Parallel universes exist

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  1. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    Nah I'm serrious, here's something to wrap your mind around when you're stoned:

    Parallel universes exist - study

    Parallel universes really do exist, according to a mathematical discovery by Oxford scientists described by one expert as "one of the most important developments in the history of science".

    The parallel universe theory, first proposed in 1950 by the US physicist Hugh Everett, helps explain mysteries of quantum mechanics that have baffled scientists for decades, it is claimed.

    In Everett's "many worlds" universe, every time a new physical possibility is explored, the universe splits. Given a number of possible alternative outcomes, each one is played out - in its own universe.

    A motorist who has a near miss, for instance, might feel relieved at his lucky escape. But in a parallel universe, another version of the same driver will have been killed. Yet another universe will see the motorist recover after treatment in hospital. The number of alternative scenarios is endless.

    It is a bizarre idea which has been dismissed as fanciful by many experts. But the new research from Oxford shows that it offers a mathematical answer to quantum conundrums that cannot be dismissed lightly - and suggests that Dr Everett, who was a Phd student at Princeton University when he came up with the theory, was on the right track.

    Commenting in New Scientist magazine, Dr Andy Albrecht, a physicist at the University of California at Davis, said: "This work will go down as one of the most important developments in the history of science."

    According to quantum mechanics, nothing at the subatomic scale can really be said to exist until it is observed. Until then, particles occupy nebulous "superposition" states, in which they can have simultaneous "up" and "down" spins, or appear to be in different places at the same time.

    Observation appears to "nail down" a particular state of reality, in the same way as a spinning coin can only be said to be in a "heads" or "tails" state once it is caught.

    According to quantum mechanics, unobserved particles are described by "wave functions" representing a set of multiple "probable" states. When an observer makes a measurement, the particle then settles down into one of these multiple options.

    The Oxford team, led by Dr David Deutsch, showed mathematically that the bush-like branching structure created by the universe splitting into parallel versions of itself can explain the probabilistic nature of quantum outcomes.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=paUniverse_sun14_parallel_universes&show_article=1&cat=0


    Think of that, a better version of you might exist somewhere
     
  2. King Kamikaze

    King Kamikaze Member

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    I actually got stoned with a friend the other day, and we just started talking about this. I've realized though, that there would have to be an infinite or at least unmeasurable amount of instances. I still haven't decided if I agree that life, is probabilistic, or a pre-determined function of physics. I do believe that our existance comes from a coincidence on a universal scale. Yes, Outer space fucked up, and created a temporarily inhabitable place for these weird fucking things to grow on a big spining rock.

    Anyway, My point is that for there to be one "Parallel Universe", there would have to be a parallel universe for the probability-based action of every particle and beyond. Not saying it's impossible, because I really have no clue. But I think it would be impossible to calculate every possible parallel instance.

    P.S. This is just free-base thinking. I don't like...research this stuff. I just think about it logically and make assumptions. Eventually I learn if the assumptions based on the knowledge of my 17 years as a highly analytical youth, are correct or not. If so, I apply them deeper. If not, I abandon them. So if someone thinks I'm way off, say so, and please do your best to point out flaws.

    : |
     
  3. skierdood

    skierdood Space For Rent

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    Impossible to calculate and impossible are two different things. Just because its impossible to calculate doesnt mean its impossible to actually be going on.
     
  4. drugy420

    drugy420 Member

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    wow i do beliv thare is on but no a infinat number like a coin flipp lands on heads her thare it lands on tails ya know one and two not many like that states but if that were true all religon would be wrong cuz god couldent possibly wach over allof this
     
  5. M4N14C42O

    M4N14C42O Cannabis Connoisseur

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    ^^do we really have bring "god" into this??
     
  6. mr.greenxxx

    mr.greenxxx Not an Average Bear

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    thats religious folk for ya, always pushing theyre god shit everywhere xD

    so is deja vu like a fault, where you have two same parralel universes merge andyou catch a slight glimse and feel of the other side? this shit is really intriguing but im not really that convinced, not disaproving, just not convinced o.o
     
  7. StonerBill

    StonerBill Learn

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    umm god is limitless, it ties in fine with parallel universes.


    this thread is very odd. first, this descovery is not a proof, and it has nothing to do with existance. no one can say that there ARE parallel universes. no one could ever proove that they existed, or that they didnt exist. the universes do not interact with eachother, or they would actually be a single universe.

    another problem with the way this has been set out is that the universe doesnt 'split' after a certain point. the multiverse considers that absolutely every electron and quantum state could be in absolutely any possible state, and thus there is a theoretical universe that corresponds to every possible state. they always existed independently.

    this is old news. its not even high-level thinking, its just a logical following from the fact that the dumbasses over at quantum research cant explain their inability to predict quantum states
     
  8. Tommy1The1Cat

    Tommy1The1Cat Senior Member

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    There is proof! Watch the episode of Futurama when they find their parallel universe its all true! lol
     
  9. whitlam

    whitlam Member

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    Sort of like the Big General Mish Mash Theory in Douglas Adams' Hitcherhikers Guide Books
     
  10. mynameisjake07

    mynameisjake07 Banned

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    I read it and I personally am not to convinced. Just the fact that I think its completely ludacris. I look at all theories though and dont call them out until I've looked at all the info....and to something they have no proof of...well its hard for me to believe.
     
