What is False Flag terrorism?

A got to thank most of you 911 conspiracy theorist. The last few days I have sent this link to some friends and co workers. They got some good laughs and entertainment from reading this.Most people I work with in New York were so happy they got to finally read the rambalings of 911 conspiracy theorist nuts. But I was shocked the far left liberals at my Job that I argue with every day about current events, history and the the goverment were in total Agreement with me for the first time ever. They even thought your beliefs were out there and sounded crazy. They said that people like you give the left a terrable name and want nothing to do with the likes of your thoughts and your groups.Yeah ExposeTheTruth it really does sound like your movement is growing fast. also before I forget one person wanted me to ask who do you think was behind the 011 attacks.Was it the the Illuminati and the free masons that run the world in the shadows, The Israeli government, or the most popular one the Bush white hosue that is really ran buy Dick Cheney. or is there another grouop or theory I have not heard Yet. please I would love to know ?

 

Tell them it's all of the above, or in a nutshell: The Globalist Elite. It wasn't simply one small group.

Your'e right in a sense though: many New Yorkers (stereotypically, unfortunately) are some of the densest, most brainwashed and closed-minded people in the west. Cognitive Dissonance runs deep there.

YET, despite the consensus mentality of most New Yorkers, there is a big world out there with many different kinds of people. New Yorkers would do well to travel out of their comfort zone more often...you being no exception.

As for progressive "liberals" who still believe the government is incompetent as opposed to malevolent, it's just a matter of time till they wake up to the harsh reality, as our movement isn't about to disappear. Quite the opposite, really. And then Amy Goodman and Noam Chomsky will be held accountable as accessories to the cover-up of murder and high treason, for they are the primary reason that the "progressive left" is still in denial about false flag terrorism. And I guarantee you that if some of the folks you spoke to were willing (well, forced) to watch the documentary "9/11: Press for Truth", they'd come to feel very differently about the matter, wouldn't they.

So...enjoy your comfort zone Shoc. Enjoy it while it's still able to exist. ;-D

 

Yes but the grassy knoll conspiracy theory movement never disappeared, and neither did the alien abduction people or the Bigfoot people. You'll always be around, in 10 years you'll still be singing the same tune. But the rest of the world will still considers you a crackpot cult, and rightly so. If you can't come up with evidence after six years, I doubt four more will do you much good.

In fact this whole globalist crap is just a constantly rehashed version of right wing nuttery from the 1950s, and it even borrows heavily from the notorious jew hating fraud, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Read it - if you replace the word 'zionist' with 'globalist' you've got today's version of a ridiculous fraud from more than 100 years ago.

 

maybe, but I'm from New York and I'm not retarded enough to actually try and debate intellectual non-entities like pepik and shocbomb. some people are happy being misinformed, and it's naive to think you can sway them. and if you don't think you can convince them, why bother debating? seems almost like co-dependancy.

shocbomb, you dissapoint me. I thought you were kind of cool, what with being a recovering dope fiend and all, but now it's obvious you're a complete fool. your argument pretty much amounts to: "no one believes what you say! people don't think that stuff! so you're wrong, because on the tee vee box they say it ain't true! fuckin' hippy!". wow, what critical thinking there champ. I guess you're right, since what is there to believe except what you're told to believe? keep up with the groupthink, you'll be happier.

go back to bed, america...

 

New York is the home of: The NY Times, The Wall Street Journal, The NY Post, The NY Daily News, The NY Observer, The NY Sun, The Village Voice. The Amsterdam News ( Nation of Islam) Major publishing houses, Magazines. It receives lots of forign periodicals, The NY Stock Market, Bloomberg News, The NY Federal Reserve Bank various banking headquarters and branches of forigin banks Everybody is trading on information. Its a huge competition to dig deep and discover something new with huge rewards and prestige to the discoverer.

All these news papers are competing with each other for income and market share, subscribers, and advertisers. Like a Keith Richards, they all make thier own money and are nobodys lapdog. Lapdog media doesnt sell, and doesnt get advertisers. Lapdog media relies on goverment grants.
Thousands of very competitive people work in these places, they understand whats going on. These Capitalists follow money, not orders. To imagine that this is all in someway orchestrated from above by a group of illuminatti is unfathomable.

New York has lots of Jews, lots of diferent kinds of Jews, the're not exotic here, not mysterious, they fight like hell between themselves and some kinds arent on speaking terms with other kinds, They might be loaded and have a lot of influence but they don't own New York or The US.

Yeah New Yorkers are arrogant they don't go anywhere, but everybody who wants to compete end up in New York there are forigin enclaves and neighborhoods, seems every country has its own little enclave. All these visitors bring new information and talent in. A tremendous variety of people and opinion.

