Progress seen in Iraq

Since the troop surge and tactical change, the US is seeing some progress in certain areas in comparison to a year ago.

 

If you believe that Wacky I have a bridge I can sell you.

 

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The U.S. death rate has been consistent overall and has been increasing slowly over the years, although there are brief peaks and valleys occasionally.





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Civilian killings in Iraq plunge in September: government

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071001/ts_nm/iraq_civilians_dc

I'm not optimistic, but this story does make claims that peace and love is going to break out as soon as the US leaves seem completely dishonest.

 

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If things are so good than we should be able to stage a pull out? NO?

 

That's the opposite of what I just said, but yeah, whatever.

 

Corect me if I'am wrong but wouldn't cheaper oil and gas prices be a good indicator of the effectiveness of this surge? Oil has gone up since the Iraq invasion because production is being made more difficult with the war.

 

If Iraq were the single factor which determines the world oil price then yes. But it isn't. Gas, even less so.

 

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You are right, Iraq produces only a small portion of the worlds oil. But wait, one of the largest producers in OPEC, second only to Saudi Arabia is.......Iran!! And we are now looking at invading Iran. Iraq seems like a stepping stone to the get to the big dogs. Who will control the wells we capture? Halliburton?

Iraq does not influence oil prices, those who speculate and buy futures do. And they are influenced by excuses for raising prices. Like war, peace is bad for business.

 

Well we invaded Iraq twice and got no oil, we invaded Kuwait and got no oil, my guess is that the oil thing is just a catchy anti war slogan.

Also you have to remember that every industry except the oil industry loses from more expensive oil. So apparently the other 90% of big business is getting cheated and they have nothing so say about it? Not likely.

 

You sure about that Pepik? Just what does "got oil", mean to you?

 

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Halliburton profits, not only from oil, but they also have contracts to provide construction and military support services - a triple-header of wartime spoils. This companies ties to the current administration are well known and documented. Also remember that investments in oil futures profit hugely from high prices.

 

Pepik is actually right in saying that it isn't about oil, and that it's just another left-wing talking point people like to repeat because of their mass-media conditioning. At the same time, he won't talk about the real reasons for this war and the ones to come.

As I have said, it's all about standardizing these countries and bringing them under the control of the big banks and their fiat system of credit and debt. Oil is but a small fraction of it. They want to invade these countries under the guise of installing "democracy," which really means installing a puppet government that is subservient to the banking establishment that essentially runs the world. In order to do this in a way where people accept it, they have to create imaginary boogeymen who are supposedly out to get us. In order for them to not get us over here, we must go over there and kill innocent people in the name of stopping "terrorism."

Once they control these countries, THEN can they control the flow of oil, and they will control the flow of oil by limiting the flow of oil. This will create artificial scarcity, which will send the prices soaring even higher.

So yes, oil does have something to do with it, but that's only part of it.

Both the Right and the Left have their own talking points that are marketed to them, which people in turn parrot without thinking much about. Of course neither of the reasons they give you are the real reasons we're over there, which you're not supposed to know about. To say it's about oil simply sounds more acceptable compared to the real reasons the public is not given by the media.

 

Good morning. It's called imperialism, military and economic manipulation of other countries, and the U.S. has a rich history of it. It usually goes unquestioned by the general public, because most are socialized through 12 years of school to be patriotic and to not question politicians but rather defend them and their policies, not even knowing why they are defending them.

When people do start to question, more patriotic facade is used to cover up the underlying motives. Unfortunately, most people fall for it unless it's something that starts affecting them directly.

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I think you hit the nail on the head shaqqie. This manipulation of other countries is what makes the US a prime target for attacks by those tired of being under Americas boot heel. Thus giving the government more patriotic fodder to go after these "terrorists".

 

Iraq already had a fiat currency you robot.

Well HTH if you believe something is true just because Bush says it, you're pretty stupid. What is the "strategic flow of oil"? I'll tell you. Before we overthrew Saddam, Iraq sold the oil and we bought it. Now that we've invaded and conquered the place, they sell the oil and we buy it - another great victory for american imperialism. That's OK though, the point is just keep repeating 'war for oil' and eventually your brain shuts off and you start to believe it.

 

I am referring to the fiat money system of the internationalist bankers, you dope.