What is False Flag terrorism?

That's exactly the right approach. Ignore information that doesn't support your theory.

You mean picky details like whether there are any facts to back up conspiracy innuendo.

Sure, if you let conspiracy theorists tell you what "pull" and "it" means, then you can say he admitted it (of course we can't listen to what Silverstein says he meant by "pull" and "it", how would he know what he meant?).

Here's a few problems. Your theory is that Silverstein decided that "since there was such a great loss of life", the best thing to do is set off preplanted explosives and demolish the building. How exactly does that make sense?

Secondly, you are saying that the New York Fire Department set off controlled demolitions in WTC 7 (the "they" in "they decided to go ahead and pull the building"). So the NYFD was part of a plot which killed hundreds of their own firefighters? Why would they do that? Does that really make sense?

"Pull" is not slang for bringing down a building with exlosives. It can literally mean pull down with cables, which I believe they did to WTC 6. You are redefining what "pull" means for your own convenience.

And since when does the NYFD carry out controlled demolitions, covertly or not?

Why would Silvestein go to all that trouble to arrange a conspiracy to blow up WTC 7, and then go to the media and spill the whole plot? How does that make sense?

In detail? What detail?

Why would a conspiracy require the media to be informed before the building collapsed? If the building collapsed, the press would report it. They were all over lower Manhattan looking for things to report on. Please explain how this makes sense.

We also know that there were reports that building 7 was expected to collapse, or was at least at risk of collapse. How hard would it be for one of these reports to be confused into has collapsed? There was obviously plenty of confusion, otherwise nobody would have stood in front of a standing WTC 7 and report that it had collapsed.

 

Oh wow, so the onus is on ME!!? What...who, me??? Little ole' me? I must be Neo from the Matrix.

I don't need to debate you. We'd just go round and round anyway as you well know. I've provided many links and sources for credible and corroborative evidence in an effort to make you people think and debate amongst yourselves. I owe you nothing but my own pursuit of truth. In fact I'm doing you a service just by bringing up a topic that doens't get much mention on these forums. Besides, the burden of proof SHOULD be on those who made the initial claim: the government and its privately owned media. But don't question it. Authority is to be trusted because it is bigger, better, smarter, better looking, and well, they told us to.

Sorry but if they didn't want people to think democratically, they shouldn't have cloaked us in the illusion of democracy.

 

Pepik, screw it, you are so entrenched in your beliefs that you make up stuff and read stuff into what others say and all the other cute little tricks folks use to ignore anything that does not go with what they are preaching. So I'm not gonna bother picking apart your remarks.

I watched a lot of film footage. And there is an awful lot. I did research. I'm no scientist. Neither are most people. But, with the way things APPEAR if you actually LOOK, and this appearance is pretty obvious if you choose to look, it would seem to me that there are enough questions raised that this SHOULD be looked at a little harder. Like I said before, WHAT WOULD IT HURT to continue with investigations? Why do you not WANT any more investigation? If you and your ilk are RIGHT, then how can more professional investigation hurt your beliefs?

Here is MY idea for the perfect investigation. Seeing how there are so MANY people who have already DONE their own independent investigations, and seeing how we can not trust our government to HIRE people to do an UNBIASED investigation, the government should WELCOME and sort out ALL THOSE INVESTIGATIONS done by people with the proper credentials of some kind and add up all the results. Now, don't say that the ONLY scientists and physicists and such who took it upon themselves to do their own investigations are people who are "conspiracy theorists" because that simply can't be the case. How could 100% of ALL people or organizations who have conducted independent research be on the "wrong" side? WHY can none of this alternative research be looked at? Please explain how this is wrong? And WHY is the government being so secretive? WHY do average folks need to look so hard to discover things like the Iraq war being planned way in advance of 9-11? Don't you see that it is human nature for people to be skeptical of something when they feel they are being misled? Wouldn't it be smarter and make life EASIER for the government people if they actually LISTENED to the people and at least made a good showing of being up-front and truthful? What the heck? Does the government WANT there to be unanswered questions and dissent for some reason??? Maybe...

 

There is prima facie evidence (and beyond) that 9/11 was conducted by U.S. insiders. Period. They could very well have had assistance from foreign elements, but the key players were U.S. traitors.

 

Funny, the first thing I thought of when I heard the news reports back on 9/11 was OMG, what has our government gone and done now? 'Seems to me like ideal timing for a terrorist attack with Bush's approval ratings in the toilet and all. And oops, well, we couldn't find bin Laden, but y'know, Saddam Hussein must be responsible, so we'll just go attack his country, and see if we can't finish what daddy Bush set out to do before. And while we're over there "spreading democracy", we'll just steal the country's resources and line Cheney's buddies' bank accounts, while derailing our own Constitution in the name of "national security" to serve our personal agenda, it doesn't get any better than that. Forgive me for not having the time to read the entire thread, but it seems to me like a child could follow this logic.