One thing about New Yorks Progressive Left, they know how to manipulate and milk the federal goverment, They know how to get programs funded which employ thier followers and dispurse largesse to thier clients.

Murder and treason are all good as long as you can get your budget bill passed and fund the next appropriation.

 

Pepik, you're obviously a troll of some kind, so trying to debate with you is nothing more than a trap. Shoc, on the other hand, is just an intellectual child, so debating with him is *almost* as much of a waste of time. You're right Zen Arcade...I agree with every last thing you said. And I will almost guarantee that Shoc will not reply to it.

 

That list of quotes Earthmother posted is from the Alex Jones website.

Some of those quotes are taken out of context. For example, Quintiere is on that list as saying,

“I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they’ve done; both structurally and from a fire point of view. … I think the official conclusion that NIST arrived at is questionable.”
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But Quintiere also said this:

“If you go to World Trade Center One, nine minutes before its collapse, there was a line of smoke that puffed out. This is one of the basis of the ‘conspiracy theories’ that says the smoke puffing out all around the building is due to somebody setting off an explosive charge. Well, I think, more likely, it’s one of the floors falling down.”

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Quintiere has legitimate concerns about the technical aspects of the NIST investigation. One of them is that the towers could have collapsed because of the metal heating up, even if the fire insulation hadn't come off.

Quintiere:

"I suggest that there’s an equally justifiable theory and that’s the trusses fail as they are heated by the fire with the insulation intact. These are two different conclusions and the accountability for each is dramatically different,” he said."

That's not a glamorous claim such as atomic bombs in the basement or CD explosives allegedly planted by the government, but it's important because it opens up the possibility that the people who designed and operated the buildings were responsible for possible shortcomings that allowed them to collapse as a result of fire.

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THAT kind of person....

Just for laffs, and totally off topic (sorry, but this thread was hijacked a while ago anyhow) I looked up some comments left on my website (http://calhoununderground.wordpress.com) by someone in the same weird little club. These guys must all use the same script, study out of the same book, or at least attend the same meetings of trolls anonymous regularly. Laugh away:

# On August 1, 2007 at 7:15 pm I see stupid people Said: |Edit This

This site has the most moronic bunch of BS that I have ever heard!!! Our founding fathers obviously did not have you idiots in mind when the right to freedom of speach was discussed. You are the type of people that ruin that right. This site is nothing but a government and police bashing site. You obviously have been arrested before and/or a friend/family member. No, I don’t need any facts if you have or not, most of this site does not require facts. Twisting the truth or flat out lies, a common trait among idiotic liberals. So continue to have fun with your little ooooh scary conspiracy site. Don’t let the little green men get you, watch out for bigfoot if you go camping, tell Elvis I said hi, and keep up on that investigation about the fake moon landing. Hopr you get some stronger meds. I know Calhoun County has little to do, but pleeeeeeas!

# On August 1, 2007 at 7:29 pm I see stupid people Said: |Edit This

I thought you morons would like to know that I just saw bigfoot. He was walking past Foodland with Elvis and Lee Harvey Oswald. They were going to a national convention of The Order of the Skulls to decide the fate of the nation. They are rumored to be planning yet another 911 staged terrorist attack to keep the poor democrates from winning the next presidential election. Woooweee, you back woods hicks are funny!!!

# On August 1, 2007 at 7:34 pm I see stupid people Said: |Edit This

I heard that you hicks were going to team up with that Clay County idiot that runs The Communicator so that you could form one brain. Good luck with that. I don’t know if that will be good or bad.

# On August 1, 2007 at 7:41 pm I see stupid people Said: |Edit This

Oh my God!!!! The state police is invading Calhoun County!!! Hide your pot! Hide your moonshine! Hide your criminal activities!!! It’s a military state!! The bad apples are coming! Misconduct, misconduct, misconduct!!!!! POLICE MISCONDUCT!!! What to do!!! Whoa is me!!! No more incest!!!! They are going to use the ray guns stolen from the aliens at Roswell to remove Calhoun County from the face of the earth.

# On August 1, 2007 at 7:41 pm I see stupid people Said: |Edit This

It’s hot outside today, must be a trooper’s fault!!

# On August 1, 2007 at 7:42 pm I see stupid people Said: |Edit This

It’s raining outside, must be President Bush’s fault!!

# On August 1, 2007 at 7:44 pm I see stupid people Said: |Edit This

These messages brought to you by…. Citizens for a ban on further births from idiots that live in Calhoun County and promote moronic online rags such as this.

