How do you deal with the 'omg im the new messiah must tell world' feeling

Wakey, wakey!!
It is so beautiful to see that there is so many people feeling and thinking like one!!
When I was reding the book "The Mystery of the Crystal Skulls", my hart was braking and it was painfull, almost cried, just because I looked at 2012 like the "end of the world". I looked at it from the perspective of plenty of people that we are trying to wake up now. I was feeling sory for our kinds that they have just few years to live, that humanity will vanish........ But then through psycodelics I realized that I can't wait for 2012, as finally I am looking at it from the right perspective. They are all saying that 2012 the World WE KNOW will disapear, global awakening will happen and Golder era will start. So, just few years ago, if you find one person that will understand what you are saying, you could consider yourself lucky, but look now at these forums, web sites, even it started on normal TV, there is so many people wakeing and, delighted by the feeling, they also try to awake as much as possible. Oneness is bigger than ever, I would say, or just because of new technology of communication, we are able to realize that there are so many others who share the love of one. Maybe it is just evolution, and who doesn't wake up will miss another cycle of what we call life, I guess we will not find out untill we make a trasition in to another dimension. Maybe I am confusing you, but I am still under something beautifull that I went through this week, specially on DMT and I still can't find words to explain it. I will just tell you one detail and maybe you can add in your words something about it. When I hit DMT, I was holding my breath as long as I could, and longer I was holding it stronger the trip was. In next second 3 little creatures came from my side and they asked me to go with them and find out something the most important, but I musn't relise the air and start breading. There were no words, they were comunicating with me using some kind of telephaty, but it was a clear ultimatum, you eighter die and come with us and the biggest secret will not be the secret for you any more, or continue to bread and live. So at first, I just decided to go with them and we started going somwhere amazing, can't really find the words, and suddenly I just got the feeling about my family, kid, friends and relised the air. Immidately I was back in the room. The whole this "trip" lasted just 10-15 seconds, but I head a feeling that it was hours, actualy, the time doesn't exist there, you can't say how long it lasted, because there everything is happening at once, overlaping, there is no future, past presence, they all exist simultaniously. I am still hit with that feeling, so strong, feeling that you are given choise to live the life we know, or to make a transition, just like that.
The whole week I've been tripping and so many other things and discoveries happened that just confirm all that what you already mentioned, but this one was the strongest thing I ever expirienced. I need some time to understand other things, but as i do, I will post them here.
Love you all!

 

i believe quantum theory is a mistake and string theory is not even science at all.

but i believe in the material world. perhaps some people are chosen in this world to experience spiritual awakenings and other people arent? i have never had any remotely spiritual experience.

i only experience my senses and emotions and they tell me a lot about the world and about how i relate to the world but i have never experienced anything that made me doubt the start and end of life, or any force that is not bound by the powdery, energised world around us.

my moments of epiphany are most humble as i get older, the more i have, the more it makes me think about what i still have not learned. instead i like to try and use my understanding to improve my life, with the philosophy that people want to know what is in the minds of people who have good lives.

 

whatever you have to say to the world is important. not everyone will want to hear what you have to say (if you want to see what it is like to be an honest person who gets attacked for it read some of my posts in this forum). whatever it is that you have to say to the world say it. any realization that is truly enlightened will be rejected by most - the reason for this is because most of the people alive today are not at all spiritual or open minded - they want to live out their lives ignorant and there is nothing you can do about that but try. you never know till you open your mouth. some people will be receptive and others wont - if they are not willing to hear you, no worries, no skin off your back. what i am trying to say is that if you do what you say you are trying to do by not speaking your mind you will do more damage. if you avoid talking about spiritual or philosophical things around people than you are hiding your true self from them - in other words you are a liar. be yourself no matter what that might mean. if you hide yourself from others you are hiding from yourself as well - very unhealthy. speak your mind. this forum is a great start.

i understand what you say about not needing another christ. i think that the world is far beyond the need for the one and only savior. we know better than that by now. it is not about the one. it is about the many people who together become humanity’s savior. thinking that you are the one and only savior is flawed in many ways and will only cause you more problems. understanding that you are one of many people who feel the world needs a helping hand or a wake up call is the better way to go.

find a way to express yourself. if you are a musician write some good enlightened music - people love music and are more receptive to music than they are to a speech. but public speaking is also a very good way of being heard. find ways to be creative - create ways that people will want to listen to you.

personally i use this forum as a way to express myself. i am also a musician so i use my music as a very powerful way to express myself as well. posting in this forum has helped me better understand the world i live in which has helped me write better music.

when it comes to spirituality and being a good person with good morals and ethics - no matter what you do you will always have more people against you than you will have people with you. that is because the world is in rough shape - not because there is something wrong with you being yourself.

if you have something to say to the world say it. in doing so you will learn more about yourself and the world. there is nothing wrong with being open and honest with everyone around you. there is something very wrong with someone who avoids talking about things for fear they will be rejected.

