holocaust denial and toys

Discussion in 'U.K.' started by jonny2mad, Nov 28, 2007.

  1. jonny2mad

    jonny2mad Senior Member

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    do you feel people people should have the right to deny the holocaust ?

    does it matter more that the holocaust is true than say the story of 9/11 , or kuwait babys being thrown out of incubators , or first world war germans bayoneting babys for fun .

    do you think people should be able to make lego toys of the concentration camps to get kids from a young age to have a more rounded view of what the world is ?

    lego toys made by polish artist
    http://users.erols.com/kennrice/lego-kz.htm
     
  2. lithium

    lithium frogboy

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    I don't think it should be illegal to deny that the holocaust happened, I think it's important people have a right to air whatever views they like, no matter how wrong they are, short of inciting violence. People like the BNP and David Irving should be allowed to air their wrongheaded opinions, to expose them to the cold light of reason.


    I enjoyed the Concentration Camp Lego:D
     
  3. J0hn

    J0hn Phantom

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    The BNP. Not many people like this party. Are they still an official party?Anyway, I think one shouldn't deny the holocaust. It is an important part of history. And it is a warning for the future generations who might consider nuclear war. Never has this warning been so important than today. What with iran developing nuclear weapons and America kicking every country it opposes right in the bolitus. like world police, probably we might see a holocaust in our life time? History is important. It can be boring, but it can give us the gift of awareness.
     
  4. verseau_miracle

    verseau_miracle Banned

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    Well im not too sure about the lego, is this actually serious? I really dont think kids need to be faced with that stuff so head-on until theyre above lego playing age. Sure its the truth and they should be AWARE of it...but playing with little concentration camp lego figures!? Kind of overboard, also making a GAME out of it kind of seems to be defeating the object of letting them know the seriousness. Unless this is just some kind of joke. Seems screwy

    BUT im fully in agreement with Jon, people in denial shouldnt be forced to keep their mouths shut. No-one should. Reason WILL just expose their views as wrong and ridiculous and the level-headed wont buy in, and its free speech and all that

    I do think people should learn more about this part of history and pay more attention. My grandad was a WW2 victim as im sure many other peoples were around here, and it saddens me to see people spout such garbage about the holocaust. I have my grandads old war diary the evidence is there! But still, ill stand by and let the loonies have their say
     
  5. J0hn

    J0hn Phantom

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    I think kids are ready. Just the other month, two kids acted like little nazi guardsman by throwing gas cannisters inside a train. They were trying to gas the people. Similarly another kid chucked a gas cannister inside the bus where the driver was. Just because the driver asked him to pay for a ticket.

    Kids don't have any fear. They have what it takes and am sure they would be the ideal candidate for holocaust education. perhaps shock education might make them change their evilness?
     
  6. Velvet Smoke

    Velvet Smoke Member

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    That lego doesn't sit right with me. The skeletons behind the fence it seemed like a joke with their little plasticy faces...bit too far if you ask me. Don't deny it happened, but I don't think we need to be making lego kits of it...
     
  7. IlUvMuSIc

    IlUvMuSIc Senior Member

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    I like it. I think its a nice idea and it doesnt make the children have to think about it too much but still know about it. I wouldnt mind one but err of course i dont have any lego *cough* yeah...
     
  8. Quoth the Raven

    Quoth the Raven RaveIan

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    Haha.. those lego sets were created for an art exhibition in the 90s. there were only 3 sets made, and I doubt very much that they'd be mass-marketed - think of the bad publicity for lego!
     
  9. nynysuts

    nynysuts No Gods, No Masters

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    Horrible lego, the skeletons are smiling, I think that's disrespectful. I'm torn on this subject. I believe in free-speech, but I believe hate shouldn't be preached. There's something to think about next mind-numbing RE lesson.
     
  10. Peace-Phoenix

    Peace-Phoenix Senior Member

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    The cold light of reason remains a rational stance as long as there are a majority of people who are willing and able to expose fringe nutjobs like Irving for what they are. When it becomes more dangerous is when such a majority no longer exists, when irrational opinions form the majority or the official position and when such opinions might make it more likely that an atrocity on the scale of the Holocaust could happen again where people have not learnt their lessons from history. Turkish denial of the Armenian massacre is a case in point - the official stance of Turkish government is a highly irrational one. In that sense I can understand why Austria and Germany would have laws against Holocaust Denial. The other trouble is that in the case of David Irving, he's set his ideas out as rational histories and that has a tremendous potential to mislead....
     
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