Sure, I've done my share of research (I mean if someone put it in writing it on the Internet it MUST be true, right?). I try to keep an open mind, and I'm not a Conspiracy Theory type of guy, but I can't help but come to the same conclusion I did back then. The whole thing's a friggin' lie, and yet our politicians are STILL letting it go on, it's absolutely absurd!

 

No, the whole thing wasn't a lie. Only the official story and the persistant attempt at a cover-up. What the whole thing was was the most treachurous act of murder and treason on U.S. soil by the U.S. elite. It was the next step of their Coup de Tat so they can end our soveignty in favor of world (global) government.

 

Well what a surprise. The conspiracy theory, for which there is so much evidence, for which you have done so much research, collapses like a house of cards if you do so much as ask a few simple questions.

The instinctive reaction of conspiracy theorists is to refuse to accept that their conspiracy theory should be questioned. Its true because its true, why would you question it?

And you wonder why the troof movement is going nowhere.

 

I see so you're the teacher and we students shouldn't question anything you say? 'You people' are just supposed to discuss amongst ourselves? What a lot of arrogant rubbish.

 

the history channel has said that roosevelt did have prior knowledge that japan was going to attack hawaii. so the way i see it is, roosevelt should have been hung for treason. he had inside knowledge that our military personel was going to be fucked up and he kept his mouth shut.

 

PB, if you truly believe that the supposed "Truth Movement" is a floundering, disorganized movement that is "going nowhere" (which may certainly be the case) then why on earth do you spend SO much time arguing and disputing everything that it presents?

Even if it is all just a completely fringe paranoid conspiracy theory that holds no water and everyone associated with it are simply "lunatic conspiracy loons" then what is your motive for being so persistent in proving them wrong?

Logic would indicate that you must have something to gain from spending so much time doing so.

Perhaps a paycheck from the Counter Intelligence Program?

 

Yeah that makes sense. Anyone who questions the conspiracy must be part of it.

 

Please. What you've done here in the past 5 years goes far beyond "questioning the conspiracy." Throughout your past two accounts you've orchestrated countless thread derailments and distraction techniques, and frankly outright ad-hominem character assassinations of those involved in the Truth Movement, iconic or otherwise.

 

Yeah, hes went as far as asking for the truth or something credible.

Yet, in this thread alone Expose & earthmother have done that to everyone that has disagreed with them, but that didnt catch your eye.

Those that dont share the common hippy "worlds gonna end tomorrow" view have to play by a set of rules ie;"cnn isnt a credible source, unless they say we're building a NaftaSuperHighway, then of course it has to be true because cnn said it" ,while the nutters get away with making claims they cant back up.

Bad info is worse than no info.

I wouldnt say he's "more" persistent than the OP just as maybe.

Do you EVER question the motive behind these persistent dis-info postings?

Yeah, thats why they are so close to taking it to court,
just as soon as they figure out how to get around that "burden of proof" technicality.

 

If I am not mistaken, the collapse of the Twin Towers is the most investigated structural collapse in history. And as far as I know, there is only one group of people that seem to have a problem with the results of an exhausted investigation. From my experience the people from this group have little understanding of the investigation, the science and physics of it, nor care to understand. And have even admitted to not seeing the relevance in understanding the science and physic. I mean really, why try to understand what can be scientifically proven when all the evidence you need can be seen on tv and can be visually compared to nothing ever seen before.

 

They already have, but the troofers didnt like the results.

Anything an everything that could pass a peer review has been looked at.

And why would you need an investigation, you knew who done it the second it happened.

Yet the rest of us are "sheeple,shills,trolls" for not being opened-minded enough to believe this BS.

 

Does anybody remember the conspiracy theories about Bill & Hillary Clinton?

There was quite a handfull of of lurid acusations against the Clinton Clan:

That Hillary & Vince Foster were romantically linked.
Theories on Vince Fosters mysterous death.
Questions on Operations at Arkansas' Mena Intermountain Airport where The CIA had given Barry Seale a green light to land drug shipments in the hopes of entangling Sandinista operatives in revolutionary Nicarauga. That F.O.B. Dan Lassater was in on the Mena Deal as Clinton's conduit.
That Barry Seal's airpalne was confiscated by The CIA after Seal was assinated on the streeet in New Orleans and the Eugene Hafensas was shot down over Nicarauga in that same plane while on a covert mission.
All that Whitewater real estate and mortgage scandal with forged documents ( ah Deja Vu )
Campagain donations from Buddist Monks, Indonesian Financiers and whomever else.
That the death of Commerce Secretary Ron Brown had occured just weeks before the indicitment was coming down and how Brown's airplane had slammed into that mountain in The Balkans only days after Hillary had rode in it!


