i love you!

i think there is a case to say that unconditional love is the only true love, and that is because it is the only sort of love that is selfless. and a lot of people consider love to be beautiful because of the way people can be selfless to the people they love - putting their loved ones first and sacrificing their own rewards or happiness for those they love. but i think that 'true' love is selfish and that is why i want to be loved - i want to be a part of someone, and for them to be a part of me.

but people also want to be loved without worrying that what they do or say might compromise their love. but this is because not everyone can be loved in the way that i propose. people dont want to be left out.

but even i would like unconditional love.. so long as it was unconditional for me. once it is unconditional for anyone (what i consider 'unconditional' love) or even unconditional for a large group of people who arent intimate, then it ceases to be special and instead is more of a harmonious, 'lovely', companionship.

maybe i am using different meanings of the word love..

for example, some people think love cannot be one way - for then it is lust, or else it is called 'caring a lot for someone'. i think love is an individual thing, and it is the most wonderful thing when two people love eachother. but not necessary for 'true' love.

i have a lot to say about love and hate. i dont want to bust in with 'hate' but i think it is essentially directly related to love, and that means it is important to understand what love is.

 

i have found unconditional love a rare thing in my encounters.
what i have usually encountered is a desire to do good or be loving, in total ignorance that what is required in return is feeling good about doing good or being loving. there is nothing wrong with that, it is called enlightened self-interest, but many people are not even aware they need the "buzz" and so they think they are being unconditional. anthony de mello has some wise words on this subject in his book "awareness"

i don't call this selfish really. i call it symbiosis. you are wanting to share yourself. if you just wanted to take, giving nothing in return - that is selfish. and unconditionality is just giving, wanting nothing in return.

the word love has taken on so many grades and meanings, yes, so...

"romantic love" to use its cliched term, is indeed wonderful and it is tough to experience it as unconditional : romance tends to depend on the return of the love given. then there is the whole thorny question of intimacy. eg. for some people it's ok to have multiple partners, for others not.

the passion required to hate someone requires the hater to not feel indifferent. this usually (not always) means that at some point, the hater was a lover who did not get their needs (conditions) met.

hate can only come from fear, usually of some unpleasantness, physical or emotional, and that fear can only come from believing that your happiness rests on what is outside of yourself.

this brings me to what i said in my previous post - to see others as you are means to see them from your inner landscape. if that inner landscape is fearless, you see everyone in a loving way, unconditionally, because you need nothing from them.

and yes, it is rare. how many truly fearless people do you know...

i cannot even begin to go into what happens when the shift occurs so that it is perceived that "there is no other"
for that i will have to direct you to some of the LSD threads i have posted on or i will be here all day, which would probably drive you spare :jester:

i really enjoy your input. thank you for dancing with me. i know you may think them hollow but i love you - you are a wonder - alive, thinking, BEING!:dance:

and dont forget to tell me what is that stuff coming out of your mouth?!

 

aha what DOES it look like?

 

hee hee... i suppose its a branch of what gets you to be "stoner"bill,

but it looks like vomit...!

 

and so, by applying my theories above, you can see what a "sick" person i must be... :lol:

big :love: to all the readers and writers who make it all possible

 

lol the latter is the only thing i could imagine it to be mistaken for, and in that case, it would be a -most- amazing picture to capture... a glump of vomit flowing forth from between my teeth lol.

ps. i love your quote ahahha that movie is excellent

 

when i saw that movie, it was all about love, mate. the only thing that can stop [darth vader voice] MR SHADOW

pink light shot right out of dear old milla's heart chakra - but only when brucie said the magic words...

 

we have totally taken over here.

i wouldnt mind giving mila a child. minus love. is that rude?

