Foreign labor

What are your thoughts on non visa, non EU immagrants getting jobs and housing assistance in the UK?? Is it just no biggie, or is there a moral problem...And, where can I get a good job! haha I need to make some quid (2 times stronger than the US dollar!)

 

There are strict controls on what access new migrant workers have to the provisions of the welfare state - they have to have worked for a certain amount of time, be established and pay taxes etc. We have a serious skills shortage in many areas and plenty of low-paid jobs remain unfilled. I don't particularly care where someone comes from - if they're prepared to move to a new country to seek work, do the jobs the natives of that country aren't prepared to do or fill much needed highly skilled job vacancies, and to pay taxes to that country, then they're more than welcome. Immigration is of course a net contributor to the economy, and it's only right that these valued and important contributors to British cultural and economic life, once they are established, have the same rights and safeguards that all British workers and taxpayers do.

 

I'm not a racist, I welcome immigrants....

 

I hate it when people complain about immigrants coming to the UK - brits have been practically everywhere so what right do we have to complain?

 

BTW i know youre not complaining about it... Just asking

 

There's a great quote I heard from a song about middle England called 'Velociraptor stole my tractor'. The song was shit, but one line stuck in my mind and that was:

"You want me out of your country, well you came to mine first..."

 

aww .. shucks ... thanks

 

Sorry, I meant to say, unless they're white....

 

i see how it is. bet next you'll be saying only ones that can't speak English either. :tongue:


*edit*

oh wait, i might fall into that category

 

Our country is in a mess, there is too much strain on the system. Of course, we do welcome some foreign people Eu on not to come and help our economy. But then amongst some of the good immigrants, you get the bad ones. The ones who initiate gang child sex rings and lots of new weapons etc. Britain has to get the balance right. I read up on an article in the newspapers about the way Britain is an open door. I am sceptical. I believe that Britain needs tighter border controls or needs to reconsider some applicant procedures.


We do need foreign people to boost the economy, but I feel we have enough already.

 

Hehe, but theyre not stock, to be used to our advantage or halted when we "have enough already". Theyre human beings. Earthlings. People who have been born to this planet and who therefore share the land with all of us

Sure, that may sound like an idealist point of view, but the other end of the scale is racism or unfairness

The whole worlds overpopulated...if were feeling a bit cramped on this island, thats the problem

its a lot more complicated than this though, obviously

 

Don't care one way or the other

 

I disagree. Why should Britain roll out the red carpet for immigrants whilst locals (brits) get left to fend for themselves?

If we were bigger than america and this was the 1960's, I might have supported foreign labour. I think that equality needs to be for everyone. Not just foreigners, but us aswell. I am sure immigrants would want it that way aswell. There intention is to help Britain, but at the same time, not put locals outside the jobmarket. It is all about balance, fairness and realisticness. the problem is, britain is a small country with too many people in it. This leads to house shortages, strains on the system and a great divide between foreigners and locals. This is because the government roll out the red carpet, whilst leaving locals to fend for themselves. Is this your kind of Britain?

 

my grandma was from the UK, do you think I could get a visa?

 

You could get a visa, I'm pretty sure. I think citizenship would be harder. Where do you currently live?

 

now i am only commenting based on my own interpretation of the facts that my own environmental situation has allowed me... but...
i would say that immigrants (especially polish where i work) are fullfilling a gap in the job market.. the problem with english people is that dont want to work for minimum wage.. when infact if you have a reasonably non extravagant lifestyle.. minimum wage is enough to get by on.. imigrants will work happiliy for minimum wage.. because where they come from its a shite load of money.. we have too much pomposity in england... "i'm not working for 5.50 an hour" but then someone else will... you either want a job or you dont.. stop winging about it and take the job or an imigrant is gonna take it instead.

all this immigrants stealing job is nonsense.. uk citizens are giving the jobs away because they think they are worth more than they are.

imo

 

