit actualy IS.
    We know what it does, but what IS IT?!
    Well, thats the point of the thread :tongue:
     
  13. BlackBillBlake

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    Somewhere, William Blake reffered to 'natures serpent bulk' as the physical body of JC which was crucified. For xians, the serpent is a symbol of evil or the devil. For eastern cultures and it seems many early gnostic sects, the serpent symbolizes knowledge.

    I don't know about JC and yoga of any type.

    The reason occultists say the spirit is femminine is based on the diagram known as the Tree of Life which is the bais of the hebrew system known as the kabbala. This diagram, which is thought of as a kind of map of everything from highest to lowest, consists of ten spheres called sephiroth. The highest three are called the three supernals, and they correspond to the divine father, mother and their son. It has to be understood that the language used is entirely symbolic. They are called kether,binah and chokmah.
    There is also another power, thought of again as femminine in nature which in the Kabbala is called the shekhina. The shekhina is thought of as being in exile, and has to ascend the tree of life to rejoin with the source of being. This is all vey similar in many ways to kundalini yoga.
     
  14. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    All WAY very similar to kundalini yoga.
    Ascending a tree to rejoin the scource?
    That is exactly as we are, the spine
    with the feminie serpent energy lying
    dormant at the base chakra, moving
    up into the source and, well we get the
    picture.
    I knew I needed to select the kabbala
    next for study, but now my desire to
    do so has been doubled. No, trippled! ;)

    And remember how Krsna talks about us
    being upturned trees?
    And Jesus saw that one guy (I'll look it up)
    sitting under a tree in a vision, and when
    the guy came to Jesus and Jesus told him
    of the vision, dude was immediatley proclaiming
    Jesus to be the "Son of God"?
    Trees, kundalini's, serpents, something going
    on here lol.
    Now what about that damn apple Adam & Eve
    ate. Soma? Is it a symbol for sex (dance of
    creation) ? hmmm....
     
  15. BlackBillBlake

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    mysterious universe this.....but it's unfolding all this stuff to us all the time:)
     
  16. Nikalaus

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    Holay crap I recently caught on to the fact that life is indeed a Virtual Relaity experiance too dude, but coudnt you have just compared to a game of mario brothers or something? LOL...

    how my head is hurting.
     
  17. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    haha :) Nik how have you been my friend?
    At the basic level, radio and television are very much
    replica's of what the human mind can be capable of
    when the evolutionary process of conciousness is
    advanced. The sending and receiving of broadcast
    signals and the displaying of such intended is indeed
    how the mind functions. The thought's we receive
    are as vibrational frequencies, a certain kind of
    'mind stuff', almost subltely material like in a way,
    and when advanced I would think that we would
    pick up on the thoughts of others (as I have done
    once before, only breifly, and a long story at that
    anyway lol).
    But other products of human desire such as video
    games and virtual reality experiences, are what life
    is like, when a higher conciousness is attained.
    We can view ourselves from ourselves, as my friend
    Yogi Bhairavaji calls "Walking in the Garden of the
    Mind of God." We can view our actions as if we are
    seperated from them, from another perspective, and
    this very perspective IS the mind of God. God is in
    all, and all that we do is actually God's doing. We
    are but a part of the cosmic dance :)
     
  18. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Well FedUp, if you must know why I highlighted 2 posts
    from 2 seperate threads that I personaly made, and
    included them in this thread, the reason is because the
    2 other threads were both contained within the Sanctuary
    forum and I wished to get different opinions.
    And I did, actually, get 3 entirely different conversations
    and perspectives, and I see no problem whatsoever
    with bringing those 2 posts into this thread to give
    further insight into my opinion.
    Which, no offense, is at least original and thought out,
    as compared to your self righteous proclomation that
    there is no good and that we are to be labled as
    crazy.
    That you find what I deem to be important
    to be laughable and that I may be ill of mind is quite
    your opinion and that is fine, but to insult me
    for no reason is actually childish.
    I've not insulted you, and I actually took you to be
    intelligent and rather open minded, but this post of
    yours is simply nothing other than rude.
     
  19. Hibiscusparadiseyogi

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    If you read some of the teachings of the gnostic christians they believe the holy spirit to be the holy mother whom god created, god being thought; she being emotion. Of course I am simplifying this but if you read some of the excerpts from the other gospels that were found with the dead sea scrolls it may give you a fascinating take on how even christians disagreed at the beginning after JC's death.
     
  20. RELAYER

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    FedUp, thank you so much for apologizing, but
    it is ME who should be apologizing actually.
    I felt so stupid after I thought about what I
    responded to you, that I was considering
    deleting my post.
    Wow, now I feel ashamed, AND stupid!
    Very embarassing.
    Let's pretend none of this ever happened, and
    just assume we were both having bad days
    yesterday? Sorry FedUp :(
     

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