 

Thank you for a wonderful tread and thanks to the others joining in. And thank you denise-louise for that strenght to explain it over and over again.
Love you all

 

I dont think so Stoner Bill, at least not in every post.
The energy you put into a post corresponds with the
energy and emotion you feel internally. We are sharing
energy when we post meaningful words here.
Not every post is a perfect emanation of a persons
inner feeling, but a post like the one here by Prism most
definitley is.
When you harbour positive or negative thoughts in your
mind, they will take form, materialize, and manifest as
your reality in a proper manner. If you have love in your
heart for people, you will see change in how you are
treated, respected, cared for. If you have negative
intentions you will find yourself surrounded by misery.
Some people do have universal, divine Love Bill, I
dont know exactly how you take that because I did
not have time to read this whole thread, but if you
have it you have it, if you dont you dont and it may
come to you some orange morning.

 

im treated well and i care about people. not big all time love though. i dont think relationships on the internet are very similar to those in real life. words are hollow because they, themselves, do not carry the meaning. the meaning is percieved in the reader's mind. unless you believe good spirit is encoded metaphysically into certain sections of code on hipforums server.

i think having this 'divine love' (do you mean unconditional love?), Relayer, increases your tendancy to be caring and loving to other people, and they respond to that by being loving and caring back to you. i dont think that is energy put into your words or actions though - humans are just very successful at communicating. but not perfect, which results in all sorts of communication error. some gestures are very easily understood, such as your 'way of being' to people around you. but words on a forum are different. by using certain types of words to make an impression, it is probably not going to be random - it is something that you know people will recognise as loving or respectful. because when one are genuinely loving and respectful, one tries to prevent being unloving and unrespectful. people's portrayed values thus can often mimic their ideal values and not the values they actually uphold in personal interactions.

 

I actually agree with this. It's very easy to say so many things, but for them to be a real representation of who the person is, well that's another thing. It's a common thing to see the contradiction between words and action, is just if you know the person in real life, you can actually know if the words a person speaks and the actions they take are synchronized or if they are two sepparate things.
The thing is we dont know who anyone here is, unless we know them in real life and well then we can debate if we ever really know anyone. But we can still perceive certains things from the way people talk and the things they say, does it means our perception on who this person is, is accurate? No, but we are not talking about Sarah, Matt and Paul, we are talking about Prismatism, StonerBill, BigBlondeafro... it's the persona we come to know online and we can still think they are great or they are shitty people, whatever it is that we think, it just doesnt mean that's who they really are.

 

yeah, ta prismatism for starting it you are a love

and LSD ASAP - sorry...its a fetish of mine. if i put hmmmmm somewhere and it gets taken up on, there is hardly any stopping me. the trick is let sleeping hmmmmm's lie...

but hey, at least you dont have to read any of my posts. you can see my avatar, know exactly whats about to happen and just skip ahead! :lol: i will just talk about love and (eventually) "there is no other..."

right?

:love:

 

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....


(just joking :jester: ) (maybe)

 

While that is kind of funny, a tad obvious, and slightly insulting
to what I just said, I need to clarify what I meant.
First of all God's code includes the entire universe, so of course
a forum server is a comprehensive and functional part.
Words are not hollow, they are a manipulation of One initial
Sound but that is not something one who relies on experience
through scientific, intellectually proveable will follow but that gets into
a matter of personal perception so I wont take that any
further. If you believe words are hollow you just havent felt
the true potential of sound and energy.
I dont exactly speak of the meaning when I talk about
represnetation, I was talking about a feeling, and the energy
we put into our keyboard as we type. Wether you chose to
believe that or not, we most definitley ARE sharing energy by
talking on this forum, and if you decide to be more receptive
to it to the point that you realize your reception you may see
what Im talking about.
Wether we understand a word or not, typically when one puts
their heart into a post, the reader picks up on the emotion the
write had at the time of writing and feels it. This is very real
and when it is love being shared, is not hollow and not up to
the receiver to decide wether or not that it is indeed Love,
it is only up to them to feel it or reject it. But the reality that
it is being sent is not exactly up to subjection provided that
sender's intentions are pure, which in this case I can promise
you that they are.