 

i dont think you are lying if you dont mention specific beliefs you have. no one can express everything they think about all the time. there are times and places. also, one must be humble with their oppinions or they run the risk of attatching too much identity to their beliefs, and once a belief becomes a part of you, it starts to be affected by emotions and can become unreasonable. not to say that emotions cant be enlightening, but that in general they steer thoughts in directions other than reason. it is the understanding of how emotions effect ones thoughts and judgements, i believe, that can be the enlightening aspect of emotion.
i speak this belief/idea/theory because these forums are indeed a good place to learn to articulate thought. but i would not go around speaking these things to whomever i meet. you say it is lying, but i believe that it simply is impractical and inconstructive to open your mind to everyone, because a lot of people will not take your expression the right way, and this is harmful only in that it prevents you from being listened to properly.

and the more you relate an idea to be an expression of your true self, the more a person is likely to generalise their superficial oppinions of your ideas onto their ideas about you.

i know that you apparently think it doesnt matter what other people think of your oppinion, which i think is definately the case on an internet forum - one of the reasons it can be so helpful in learning about one's own stances on things.

but the social, face to face world is different. you need to make sacrifices for relationships, and one sacrifice is not dropping your beliefs on any and everything to anyone you meet. even if you think it hides your true self - do you think you are exposed to anyone else's true self? no one will ever express every idea they ever have. according to this, everyone is lying whenever they are not expressing their personal oppion or judgement or idea or ponder

 

speak your mind... not all at once - that is just stupid.


if you hold back you are a liar. be yourself - be free to express yourself.

basically if you think you should say something - say it. stop and consider if maybe there is a better time to speak up or maybe another way - but by all means be heard.

 

This relates to your thought in that. I suppose any concious shift of 2012, what exactly will happen, is the metaphor of time will essentially cease to exist in the brain. That 2012 will in essence be the 'end of time'. But very literally in the context, time is a metaphor. Once you remove the metaphor of 'time' from your brain, you no longer have a stack of causal events you must transgress to get through. Every thought in your head, every perception will become merely associative. They will all seem to exist in the 'now'.

Which will basically mean, all of history thus far, the akashic records so to say. Whats encoded in our cells and DNA from millions of years worth of evolution will essentially reveal itself in mass and permanently. The new 'concious' of post 2012 will be one that instead of stacking onto the once percieved causal flow of history. Will instead utilize all knowledge of history at once to no longer be causal stacking of trial and error, but rather begin to integrate to the universe in a truly assiociative relationship. Everyone will realize exactly what it means for time not exist and then figure out what living in the now means exactly.

BTW, the alex grey painting in your signature was perhaps the most profound thing I had in my material possesion for the LSD trip I made this thread about.

 

To the other people around you just give a little hints and the pieces of the story and watch their spiritual growth. They connect it very well after some time.
If you go around telling everything at the same time nobody will belive you and maybe you even finish in some mental institution as it happened to a friend of mine.
The first feeling is "I must tell this to the whole world" but if you go with that feeling and start telling everything you will even scare some people from you.
It goes slowly one by one. You'll know exactly when is the right moment to do it. And all of us that believe in it are speaking our minds and changing the world.

 

oh really, what exactly happened with your friend and hows he doin?

not to be nosey, I am genuinely curious to know the story if you would tell

 

Well, I don't know myself every detail but it goes something like this: he was 16 and he was given big dose of LSD first time, so he "saw" lots of things and he was so amazed and happy that he started going around and telling everybody about it, I mean to mum and dad, grandparents etc.
So they put him into institution for like one year and also to get him out from drugs. After that he had a problem to start speaking to people again. It left a mark on him but he is fine now. Living far from parents still doing drugs but is a shy person and not easy to get him to open talk if he meets you first time. Unfortunatly stories like this happen.