The answer, really, is to raise the minimum wage. I welcome immigrants into the country, but it's important that they're not used as a means for companies to push down average wages. That can only be avoided by keeping workers unionised, strengthening the formal sector and raising the minimum wage. The other trouble, often, is that the people who complain most about immigrants are people who don't have sufficient skills or qualifications to compete in a more globalised workforce. Partly the blame can be placed at the door of the education system, perhaps, but a lot of it (and I realise I'm in danger of sounding like a Tory here) does come down to values. That's not to say people are becoming workshy, I don't think that's the case. But there's definitely an anti-education ethic amongst sections of the working class, the ASBO generation, whereby people might drop out of school at 16 or younger with little in the way of qualifications and then come to regret that decision by the time they reach 20 and find that the modern labour market is not what it was in their parents' generation. The blame for this cannot be placed on migrant labour just because immigrants are better qualified. Government needs to do a lot more to discourage the anti-educational ethic, and this will not be rhemedied simply by teaching middle class values, it has to be addressed by tackling serious issues of poverty or what Labour now likes to call social exclusion....

 

your grandma wouldn't even have to be in the UK if you wanted a visa. it depends on what you want to do really. do you want to visit, travelabout for awhile and possibly support yourself? do you just want to come and stay for a few months and have your own necessary means to provide for yourself? do you want to go to school over here? do you want to work and live over here? (this last one is completely different to the visit/travelabout/and need to support yourself question)

depending on what you want to do, depends on how easy/hard it is to obtain a visa. if you just want to come and visit for a few months and have money saved so no need to work, it is quite easy to come over, just be honest and tell them (when they ask) what your intentions are. you'd just have to have a place to live and (when they ask) tell them that you have enough money to sustain yourself for the few weeks you are visiting. you can gain a temporary visa from the US for a 6 months stay in a year. this means, if you stay for 6 months in one go, you can't come back for another 6 months.

there are other methods though, depending on what sort of stay you were talking about. some are harder, some are easier ... it never hurts to try, if you've got nothing to lose.

 

I saw Newsnight/fivelive simulcast.

They were talking about how this government has literally left the front door open. As a result, Britain has become "saturated" and "flooded". I was open minded about all of this. I do believe that we need a five year freeze, see who we have already in our Country.
Then we can look at importing more immigrants when there is a gap in the job market.
For me personally, this immigration issue has actually got me concerned. So I am now looking at any job going. Even if it is part time. As long as I have a job.

It is all about balance. I don't think anyone who says, "lets put limits on immigration", is being racist or neo nazi. If people really want to see what Neo nazi is. Flick over to News24 and see the news on Neo Nazi. I don't believe British people are like that. They are quite welcome and tolerant. But now we are getting uncontrolled immigration. Tensions are rising. And it is pretty serious. I too believe Enoch Powell was right. I think he was a visionary, someone who for once had a braincell. Unfortunately his views are not welcome. Because even the word Immigration, has become a racist term. As bad as the N word. (Which I won't repeat here).

In the general public (ignoring the media) Many people actually are starting to revolt against the sacking of the Politician who went and broke the mould and agreed with Enoch Powell.

The issue is Numbers and how much the system can take. Also we need to look at how immigration affects social cohesian and our identity. I don't think it is racist to be patriotic. I think National pride is one of the greatest things about Human beings.
Obviously we have freeflow traffic from the EU states. Obviously they can come and go like we can come and go into their countries and live and work.

Which makes me wonder whether we should have joined the EU at all

 

Were you watching the same Newsnight debate I was? I think one right-wing commentator might have mentioned that, but the range of the debate was much more diverse, taking in the benefits to the economy as well - and there is a net benefit - and no one proposed stopping immigration entirely. I don't think everyone who says they want to control immigration is a racist, but a lot of people who say they want to end immigration are racists. Most BNP members might not be neo-Nazis these days, but you don't have to be a neo-Nazi to be a racist. Indeed, anyone who starts a sentence with the words 'I'm not racist, but' is probably a complete and utter racist indeed. And John, if Enoch Powell was right, where are these rivers of blood? You could site the riots in Bradford and Oldham in 2001, I suppose, but those were themselves stirred up by the BNP in communities that had a long history of harmonious co-existence. Perhaps we should deport racists instead, I think Britain would be much better off without them....