 

amazing <3

sorry i've missed out on so much in this thread. it's great that there's so much going on though, .

i am one of the people who strongly feel unconditional love is the only true love, and that there is no other. and i also agree about exchanging energy. your energy affects every thing you come into contact with, and everything you contact affects you with it's energy. it's each individual's choice how they send, and how they recieve it. depending on how conscious of it you are, you could accept it without realizing it and assume it is your own, reject it, change it, transform it, whatever.

i think that the self isn't definable. it's constantly changing, and there is no *true* core self. it's just a bunch of habits, ideals, paradigms, assumptions, expectations, and intentions, swirling around consciousness. as you know someone "in real life", you watch them change so much that you hardly notice it. but when you look at old pictures or read something they wrote, you can tell, because pictures and written words are like a time capsule. everything i've written here is a map to who i am in THIS one moment. tomorrow i'll probably be a little bit different. in 20 minutes i'll probably be a little bit different.

i'm going to use jesus as an example again, because i think it works. nobody who's alive today, as far as *i* know, has sat with jesus and watched his mannerisms, or even knows what he really looked like, or if he even existed at all. but people truly and unconditionally love him. because he put an intention out into the world, that was so true and strong for so many people that it lasted this whole time. not unchanged; ideas evolve along with everything, and everyone has a slightly different perception of everything. but there are intangible, real and eternal ideas/truths/possibilities, that by whatever means can be shared... and you can accept them (or not), and of course you decorate them to your own tastes. but you still *get it*, to whatever degree you are capable of getting it.

ever hear a story, or watch a movie, or read a book, and think you got it, and then revisit it later on and understand it at a deeper level?

dogs probably don't understand our language but pick up on the essence of what we're saying by our tone. if you are perceptive, you can pick up on the essence of most things that are being communicated. if you think you already know, you're not going to listen. so you'll come off as delusional, and i'd say you would be, because you'd be living in an illusion of seperateness and superiority.

anyway i think i'm going on a tangent. everyone you come into contact with is there to give you something, and recieve something from you. every soul is essential, perfect, and part of yourself. every single experience is a gift. we're all dancing together, completely and beautifully synchronized, whether we realize it or not.

i don't know how much of this will be understood the way i intend it, but i don't think rambling any more will help ^___^"" so hopefully i got it all across.

i do love you, all of you. equally, unconditionally, and genuinely. the fact that my love is unconditional does not lessen the love for any individual in particular. unconditional love is infinite love.

 

Prism I believe I fully understand what you are saying.
About dancing in order, about every soul working to
be a part of the whole Om Tat Sat
And you already know that Jesus is like, my main man!

And the main point of your post, Universal Love being
the only True Love, well, I agree with this also.
I acknowledge the divine in any being before I
consider their personality. God comes before anything
else and since we are all a part of God, well, you know

I remember being 15 and laying in the snow watching the
snow flakes fall between the buildings near center city
while on magic mushrooms, I had never had a girlfriend
before, no son born yet, no real responsibilties, yet I
clearly remember watching the sky and wondering about
God. Was he looking down on me? Up at me? And the
whole world, all the faces of people I've known, people
walking around the city in a hurry, family, friends, animals,
stars, planets, nebulae gases, everyting was spinning so
fast in circles in front of my eyes. And yes, I cried, a LOT!
:tongue:

 

Yes, yes and yes. I do think energy can be felt no matter where you are and through any means and you just gotta be open to receive it.
I dont think the self isnt definable, saying it's ever changing is a way to define it and like you said in this moment you are this and later you'll be something else, is just how it goes, we are constantly changing and being influenced by everything and everyone. What I meant about the discrepancy between a person's words and actions, is about right now and you can see how a person eithers shows more of who they are at that moment or decides to hide behind their words.
It's pretty easy to pick up on that, but here when all we have is words, it's a little trickier. I think that's what StonerBill meant by saying words are hollow, because they can come across one way, but their intention can be quite different, but yeah energy is an entirely different thing and it doesnt lie

 

Now that I think about it, that day in the snow, I used
to have a blu snow hat, the one with the flaps and the
strings with the knots at the end? Yea I miss that
hat so much lol

 

haha
I have a hat like that, but mine is white and beige. It makes me happy when I wear it