 

ya, this kind of stuff happens all the time.

i am honest with my family (they all know i use LSD and smoke weed). all that has done is make it more likely that they will never listen to anything i have to say. when we reach a certain age we all have some advice for our parents about how they could be better people - it is only natural. now, because i was honest about my drug use they will never listen to me cuz they think i am crazy. my parents still love me and we can visit without it being a problem but like i said they have lost respect for me. now this doesnt suggest that i should have lied to them or kept my drug use a secret. i am not ashamed of my drug use at all. being honest with them has brought out a part of them that i dont like at all - now i know them better. i know what i can and cant say to them - i know that saying a lot of things to them is a waste of time - i know because i already tried. being honest with your family is better than keeping secrets.

BUT... when i told my parents about my drug use i was around 22 years old and lived on my own - i worked to pay my own rent and feed myself. being honest about your drug use or even what you have learned through your experience is obviously very dangerous when you still live at home and depend on them for support.

my parents couldnt use the argument that i am too fucked up to take care of myself because i have been taking care of my self for many years. how can someone say that i am not capable of being a part of society when i am already doing it just fine.

there is a time and a place. you must have a voice - you must be heard. but you dont want to wind up in the hospital.

i get the feeling that this kid was probably very excited and too full of energy. i had a friend that went a little loopy on a bunch of LSD. he has bipolar so i guess that didnt help any. he was very good about speaking his mind and for a long time people just thought he was a little strange. then after he took a little too much (like 50 hits) he started to act in a way that was nervous and edgy - talking too much and too fast about stuff that no one else could understand. his mother talked him into calling the hospital for some valium - when they showed up at his house they strapped him in and took him to the psych ward.

it is probably a good idea to wait until you have a good idea of what you are talking about yourself and that you can communicate it in a way that at least seems normal. people will be more open to hear what you say if you are calm and seem like you understand what you are talking about and you dont get upset. not only will they be more interested in what you have to say but they probably wont think to put you in the psych ward.

but still... having said all that. there is never a reason not to be your honest self. it is just that how you present yourself is very important and you should make sure you are in a good head space before you go out socializing with anyone. if you seem off or stranger than most some people will be very quick to suggest the psych ward (especially when you have been using LSD). when your family thinks you need to be in the psych ward it will be very difficult for you to convince the psychiatrist anything different - especially when your family tells them that you were using LSD - all most psychiatrists need to declare you insane is to hear that you have been using certain drugs.

as for this poor kid – his family and the hospital fucked him up and they will always think it was the LSD that fucked him up. he will have a very difficult life because of what his parents did to him.

 

wow thats sad...
A guy finally sees his inner self, his inner demons and is so happy, open and comfortable about it and himself that he can go out and tell everyone about it

then his parents put him in a mental institution

I would not doubt his parents caused more brain damage than the LSD ever got close to causing

I have had people tell me crazy shit. Explain even crazier shit, I couldn't imagine it being any less crazy than anything that guy said. It is not that hard to talk back to these people and have a conversation with them if you just, listen a little. Hell... even i say crazy shit to people at times. Really I sort of see society in two seperated distinct modes of comprehension. Those that can take in thoughts, descriptions, visualize them, conceptualize them, analyze them for deeper meaning or context in there own head. Then people who can only take communcation when it perfectly fits into a context of comprehension introduced to them by school or parents.

Cause I mean really, I can get meaningful communication of concepts or ideas just off listening to one of my friends play the piano though. Words are a horrible form of communation IMO, theres so many more deeper ways to connect with people than just 'omg these words dont connect the synapses of my brain how I like'. It really is just sort of saddening.

Although, in the context of that. I pay particularly close attention to the style of metaphor and linguistics Terence McKenna uses and try to learn from just the way he talks. Because it seems, no one can explain crazier shit better than McKenna. He can manage to make sense of the craziest shit in just the way he talks. Leary was quite good at articulation, but Leary always had a tone of crazy, while McKenna just feels like 'oh this guy is saying some interesting things'.

 

Oh wow what you said has brought tears to my eyes. And I agree 100%.

 

awesome thoughts guys..even though I'm brand new to this stuff, it intrigues me a lot. I think of this kind of stuff and I'm not a tripper yet..but a lot of this stuff is just over my head. lol. It's very interesting none the less, but it's like my mind can't even really interperet what some of you guys are saying about all of this. It seems so complicated and makes me want to learn from first hand experience. anyway..yeah deffinately putting this thread on my favorites.