It was: The Great Right Wing Conspiracy... it was a great gas for a short while but then The NY Post got egg on its face for getting ahead of the story, ahead of fact checking. They Fired Christopher Ruddy who had been churning out the stories. The Paper was shamed and embarrased.
C. Ruddy went to work for Andrew Mellon Scarfe.

Major publications do not want to go where The NY Post went in 1994. But belive me that are on the sidelines checking the facts.

Does anybody have a handle on if any of the above theory is still smoldering ?

:troll:

 

There is overwhelming evidence that Clinton was overseeing a massive drug-smuggling operation out of Mena, Arkansas, along with daddy Bush in the 1980s. Just because the media decided to ignore it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Credible people have come forward confirming it. One of these people is Terry Reed, a former member of Air Force Intelligence, who worked for the CIA in Mena, where he witnessed complicity between then vice president Bush and then Arkansas governor Clinton, smuggling cocaine and heroin into the country to fund black budget operations.

Here is a clip of Terry Reed being interviewed about what he witnessed in Mena. Yes, he is being interviewed by Alex Jones, who I do not care much for, but just listen to what Reed had to say. Very interesting indeed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADd3TIPAbGY

For those of you who want to learn more, read Reed's book, Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA.

 

So apparently asking simple, straightforward questions, directly relevant to the topic, is "derailment" and "distraction".

Read through the thread. ETT and EM have point blank refused to allow any questioning of their theories. The mere act of questioning results in a flurry of insults and outrage.

Its a cult. Thats what happens when you question cult members.

 

Funny thing, I sure don't FEEL like a "cult" member... The "cult" remark has to go. It's total bullshit. So STOP bringing it up! That's like every time you argue with your girlfriend, telling her she is a whore, even if she's not... It's stupid and makes things ugly. If they WANT ugly, I can surely GIVE it to them... This argument goes no place. They accuse us of doing what THEY are doing, we accuse them of being idiots for accusing us of doing what they are doing....

I asked like 20 questions. The biggest ones being, "Like I said before, WHAT WOULD IT HURT to continue with investigations? Why do you not WANT any more investigation? If you and your ilk are RIGHT, then how can more professional investigation hurt your beliefs?"
or
"And WHY is the government being so secretive? WHY do average folks need to look so hard to discover things like the Iraq war being planned way in advance of 9-11? Don't you see that it is human nature for people to be skeptical of something when they feel they are being misled? Wouldn't it be smarter and make life EASIER for the government people if they actually LISTENED to the people and at least made a good showing of being up-front and truthful? What the heck? Does the government WANT there to be unanswered questions and dissent for some reason???"

I STILL don't see anybody answering them. Just ignoring them or talking around them and tossing out labels like "cult"....

EXPLAIN why it is OK for the government to keep so much information SECRET regarding 9-11 if they are "telling the truth". EXPLAIN how we are SUPPOSED to trust the government that is CAUGHT lying to the people OVER AND OVER AGAIN. EXPLAIN how those buildings simply came down in PERFECT demolition style. Yea, sure, one, MAYBE could have come down that way (but I doubt it, I watched a TV special one night about controlled demolitions, WAY BEFORE 9-11, and it's DAMN HARD WORK to get those buildings to come down like that!!!). EXPLAIN what is wrong with actually LOOKING at what happened. EXPLAIN why it is wrong to question the official story. If you CAN'T figure out some GOOD and reasonably BELIEVABLE explanations for these things, then SHUT THE HELL UP! Go back to your little FBI cave or wherever the hell you all came from.

There, is THAT ugly enough to suit you? I'm outta here. Until people can discuss things without acting like kindergarteners, we are all DOOMED to keep going thru more of the same... I hope you anti "conspiracy" folks end up ROTTING in a FEMA concentration camp someday.

 

That stuff about Clinton PRat presents is interesting, I was checking that out a while back. I don't doubt that most politicians are corrupt on some level, yet we don't hear about it (and if you happen to be the unfortunate soul who stumbles upon priviledged information, well you'll probably disappear).

The bottom line about Clinton though, is that whether or not he was overseeing a massive drug smuggling operation (or getting blow jobs in the Oval Office), we had a budget surplus, social programs, jobs, and filling up on gas didn't break the bank.

Now not only are the politicians and the corporate elite selling us out, but they're being BLATANT about it.