Here's an overview of my MAIN point, if you don't feel like reading the whole thing. But if you are going to disagree, at least try and read the whole thing, so no misconceptions are made and we can have a steady debate.. LSD just makes people 'smarter', in ways that require no research for facts, nor schooling. If an issue is based purely on something society made that way, and LSD can open up the perception / mental state to see past that, then there you go. If somebody has a troubling addiction that's purely mental, LSD can help them see the path (which is usually hidden terribly in the dark), which their addiction has been leading them, and be frightened enough not to go down the path they were putting themselves AGAIN. Kind of why this drug is 50-50 with addictions, some people can address the issue while on the drug and hold the 'fix' after the drug wears off. If somebody is struggling with depression, and LSD may be the key to enlightenment, then there's another fix. It may not work for all different cases of depression, but definitely a few. I know people who are depressed because they don't have the best job, aren't making the most money, have family issues tying them down.. Even though we should be able to assume the best naturally, sometimes something like LSD can help magnify the amount of thought you put into it. Depressed over a shitty job? Maybe LSD can help you realize that what builds a good life isn't what society finds good (which is always stereotypical / cliche to some extent). See, that would be a whole different parallel to view the situation, as then 'go to college, get a better job'. Before I ever tried psychedelics, or even drugs in general, I had a pretty negative outlook to the whole scene which was involved with them. I wish somebody delivered something different to my city, as the LSD papers around here are a bit more unpromising than not. I believe LSD 'helps' (I use this term vaguely) people, becoming more understanding of different points of views and perspectives. I mean if you check out the drawings they had an artist draw under the influence of LSD (and a low amount at that), you can see how his view/perceptions changed on how to capture things around him on paper, and I think this can be used as a legitamate metaphor to how LSD helps effect one mentally when processing what's logically correct in a given situation. I mean, not while they are under the influence ofcourse..., but while under the influence, the idea's which the user may try and think of, can be seem from a whole new perspective, and usually the user keeps these rationalizations after the trip is done as sort of an enlightenment-type idea in their mind to keep.. hence the phenomena of people feeling 'changed', and usually for the better.. It's pretty much well known that we use a small percentage of our brain at a time for certain things (however we do use all of it in some shape or form, article), and it's pretty amazing what effects can be shown when we allow the useage to expand a little higher than what is normal (apparently?). I think using LSD to build up better perception, ultimately a less narrow-mind, etc., is beneficial. Learn things on your own by conquering your own fears, and thoughts that have been making you feel a bit uneasy in your own personal life... instead of being told how to cope.. It seem like, whenever somebody consults another person for an answer to a problem, they are limiting themselves to help only available by an outside source.. LSD pretty much helps things be looked at in almost all mentally known perspectives, thus being able to give oneself their own options, (however common sense plays a role here.. I'd hope the person knows what they may choose is correct and safe). Pretty much people solving their own problems, making them better at how they cope and handle situations, rather than always relying on some sort of prescription drug to cure 'obesity' (they could see it in them to do it the natural way, and believe in it), or to cure 'depression' (see obstacles in life that are not so depressing), or to subside 'addictions' (by realizing what their other drug use has been doing to them in a more critical manner). (this is where the mood of the post changes) I hate `why` society goes down hard on certain types of substances because of the ignorance in certain people. If you think about it, there are problems which linger around in almost everybodys lives as an issue worth addressing (and only because society makes it that way, and with that sort of awakening, you could probably be your own person..) .. physical appearances (facially, obesity), sicknesses (whether a hypocondriac or not), money (since in the somewhat cliche outlook, the more money, the better things apparently should be in life).. When something has a bad side, it's immediately tossed out as a possibility for curing whatever the issue may be (physically). And the issues caused by administering LSD are mainly only temporary.. and mentally.. Humans are too much for convenience. LSD has 'potential' benefits, but since some people get (pretty much, bad luck) with the drug, it's automatically discarded, since people want things done without the effort. When things just aren't conclusive enough.. I mean, why not use it as a vague approach? It can seriously do wonders for certain people, maybe not ALL the time, but certainly no reason