  11. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Well considering that memory is stored in
    protein, there is always the chance that
    we, in a way, 'inherit' memory. Or, if you
    see reality as I do, our source of
    conciousness is in tune with much more
    than the moment to moment and we
    occaisionaly gain intuitive perception
    regarding that which is happening at a
    moment as having been precognized, or
    familiar. Or, it could be because our
    undeveloped human minds are wired like
    jungle gyms and sometimes communication
    crosses over into emotion/sensation
    causing confusion and other states of
    mind that our not familiar to us yet.
    Theres many things it could be, but I've
    noticed that the more I practice meditation
    and yoga, the more deja vu like states
    come to me
     
  12. killswitchjd

    killswitchjd Senior Member

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    u think wat u want. I believe what I see and test with logic in MY WORLD. the REAL WORLD
     
  13. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    What's a weird thought is that if this is true that means in another universe there's another you that might be saying the same thing.
     
  14. RELAYER

    RELAYER mādhyamaka

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    Inuition is a gift that if you posses some, you
    can work on training it to guide you and to
    allow you to see beyond what you can only
    see with your eyes.
    Of course, not everyone has this perception
    and not everyone should, but those of us whom
    have had vast insight due to exercizing the
    3rd eye as its come to be called, have literally
    sensed, felt, and seen conscious states and
    planes that while they are in front of, behind,
    within and without you, are also light years
    away :)
     
  15. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

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    We do inherit memory, there's a prescribed list of things we already know at the moment we are born I read about this a long time ago, but I forgot the name they used to describe the term. I think it was called the Collective uncoscious and had a close relation to our instincts.
    Today I had the most enduring deja vu I've experienced until this time. When I returned back to class from my exam, I knew exactly what the teacher was going to say and how he was going to say it, it was like living a memory. Where I was sitting, the clothes people were wearing, everything, but I know for a fact that I've never sat in that place before (I dont like sitting in the front, but I was late to class), but somehow I could visualize everything a second before it took place.
     
  16. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

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    Do you mean intuition? or is it something else?
    If it's intuition, I think we all have it, of course some more developed than others but the tricky part is actually listening to it.
     
  17. asilos vulnerado

    asilos vulnerado Senior Member

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    What exactly defines the possibilities? If a universe is splitting than what are the different possible outcomes in each situation? I think this whole idea goes way deeper than anyone has tried to explain

    If its not just a set of possibilities (I think thats what the article was saying?) and every possible outcome occurs in a parallell universe than there would be an infinite number of universes. Think of a simple movement like moving your hand. Now imagine every other possible line your hand could have moved through, its infinite. Then think about a split in physics where our "laws" of physics exist in every other possible form in more paralell universes. In one of these you hand moving could literally be doing ANYTHING. I could be getting this completely wrong, but its just my thoughts.

    And actually, what about matter in general? The elements that make up our known physical universe could be split into things absolutley unimaginable in paralell universes.
     
  18. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

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    This is exactly what I thought when I read this. They are just infinite possibilities for every single thing that we can do and what I was wondering how does it follow through those entire different outcomes. I just have this fragmented image of that what you just said and I think is too much to think on, because they just NEVER end.
     
  19. asilos vulnerado

    asilos vulnerado Senior Member

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    ^^^hahaha, I know!!
    The way I thought about it was moving my arm acouple inches in a straight line
    Then I realized that not only was the simple movement potentially infinite in its fine details but that I could very well turn into a fish before I finished moving my arm! hahahaha, I actually think the article was saying that htere are only afew possible but random movements, but it could still be similar if splitting were to occur as laws of physics slowly evolve and progress- which is aguable (physics evolving), but I don't particularly feel like arguing:)
     
  20. whatshappenin23

    whatshappenin23 Banned

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    The original poster that said something about god didnt even sound religious he sounded like he wanted to use this to disprove god...I actually find that people who have contempt for religion are most likely to bring up God in conversation, maybe just the piss people off or who knows...
    my take on it...if this was true, in my mind it could ONLY be the work of god if you feel me
     

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