# On August 1, 2007 at 7:47 pm I see stupid people Said: |Edit This

I know none of these topics will be seriously discussed, but damn this is fun!!! I have the right, right? Rights, rights, rights!!! Oh, and I’m sorry for posting the word GOD earlier. I know you people don’t like that. Oh, here is another word you don’t like…. Bible!!!
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WHEW! Could be from the same person for all I know... WHAT makes folks like this???? FEAR of the TRUTH. If we could figure out a way to break down the WALLS of ignorance that some people display without embarassment, we could probably finally get our REAL 9-11 investigation, most likely stop the Iraq war among others, and finally get some PEACE and HAPPINESS in the world. Because in the final analysis, THIS is the mindset that CAUSES most of the trouble in the world.

 

Shaggie, thanks for being so diligent. I suppose out of a list of so many, there must be SOMETHING to take issue with. But the list itself still says an awful lot.

 

What is says is that there are people out there who deliberatly misquote, who deliberately try to deceive in order to promote their conspiracy theories.

And what you have shown is that when you discover you have been deliberately deceived, you just go back for more as long as they are giving you what you want to hear.

Look at this lot - all agreeing to "shun" or "ignore" anyone who doesn't believe their conspiracy. Long posts which say very little except that it is "uncool" not to believe the conspiracy and if you refuse to believe it you are not a critical thinker. Perfectly circular self affirmation logic.

Why do you think this movement is going nowhere fast?

 

Pepik, you're a nuissance, nothing more...nothing less. When I say "nuissance", I mean as opposed to a legitimate obstacle. You're a gnat rather than a yellowjacket. Go find some other garden to play in.

 

"Why do you think this movement is going nowhere fast?"------

I actually think it IS going somewhere, as more and more people are beginning to wake up. However, if you think it is going nowhere fast, that is because of our government which is obviously hiding something, and people in power who WON'T try. It could be many years before we finally have the truth, if ever, completely due to government hiding the realities. Nobody here recommended shunning people simply due to having different opinions! Is this just shallow perception or is it intentional misleading?

Amazing how someone can supply a HUGE list of folks who have some questions, someone discovers one or two that MAY be questionable, and suddenly the entire list is discounted... Now THAT'S shallow...
OK, screw lists of "important" people. The MOST important people are US, the citizens. And I can not find ANYONE who trusts our government to tell the truth or do the right things. Not one person. MAYBE if I actually did a pole at Wallyworld or someplace, but I'm CERTAIN that those who still give the government some credibility must be ignorant hillbillies who don't do anything but drink beer or rabid church goers perhaps... But not people who actually READ and STUDY and THINK about these things... I'm just not seeing it.

 

Hip Forums is just that, A forum; not an echo chamber.

Would be a whole lot less interesting without divergent thoughts.

We are a marketplace of ideas


:jester: :troll:

 

Well its been 10 pages of waiting for ExposeTheTruth to expose some truth. So far nothing. Hard to debate when there's no substance.

 

so wheres yours? at least rat states an opinion! whats your opinion on the subject? not your opinion on rats opinion??

 

ohh sorry exposes opinion?

 

sh@#$t to many threads to many thoughts pls disregard last 2 posts!!!

 

The list in itself doesn't say an aweful lot. There are tens of millions of professionals in engineering, demolition, law, and other fields that don't support truther claims because the facts don't support such claims.

Former CIA official Bill Christison is another one on the list. He contends that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition and that no plane hit the Pentagon, even though hundreds of people saw a commercial passenger jet hit the Pentagon. He doesn't give any factual arguments, only his personal opinions, such as 'the hole in the Pentagon was too small', and then tells people to watch Loose Change for evidence.

http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Aug06/Christison14.htm

David Griscom is another on the list. He thinks that 911 was all done with controlled demolition. Someone of his background should have the ability to formulate a theory and evidence and publish a paper in a peer reviewed professional journal, but instead he tells people to go read Griffin's claims about controlled demolition. Griffin is a theologian with no background in physics, yet Griscom with a Ph.D. in physics refers people to Griffin.

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That's nice, and whatever....

People are getting too caught up in all these picky details. But if you just check out simple things, like Larry Silverstein talking about how there was such a great loss of life that they decided to go ahead and "pull the building", well, he SAID it for petes sake! There is no room for translation, he said what he said. Not out of context either. And then the building just goes straight down in perfect professional controlled demolition style. Right in front of everybodys eyes. No gimmics. Yet folks want to say, what, that it didn't happen?

Or the video from BBC news, announcing IN DETAIL how building 7 collapsed, 20 minutes BEFORE it did. Now, some say coincidence, but if you actually WATCH the clip, that's no coincidence! Only an accident as to timing. It's obvious. The script HAS to have been already in front of them, BEFORE the actual collapse. There is no other explanation.

Only in America can something be right before your eyes and somehow the government can convince you it didn't happen... Now THAT is brainwashing! Maybe SOME folks need to stop drinking the water...