to make it no available to anybody.. Why not have it there as an idea for certain problems? With ofcourse, no guarantee's being made. If it's controlled by the government in a way where it's still available medically, then where's the issues? You can still ban people from doing the drug in public (but it would still exist on the black market), so that way.. maybe somewhere, someone out there with a legitamate mental issue needs help, and LSD can be the cure, placebo or not.. it would still be a cure. I just don't see why everything needs a 100% approval and be 100% guaranteed. So many medications which could seriously hurt somebody material wise.. with expensive medical bills (not just freaking out and running into an ER), actual problems like liver/heart/kidney failure, and on top of it get let out on the condition that you understand it may be a possibility by the use of the drug you may be on.. but flaunting around on a mental case from LSD in a CONTROLLED environment is such an issue.. hmm. I hate the contradictions in life. It's funny to see the risks of certain medical drugs go out on the fly, but LSD is apparently "the risk". Even TV shows are making fun of all the side effects most modern day medical products have, always being said after the commercial in fast and light-tone voices (to mislead the buyer).. It's true. I'm sure LSD would be 100% more safe, done in a medical situation rather than the.. chilling with your friends situation who are flirting with the drug the first time themselves.. So many more advanced and actually-factual techniques of making the trip subside could be done in any of the worst of cases.. I just don't see the need for tossing this drug down the drain when it actually had potential to get rid of alcoholic addictions by breaking down how the user sees an addiction IN THEIR MIND. That way you don't really need any twice-a-day medication.., you are using the power of your mind. Ha, and then the ignorance that gets put into innocent open minded people in society due to the propaganda on LSD.. Idk, discuss if you are interested. I know I speak of a point of relying on other drugs (outside sources) to making the quality of life better, and that essentially relying on LSD to do so would be the same thing.. However, LSD is just different in that sense, not to mention, if it does work the first time, there would be no need to administer it to a patient again. It wouldn't be the prescription type drug I'd believe.. but definitely a `come-in and try this out` at some sort of psychiatrist place.
People just dont understand the meaning of "Using psychedelics" They'll think people just use them to see stuff that isnt there, and escape reality and maybe even have a really bad trip because the drugs are bad. people are only ignorant towards them because they are infact drugs. Which leads to the question: Why are people ignorant towards drugs, and the answers pretty obvious. You gotta think though, they burnt Galileo's theories because other people were biased towards them based on preset beleifs. So imagine what they'd say to a drug that produces an outlook that contradicts those same preset beleifs. So id say there is no good or bad in psychedelics, its just what one makes out of it's use. There are many people have used psychedelics and turned into bums, and some who have become millionares. You cant say anyone who dosnt use christianity to purify their lives is any less of a person then someone who does, or vise versa. The same goes for psychedelics. If that was understood then you would agree that their should be a church that gives people the chance to explore the world of psychedelics, in a civilized manor.
Yeah, I guess that would be the first step (teaching), but the same thing was happening in the 1960's apparently, and even with a good amount of followers... Thousands at a time showing up to an event that pretty much meant.. lots of dosing and good music floating in the air.. It still got a bad reputation. If anything I find quite the opposite on psychedelics.. if it's getting too rough, I want to escape the reality it put me in.. not escape the reality I am always apart of. I don't know of many people who use drugs to get out of positions (besides opiate users), and then to say LSD would do just that to top it off, I hate stereotyping like that. Most of the time if somebodys taking it without prior knowledge to it's effects, they get weirded out quickly/frantic because they do not know what to expect.. Just too odd. By teaching I mean enlightenment, because I use to believe half of this, before I learned about it.. Thinking that a good/bad trip was on a flick of a coin, and that a bad trip was some seemingly unescapable hell where you think and want to kill yourself.. Ignorant stuff basically.. Spines holding traces forever, brains bleeding, so many rediculous rumors.. that when you are told otherwise.. You feel like you have been being lied to your whole life.. It really is just pure enlightenment.. I wonder how LSD would of tied together with the renaissance, that seems like the only age besides the ones in greek days where this would be accepted. It's the same thing with everything controversial.. Yeah, Galileo is another precious example. His teachings were not proper (at the time) as they defied the old idea of God and the earth being the center of the solar system. But why wait another 