For the past several months I have been watching the world around me spin as I walk through my daily life and having come on here and discussed certain topics I have learned some very important things. The main one I have actively been involved in is coming on here and running in like a vigilante soldier trying to prove to everyone there is a GOD. Sighs. totally useless. I appologize for such BS and lack of respect. However, this being said I would like to share with you all what you need to do to understand where we are coming from if you are a non-believer. I mean seriously, If you as a human person go around really thinking that any person who believes there is a GOD, is delusional, or has problems. That is at a very basic form a lack of basic HUMAN REPSECT. I don't care how you cut that pie. It comes back to the same. RESPECT, goes way beyond the written letters, it is a form of emotion that is either present or absent, end of story, either you are open, accepting, and tolerate what a person says, or you don't. There is no grey area with respect, it's black and white. Therefor, freinds. In this spirit of open-ess... For those of you who do NOT believe and would like to have even a small taste of where the said "loonies" are coming from, here's how. 1. OPEN UP. By open up I mean, turn off the tv, stop talking, turn off your brain, and start WATCHING. and no matter how retarded whut you hear may sound try to see that there is something to be LEARNED in all that is around you, and all that goes on around you. GOOD OR BAD, it doesn't matter, something can be learned from all events. Now the peculiar thing about this process, is that in our ultimate thirst for knowledge we tend to BLOCK out what we do not LIKE. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER. Why deny yourself that priveliege at the expense of hardship? THROW DOWN THE FIREWALL, and realize that knowledge is just that, Knowledge and it come from EVERYWHERE. Even from within. 2. Patterns. If you can graduate from step one which can be a mountain in itself for one, you then have to look at the fact that all this web of events and things around you actually have patterns in it. They do. Look beyond the apparent. If you succesfully graduated from step 1, for example, you should not only be able to look at a tree in a three dimensional form that just sits there all day, you should be looking at a tree like a creation with a story that may have been the protection of a deer from its predator, or a tree that will be part os someone's house. It's alive, and it has a story to tell just like anything or anyone else around you. That being said that same tree is now more then a tree... if you were the hunter, that tree became your ENEMY. If you were building a house that same tree is your best freind. Either way that bloody tree is now a peice of a puzzle that is YOUR life. It's part of an overall PATTERN. 3. Consiousness and Desires. If you succesfully, Graduate from step one and two and acknoledge these things in your life. Then comes the hard part. You have to realize that your own desire comes into play. If you are open, and "think" there might be something very powerful at work in your world... then you may start actually "desiring" to find out more. When you do... when you finally have that lil speed bump and say... "maybe" ... dont walk away dont think i'm delusional, go beyond that look back all the work you did to come to this point. TRUST ME, you will think you are cracking up, you'll think you are delusional, you'll think every thing in the world in wrong with this picture. Ignore it, persist, in your very TRUE and PURE desire to want to know just what in the blue F*** is goin on. And when you do. Hang on... Your in for one sweet ride ... In my own humble little old opinion, this is where you will find God. Only if you desire it, if you don't so be it. But, My biggest wish every single person out there is to TRY. If you don't wanna try well so be it at least I threw in my two cents on how it worked for me. Now let's review, I am not trying to prove or disprove God, so don't argue either way. This is my lil old suggestion for anybody who is CURIOUS to try and see the view for themselves where a "believer" is coming from. If you wanna try it. GOOD, if not so be it. Im not trying to RAM my beliefs down anybody's throat, ... I am mearly saying this is how it is for us, I am not judging anybody or saying yippe, or woo hoo, either way. I am simply saying that b4 you call me a LOONIE and throw me in an institution and throw away the key think. B4 you judge think. b4 you talk think, b4 you do anything think. THINK damn it. There will be no PEACE on this planet until we all learn how to use that thing between our ears and THINK. Best Regards to all, And God Speed, Nika
Well I mean I wouldn't put people who believe there are unicorns and people who believe is a God on the same level. What can you do? I mean, is it ignorant or not to question 1000s of years of something, or some 'race' so dedicated to some mystical force? I mean yeah it is kind of annoying to question somebody very religious and then just get blunt answers that really don't tell you shit, or even back themselves off as far as logic goes, but you know what I'm saying? Obviously as a kid growing up you'd be more likely to believe that the creation of the universe is really just that simple, and maybe there is a reason for the miracles that happen everyday without science as the backup plan. Then if you were grown up with that faith brutally put down on your back, well I guess you turn into the modern day ignorant psychotic catholics we have who shove the bible down your throat and claim hell as your destiny if you choose not to follow aswell. So are people with religious faith crazy or not? I guess if death had a better explanation the worries would be gone, maybe. Not everyone with a religious faith is like that either so sorry for the stereotype aswell. ChEERs
respect good word & if religions would just learn to do that then alot more people might seek theyre own answers but you yourself said "and no matter how retarded whut you hear may sound try to see that there is something to be LEARNED in all that is around you, and all that goes on around you." this is true the lesson to be learned however is that if something sounds retarded, it just might be you irge people tothink & i agree but in the case of todays religions the urge is to stop thinking & just believe what yur told i'm not arguing the existence or nonexistence of god just stating that religions & the quest for god have nothing in common and i do think that if you truly desire to find god and were told hes hiding under a rock somewhere by the time youve turned over your 10 millionth rock your desire will drive you insane enough to believe that maggot you found is the creator of all things so, what exactly have you found? i'm thinking you found a story that u can believe conveniently because it allows you to end your search without admitting faliure? otherwise, if you really found god, introduce her to me & to everyone cause im betting alotta ppl got alotta questions for her starting off with what the fucks up with this mess you created, is this some kinda joke?
