Racist Jews

Did I say that i had my mind made up on the subject...no..discussing something doesn't mean you have come to a conclusion....how else can you learn about something, other than reading about something,or discussing it with others...if you can't see it for yourself


Frankly, I'm pissed off that you jumped down my throat and made a generalization about me simply because I said anyone has a right to discuss or comment on any issue.

Now I am going to make a generalization about you...since my rich parents didn't send me over to Isreal to see for myself, and because I don't have the time or money to go now..I rely on DISCUSSION to to help inform me on the topic.

and my opinion is, both sides have done absolutely barbaric things to one another.

I have the RIGHT to think what i want, even if you disagree.

 

land was robbed? if that was the case the Native Americans would be bombing US capitals and shit. Tell them to grow up.

And for those of you in other countries, what makes you so special? All that land wasnt always that countries.

 

settle down, dont get your knickers in a twist, I was more annoyed at the guy who started this thread than with you, and although I don't like your comment about how you'll say whatever you want (regardless of wether you will offend anyone or not) this is the internet so I really dont care, lets just agree to disagree.

 

The starter of this thread is from Ireland......


please learn to take Americans on an individual basis, i'm sure you would be annoyed if there was some terrible stereotype of New Zealanders, and people were constantly generalizing about it......there are 300 million people here,and I'll be the first to admit that many of them are willingly falling into the stereotype, but there are plenty of us who don't as well

 

i know.

one of the smartest people I know was an American girl who came and lived in NZ for about 6 months. Mind you she got sent home by breaking every single rule in the exchnage students guideline book. That wasnt too smart

 

This thread is retarded, Isreal borders are all nations that want to see the distruction of the country. I don't mean to me racist or whatever but Islam is a very dangerous and controling faith. Isreal i don't think will have peace there in my life time. I'm just happy i live in a country where are city buses and hotels and restaurants are not being blown up regularly. I have no problem with Isreal position, they were attack hard in the late 60's, they repelled the attack and took land. And you know what most arab stats around that area want nothing to do with palestines. The camps in Lebanon treated much worse then the Isrealis have.

 

So it's different because it was a long time ago? And the simple fact is: Jews are in their original homeland. The Romans took it, Arabs took it, now the Arabs gota suck it up because the Jews came back to town.

Arabs are pissed because they lost. They're pissed because the Jews came back and RECONQUERED their own land. So really, the Jews are in their right place. So yes, I'll tell them to grow up. I'd tell them to stop being such a little bitch about it. Tell them that they stole that land from the Romans, who stole it from the Jews and now they're back where they started.

Little fuckers just want a reason to blow something up. I hope Israel does their shit right and takes over that entire region.

 

What a fucking tit.

 

that's a hot topic. I mean, it's a burning topic.

No point of view, just an example. Sharon just said that France was antisemite, and therefore, every jew had to leave france to israel as soon as possible. I live in france. What should i think? I have jew friends that think this point of view is stupid!!!

the question is: can jews become nazis?

 

who said land belongs to anyone? when all humans will burn in the flames of there stupid pride, who will it belong to? Ants?

 

Until then the land belongs to the humans that have settled it.

 

My friend and the men of his family are in the I.D.F., so I've been to Israel many a time, on a free ride, nonetheless. What you find very quickly is that both sides are just as right and just as wrong. The Israelis have innocent bystanders, and the Palestinians have innocent bystanders, but you also have extremists on both sides. You have the Palestinian militants attacking Israelis constantly, but on the other end of the spectrum you also have Israeli militants. I mean, Mossad (Israeli intelligence) has been known to have captured political opponents and have them murdered. How about the Qibya massacre, or the Qana massacre in 1996? Ofcourse, if you were paying attention, those Mossad agents, they were "freedom fighters" while the members of the P.L.O are terrorists.

You have to understand that neither side is right nor wrong. The Jews believe it's their land because it was promised to them by God. The Palestinians believe it is their land because they have been settled in this land since the Jewish Diaspora during the Roman invasions. The Jews didn't really return to the land in any significant numbers until the British mandate(1948) or actually, a few years before the mandate when there was strong Zionist pressure for a "Jewish Homeland in Palestine", mainly due to anti-semitism during World War II.