200 years to realize we are fucking up again? :-\ "So id say there is no good or bad in psychedelics, its just what one makes out of it's use" Exactly, so if it has a potential for good, and to cure addictions of all things, than why not have people try that instead of getting addicted to new things to lose old addictions.. (And that's only one of the benefits). Also, if it's still banned, and for medical approaches, then the use couldn't really be bad. I know there will always be the druggies.. who do drugs to do drugs.. and screw up things, but that's no reason to overlook the potential of something so powerful. "If that was understood then you would agree that their should be a church that gives people the chance to explore the world of psychedelics, in a civilized manor." The only part of your post I find a bit extreme, I don't think the world of religion can be used to describe anything else in life unless it's a vague metaphor, as that's something that has been trailing around since the beginning of Man. There would be so many other things that 'Churchs' would be established for, if they started establishing one to try a drug. And let's not forget how in America, being gay is still being debated as to whether it is ultimately acceptable, when it was practically weird to be not gay back in the old Greek / Rome days. Sorry if I upset anybody for not knowing the reference perfectly, but that's definitely a fact. It just goes to show you, that what is made wrong, is only so because of how society as a whole interprets to be. It's better for the society to be mostly happy, then mostly upset, if you get what I'm saying. Drugs get their reputation from the addiction they cause, and the lives they have ruined for some.. and for the physical problems they can also cause.. Which is all true, but classifying drugs as a whole due to one drug (usually heroin to make all the bad examples about drugs), is the same as classifying a race because of one person.. In a weird, vague, manner. Lets not forget that society has lost it's respect and integrity too. Such things use to have both, and they still do in the Shamanic area's of the world.. Opiate plants had respect, but also had a known addictive nature, way back when in the country's they had originated from.
Well people who go to church and people who trip have common ground. People who are not involved in church or tripping dont have a clue what goes on in either. So i guess it was a metephore of some sort. It would be impossible for LSD to acheive respect now anyway, to much has been said about by the important people. All we can do is hope doctors unite in continuing psychedelic testing. But tripping through the blackmarket does have its charms
Well maybe Russia legalizing it and finding out something cool will be a start.. I mean it is one big ass country
Look up salvia on youtube. Watch how all of thoughs kidiots space out and go out of there minds. Now imagine you are a parent who doesn't know the truth, or doesn't agree to spirtal encounters, watching that. Then add that to the news witha biased view. You and I see it as someone learning about them self and gaing a deeper understanding to what they have seen and experance, everyone else sees it as someone being hurt or going insane ect ect. Add lsd, or e to the same situation and now you have a drug war. To top everything off, people like bad things (why do you think you always see so and so was killed by a car instead or so and so was born today on the news) and people who have bad trips make the most noise telling everyone they see about it and not to try it ect ect. J.C
Thats what I mean, but the idea of "zoning out" has been around forever, and usually not looked down upon. Refer to meditating and other techniques from the midevil period. And its a shame salvia made its way mainstream. People are still scared and biased towards LSD, but suck back salvia because its legal, and it straight up fucks you up. Ive never met anyone smart enough that has actually used savlia as a tool, and there explanation of their trip sounds like mere stupidity as to why they even bothered with it. The biggest shame however is the fact that the doctors are prescribing drugs for everything under the sun, based on nothing but words. Compare anti-depressant related deaths to acid, e or any other recreational drug and you would see how fucking stupid shit has become.
To Awaken to Cosmic Consciousness... Means to Lose what we have now. Trading Certainty for Change. Imagine if you told people that you had a wonderful experience for them but they had to die first? How many would take the risk of the unknown? LSD in particular has an ability to "kill" the ego or facets of it. Why do you think acid has turned into such a big scare? Compared to: Cocaine, Heroin, Alcohol, Ecstasy, even Methamphetamine. *shrug* I feel that the lsd use by the counterculture of the 60s and 70s as well as the activity level of the counterculture made it easy for the "Them" (gov't and authority types) to remove an undesirable element from society not by criminalizing thoughts (which would cause further uproar) but by criminalizing recreation. The misinformation lasted so long that now it has stayed ingrained in our culture.
Every drugs makes you temparily lose something. Alchohol, commen sence, opiates, pain... Its the logic beind losing your mind that creates ignorance.