I found him once! he was behind that big rock over there but seriously, don't assume just because someone has found a different end than you, that they didn't use similar means people can be open, and knowing of patterns, and understanding of their conciseness and desires and still disagree with you if you come in trying to convince people, of anything, try to come in without sounding so arrogant or presumptious
Hi Nik. We swapped some cool posts, and I do think you're onto something, but what you're on isn't the same as everyone else is on. everyone is on their own journey and it looks different to everyone. The way you are trying to 'teach' others how to find God is patronising and egotistical. I have done the same thing and it is the wrong way to go. It must stop and you should just be content with yourself instead of worrying about how other people live and what they believe. You can't do anything to 'speed up' anyone else's journey to wherever. In fact you will only alienate people, the more you think that you and fellow believers are different than people who don't believe the same thing. Even believers all see things differently than each other. It's lonely when your beliefs aren't shared by people around you, but you can't argue your point of view and convince people through logic because it probably isn't completely logical, by the commonly understood meaning of logic ie. deduction of truths from common observations in the consensus reality. Instead, all you can do is be an example and live in the spirit of joy in what you believe. Forget trying to explain your beliefs. People aren't receptive to it. The only important thing is love. Everyone is receptive to that. I know this thread is precisely about trying to explain the existence or non -existence of god, but humility goes along way towards winning people over aswell. No one has the complete ultimate truth, but only a vision that is distorted to some degree. We're all fellow travellers. There is always more to learn, so why should anyone listen to someone who thinks they know it all? What we don't know is more interesting than what we do know.
^^ very well said technicaly, if there is in fact a god, we are all on a path to god right? but we all find our own ways, thatscalled life..life is our path to god, the way youve lived yours is not right for how i live mine & vice versa you can explain your experiences along YOUR path but you cannot expect others to follow your footsteps were all headed to thesame place by many roads, some smoothly paved others hard to follow, but in theend we arrive at the samedestination..death..& if theresa god creature waiting there then hes there for all of us btw couldnt delusional be defined as a belief in the unreal? not sayin ya are but shouldnt the possibility that you are be equaly examined?
You, your ego consciousness, is a literal dream in the mind of God. When you re-trace this dream to its source within your own consciousness by means of an awakened Kundalini, you, the dreamed, wake up from the dream as the dreamer, who is God. All of reality is the mind of God, the immanant absolute. Don't be concerned with who does or doesn't believe in God. God directs all to or away from awareness of His reality. Instead, strive to become an actual divine realized being, beyond the cognitive or faith structure.
"When you re-trace this dream to its source within your own consciousness by means of an awakened Kundalini, you, the dreamed, wake up from the dream as the dreamer, who is God." That's funny... I have no Idea what you said there I dont even know how to spell Kundalini... did i get it right? Anyhoo I kinda already caught on to the fact that life is just some big Holographic experience no need for meditation or anything extreme to figure that out. It's just the most rational explannation for things I already Knew were true. And Snake and Soaring, yah yah I know Stop worrying about the others. But How am I supposed to, this is stuff is sooo much fun, it actually makes life tolearable and liveable. Why not try to share it? Yah I know what worked for me worked for me and it certainly may or may not make sense to anybody else I know this... but EGAD. What does a brother do? Bah your all right i suppose, If Skip should read this just delete the thread. Thank you.
I have done a lot of this... I do observe the world around me. Except I didn't completely turn off my brain, so that I CAN learn. Yes, you are right. There are patterns in everything. And yes, all this has driven me to a big desire to know what the F*** is goin on. This is why I have and am studying physics. I want to know how the universe works. And even though I doubt we'll ever really know, I am very curious to know how the heck this universe came from nothing. But despite it's flaws, I think the scientific method, coupled with theoretical physics are the best tools we have to answer these questions. Religion qualifies as theoretical physics. But it doesn't pass the scientific method, so its use is very limited. Galileo's persecutors eventually found this out when it became obvious that the Earth isn't the center of the universe. And Genesis is not the story of creation either. When theories are tested by the scientific method and pass experimental scrutiny we can learn from them and move on to the next step and continue to refine our understanding of the universe. If theories do not pass scrutiny, we must admit it's the wrong path, no matter how much we want to believe it, and get back on track if we desire the truth.
To Dejavu,You don't approach God realization with thought, and belief is thought. This obstacle is what has all religionists blocked off from any form of divine realization, and always will. For your information, the ancient Yogins of India who have handed down the Yoga Tantra tradition for thousands of years, live and breath an accomplished awareness of the immanent absolute as God, as do I. Do not make the mistake of expressing the unreality of something, just because you have no awareness of it. By the way, the consciousness you possess as you look in the mirror, is an exemplification of the hologram that is coming directly from the mind of God, within your very being. Believe what you want, you're the one in thought. To the others, the Kundalini Devi in descent manifests the Maya experience of our finite minds. The Kundalini in ascent reverses this state, as when She connects to the divine self that is currently animating your pranic holographic experience of finite self. This is the awakening from the dream context I mentioned. Then you experience yourself a who you really are, in oneness with and as the source divine mind of and as the divine self of reality. This ain't no rocket science ya'll, God is close, real close. But if it is your karma for this reality to remain hidden from you, maybe for the rest of your life, then that is the way it is. Seek and you shall find.