Palestinians don't believe that the Jews any longer have a claim to the land, and frankly, I think it's only natural to resist occupation in land you believe is now rightfully yours, after all "God" has nothing to do with geopolitics, no matter how sensitive a subject that may be. With all that said, however, I don't believe it's anyone's place to even comment on the plight of either side, unless that person happens to be Palestinian or Israeli. It shows an arrogant sense of entitlement, in my opinion, for anyone outside the situation (no matter how many times you've taken your insignificant vacations there) to pass judgement on either side, or to call one side a terrorist while another side is a "freedom fighter".

 

Just so that you know my credentials.... I've been learning about Israel (admittedly with a jewish, zionist bias) since I was 9 years old. However, at least I am aware of this bias and do my best to critically think.
I am currently IN israel and have been since january of 2004. I have family here. I have visited here many times before this and plan to come back here after I have to return home (to new zealand).

Right.

Just to correct a few facts... Zionism as a political movement was not "mainly due to anti-semetism during World War II". It was actually started as a political movement long before then. Theodore Herzl, the 'grandfather' of political zionism wrote several books, among them "the Jewish State" and "OldNewLand" in the late 1800's. The First Zionist Congress was held in 1897 which was the true beginning of widespread Zionism around the world. THIS is when pressure for a jewish state was started in the political arena rather then just the religious "waiting for the messiah to come" arena.

There were three Aaliyot (lit. "going up", meaning returning to the land of Israel) before 1930, the first in 1882, before zionism even entered the political arena. The first Kibbutz, Deganya, the institution that built israel as a country, was started in 1903...

Anti-semetism in Europe was not the cause of the push for a jewish state. The right to self-determination was the cause. "From a social class to a country" was a quote from David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister of Israel and its very very apt. The Jews are a nation, a nation that has been scatterd for almost 2000 years. But that doesn't take away our right to a country and our right to decide for ourselves how we are to live.



ON THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE POINT OF VIEW: Israel is doing some truly disgusting things to the Palestinian people. I believe in the CONCEPT of a state of Israel but not in its current manifestation... Israel is fucked up. We need to change things drasticly. That is what I am here to do, it is what my youth movement Habonim Dror (the builders of freedom) are trying to do. Change Israeli society and Israel so that we can start living in peace with our neighbours and show them the respect that they deserve.

I hope you can see what I'm trying to say here. The jews have a right to a state. We aren't ruling the world through the media or the World Bank (in fact, Israel has a terrrrrrrrible economy). But Israel is far from perfect. It needs to change. but that doesn't negate its right to exist.

-Tamsyn

 

The real question that I believe is valid is, what kind of state do you want Israel to be, a Jewish state or a Democratic state. As both together, there is this huge issue of maintaining a Jewish majority.


Israel is a democratic country but there are some real issues with society when only about 80% of the popultation (Jews, Druze and Bedowins [who choose to go]) have to go to the army and recieve benifits once completed. There are many more examples of this which I can go into.


And back to the question that I posed above, By having a Jewish state, you eradicate this whole demographics game that is currently going on, and by having a Democratic state, the majority will rule, and that wont be the Jews in a couple of years.

 

Racism (in a way) was started by the jews. It was "their chosen family or ancestors". And the first ever Ghetto was formed by the jews themselves in Italy.
yet, they are still genetically a part of the Arabs (the Sami race, whence the word Semitism was derived), whom they still choose to despise.

 

Racists come from all walks of life. Christians,Jews,Athiests,Lawyers,Politicians,Mechanics,Stay at home moms...

 

I can't believe Taylor did that to my subject matter. Turned everything I said into her own words. I never said Zionism started in the '40s and I know of Herzl. I'm not an uneducated moron. I said that the strong push for the Israel state started with anti-semitism during World War II. Before that it was simply zionist "nationalists", there wasn't a big following, nor was there any major W.A.S.P. favoratism before this. Balfour requested a Jewish state in 1917, nothing really happened, and then after Hitler comes along and kills millions of Jews, the Jews magically get alotted 51% of the area of Palestine. Don't kid yourself as to how it happened.

And when did I ever say the Jews owned the media, or anything else as a collectivity? I think you're insane, man.