 

Like one song is saying, we would all like to know who we are and how did we get here, but the most important is to treat other people well.
You see, if you start talking to somebody and immidiately tell him about LSD and beatifull feeling of one and love...... those people can not follow it from the end to begining and start thinking of you as a crazy ful. But if you start from the begining, about how people should treat each other and nature, not mentioning LSD, somehow they can relate to that and understand what you are talking about. From there you can expand your story accourding to their understanding. If somebody seems to understand what you are trying to say, continue, push it to the limit where they are becaming lost, and stop there,don't confuse them more or don't push them against their own will, as the feeling of you beeing crazy will came back and even they understood the beggining of the story, they will through it away. That way gives the best results according to my expirience, but we are all different and we all have different ways of saying the same thing, so who knows...
I just know that person needs to be ready for LSD, otherwise he will be scared and maybe never try it again. I think it is the same with knowledge, if they find out more than they are ready, it might scare them, and they can start considering that mad and go back in society routine- work, eat, sleap, work, eat, sleep......
So, if the person you would like to tell everything you know or feel, is not ready to hear it, the best you can do is to try to slowly prepare him for what you are about to share with him. Some people never reach that state of mind, but some do very quickly, even faster than you thought. There is no rule, but I still think that sometimes it is better not to say some things to certain people than to heart them. I will take my parents as an example. I am living on my own with my family in foreighn country, and my parents are very proud of me. I can teach them how to deal with nature, feelings, love and so much more that I've learned from acid, but mentioning acid to them I know that will heart them badly. Why ruining all that they belive whole their lives in just one sentence in witch LSD is included. Why hearting them so much just before their end of lifes and give them feeling that they failed in their life? They will never understand acid and I know that, so why doing that to them? Why ruining beautifull friendship with somebody just because they are not ready to hear acid in the sentence, when you can prepare them and teach them so many beautifull things that they can except?
I will end this post as I started it, with that song, saying that we need to learn how to treat others well. We learned through acid, and acid is just one of the tools for learning, but there are so many more, and we need to find specific tool for every person we want to enlight. But main goal is to make people to understand that we are all one, to stop any kind of discrimination (rasizm, alcholism, druges, crazy, religion, belifes, male, female....) and treat everybody like they would like to be treated. Only then global consciousnes can be achived in a manner that we would like. But teaching that, do not necessarily mean that you need to mention drugs, and without mentioning it to certain people, it is amazing how much they understand what you are talking about. They start beeing interested in meditation, yoga, crystals and plenty of other things witch lead to finding your inner self and become one with everything.
Love you all!!

 

Tears are the sign of an open heart
Dont be afraid of Love people! haha
Im so glad someone digs what I wrote
there, because truly that moment
defined existance for me. And as
lame as it may sound to some, it really
all comes down to Love.
And humming electronics :tongue:
Last time I took L I could hear the
sound of my brain generating
thought, pretty nice. Now I can hear
it sober when in deep enough
meditation! I wonder how deep the
Sound actually can go?

 

the people i work with do not need to know that i love LSD. i am honest but i an not stupid.

my family is very close to me and i see no room for secrets with family, loved ones or close friends.

i dont tell everyone i meet that i am into psycedelics. only people with whom i become good friends or people i would like to become good friends with am i completely honest. if i am honest with someone and they hold my drug use against me in any way i know to keep them at a distance.

because of the way LSD and our society is i am only good friends with people who accept that LSD is good for you. anyone who does not think that LSD is good for you will naturally think that i am fucked up because of my use and could never be a good friend.

so... usually i dont tell people about my drug use unless i think that they are open minded enough to accept me for who i am. if i dont think that the person will be able to accept my drug use than they will only ever be an acquaintance and it is ok if they dont know a few things about me. only those people who can appreciate my drug use eventually become good friends of mine.

when you are first starting out with LSD you will have to make some sacrifices. eventually you will have to admit that some of your so called friends are not friends at all(because they dont accept your drug use) or you will have to realize that maybe LSD is not right for you either.

 

I still think that doen't have anything to do with honesty. If somebody doesn't understand something, he doesn't. I will give you a simple example, why don't you try to explain algebra to 2 year old kid? Does that mean you are not honest with the kid, does that mean that you are lying to him? And if you try to do it, the kid will not find any interest in that because he does not understand that, and he will go to somebody that he can play with, with toys or whatever he understands and enjoys. But if you tried to show the kid something he understands, you could teach him so many things, and slowly even prepare him to be interested in algebra, but obviously it would take years. It is the same situation with adults, if they are not ready to hear something, they are not ready, and if you care for them enough, the only thing you can do is to start slowly preparing them to be ready to hear what you have to say. It is not all about you, if you want to enlighten somebody, it doesn't matter how do you feel, it matters how they feel about it too. Why do you want to say to your parents that you are using acid, because of that how YOU will feel about it, or how THEY will feel about it? Did you put your needs on the first place, or theirs? We are all different and obviously have different views on life and certain situations, but in my oppinion, it is more important to me will I hurt somebody, than will I have any benefits of it, whatever that is. And always, whatever I do, I try to think first will that hurt somebody or not, and if not, only than I will do it. I am not saying that I am 100% right and that I never did something that hurt somebody else, but I am trying as much as possible to minimise those possibilities. Sometimes, some people need to be hurt, so they can benefit later, but those situations are very rare in my expirience, but very real also. At the end of the day, I try to think of all the possibilities and weight good against bad and make a decision is this thing better to do or not.
I guess we are both right 3xi, but for specific situations, for specific people, I guess there is no rule how to do it. I know person who told the parents about acid and they ended up taking it together, but that situation is one in a million.

 

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lsd is a very important part of my life. if i can not share that with the people i care about than there will always be distance between us.

plus- how can you know that someone is not ready to hear something until you tell them and they react???

being dishonest in order to save other people from being hurt happens all the time. i am pretty sure that is the main reason why people lie. people lie to save people from being hurt.

like i have said over and over - there is never a reason not to be honest. if you can not be honest about your drug use with the people you love than you are ashamed.

not telling my parents about my drug use would be hiding a part of me. that is very dishonest - i dont care how you look at it. it is wrong. it is always better to be honest.

anyone i get close to will no everything about me - that is the best way to be.

in order to protect my job and my reputation at work i dont get close to anyone i work with.

there is never a good reason to keep secrets. sheltering your parents from the truth is lying. whatever way you look at it. excuses excuses... truth is you will never truly know how they will react until you tell them.

my parents are better off knowing who i am. i did not hurt them in any way. actually to the contrary - whenever i do or say things that are obviously very wize or enlightened to them they dont have to wonder what happened to their kid because they already know he does LSD like john lennon did.

at some point in my trip i learned that love is impossible without honesty. if you want to love someone you must be completely honest with them. they must know everything about you. over time you will share everything. some things in life are obviously insignificant and do not need to be talked about (like how you wipe your ass) but everything that is important to you must be known by anyone you want to love.

love is not possible without honesty. if you keep secrets or shelter people from the truth for their own good all you are really doing is keeping them at a distance. not healthy at all.

 

There is definitley no reason to lie, ever. To do so is not
always to keep people from being hurt, but also to avoid
facing pain for the individual.
But there are instances where keeping things from people
is for the best, and in doing so does not in any way
cause problems for the person left in the dark. There is
such a thing as being brutally honest, which at times is
most definitley required. But there are also instances
where the truth is better left to express itself without
directly being brought to immediate attention. Like if
you were to run into a cop, you wouldnt carry on a
conversation with the cop about your LSD use. Or if
you run into a person in a wheelchair, you dont say
to them "Hey! Your a crippled person!" It's just there,
it's known in the subconscious mind, and its better let
to stay where it is. I would never tell my mother about
my LSD use, but I have spoken to her of revelations I
had on it and instead gave the attribution to sober
meditation. She can tell that I've used LSD, but there
is no need to directly say it. It's there either way

 

i understand why you would do this. but i think that is keeping her at some sort of distance. it may very well be for the best - i dont know your situation.

i think it is good to keep some people in your life (especially the cops...lol) at a safe distance. that may include unreasonable parents...but...

being honest with your mother would bring you guys closer. if she is for some reason unable to understand or deal with the truth then it would be up to you to help her understand and see the light. doing this would be good for the two of you. but like i said might not be a good idea - it is up to you. but i would still say that you will never be as close to your mother as you would be if she knew about the real you. sure it would bring out issues to deal with but even that would be good for you.

it is not all that bad to hide something like lsd from your mother. but there will always be something between you. a part of you she will never know. as long as you are ok with that.

personally i would rather have no secrets. my mother and father are actually coming around. for many years now i have been slowly changing their mind about the "lsd makes you crazy" myth. the love between us is powerful enough - they quite naturally want to believe that i am healthy. over time they will come to understand. i truly believe that i have done the right thing by being honest. life could have been easier for all of us had i kept my mouth shut - that is true. but i am happy to say that it was all worth it. they still dont listen to what i have to say when it comes to advice i have for them. just like most people when they are criticized they look for reasons to think you are wrong. but for the most part my parents respect me as a person. i just cant give them any advice about life or spirituality. if i do they think i have done too much LSD.