In response to this question I was asked: My response: To understand this, you must first understand the agenda of those pulling the strings. Those behind the scenes -- behind the veneer of left/right politics and "elected officials" -- have been working tirelessly for countless generations to usher in a new system of global control. A tyrannical one world government, which is fascistic at the top and administered through scientific socialism. In order to acclimate people to this new system, you must change their perceptions and way of thinking. You must erase traditional family values and those concerning nationalism. The ones pulling the strings are not conservative nationalists, but socialist globalists. They don't seek to control the world, its wealth and resources, because they already do. They seek to impose their will on every man, woman and child on this earth. Because it would be much too difficult for them to simply all of a sudden take full control over the people by extreme force, they must do it gradually, and they do this by changing the way people think. This way the people will be better suited to accept the changes planned, which they will think is normal because of their scientific indoctrination. One of the easiest ways to overthrow a population is by using psychological warfare. One of the main goals of this global elite has always been to destroy the family unit, because the family unit represents the last vestige of the tribe. Families stick together and stand up for each other when their kin are in danger. People who don't have family to defend them are perfect targets for the state. If you can destroy the familiy unit, then you destroy the bond that holds society together. This creates people who will turn to the state for help, placing them under the state's control. Socialism has never been about helping people, but controlling and managing people. Feminism was well-funded by the CIA and big foundations because those in control knew that if they could get both parents out of the house and working -- under the guise of "equal rights," of course -- they would have double the tax base with which to increase the size of government and its control over the people socialistically. At the same time, the children would be raised by state indoctrination centers known as public schools and day care. So drugs were promoted from the top along with "free love," the pill and the hippy culture, to usher in a new phase of control by turning upside-down everything that was once looked upon as "normal." Religion -- in particular Christianity -- worked well for control purposes for only so long, and the controllers knew another religion would be needed to guide the people like sheep into the next pasture, into the phase we are now entering. This would be an earth-based religion based on State and Gaia worship. This coincided with the birth of the New Age and radical environmentalism, which stresses that humans are parasitic and that the number of people living on earth must be drastically reduced. They knew that if they could create a generation that would willingly submit to sterilization to "save mother earth," it would be half the battle for them in their quest to reduce 80% of the world's population. This populaton reduction would only be in the name of saving the earth when sold to the masses. However, what the elite really want is a utopia on earth for only themselves, where much of the existing population would no longer be needed and the remaining number would become slaves of the chosen ones of this utopia on earth. Their utopia is our hell. In another thread about about Aldous Huxley and his contribution to the 60's counter-culture, I wrote: Aldous Huxley was of an aristocratic family in Britain. Aldous Huxley's grandfather, Thomas Huxley, was a famous biologist and humanist, a high-level Freemason, as well as a leading founder of the Rhodes Round Table groups. His brother was one of the founders, as well as the first director of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO). For over 60 years UNESCO has been working to implement the global scientific dictatorship described in Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. Aldous Huxley and his brother Julian were tutored at Oxford by the Fabian socialist and New World Order propagandist, H.G. Wells, who was a British intelligence agent and the head of British foreign intelligence during World War I. In her book, The Aquarian Conspiracy, author Marylin Ferguson sees the 60's counterculture, spearheaded by Huxley, as being what Wells referred to as "The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution". "The open conspiracy", Wells wrote, "will appear first, I believe, as a conscious organization of intelligent and quite possibly in some cases, wealthy men, as a movement having distinct social and political aims, confessedly ignoring most of the existing apparatus of political control, or using it only as an incidental implement in the stages, a mere movement of a number of people in a certain direction who will presently discover with a sort of surprise the common object toward which they are all moving... In all sorts of ways they will be influencing and controlling the apparatus of the ostensible government." It's important to note that Brave New World isn't some work of fictitious speculation, but rather is based on insider knowledge of this long-term agenda which we now see emerging with full-force. Aldous Huxley was never against this agenda, and as a matter of fact he was all for it. The man was what you would call an elitist. If you listen to the speech he gave at Berkeley in March of 1962, he openly advocates this rise of a scientific dictatorship, and speaks of a time when man will be under the total control of a Scientific Elite with the aid of drugs and propaganda, as well as the interfacing of man with computers, creating a new kind of super-slave or automoton of sorts. This theme would later be repeated in books by Zbigniew Brzezinski in the 1970's (see Between Two Ages: America's Role in the Technetronic Era (1970)). So Aldous Huxley was very much a part of the establishment. He was largely the one behind the rise of this hippie movement in America (on orders from the British Crown), which was never a grassroots movement, but part of a much bigger agenda to destroy the moral fabric of the country, making way for this BRAVE NEW WORLD we are now living in. It was Huxley who turned people like Ken Kesey and Timothy Leary (a CIA agent) on to LSD, thus popularizing it and the then-burgeoning counter-culture. Huxley and Leary were similar in that they were both working for the government. Most people don't know that the hippie movement was a massive sham perpetrated on the youth of America by old men in white lab coats. It was never the grassroots movement they naively believe it to be. It was handed down from the top and promoted by the media to subvert American society and create a shift in consciousness towards the coming "New Age" -- the Age of Aquarius. The hippie movement was imposed on the American people by the British, and was based on the pagan cult ceremonies of the decadent Roman and British Empires. Below is a description of the cult ceremonies dating back to the Egyptian Isis priesthood of the third millenium B.C., which can be compared to a hippy "be-in" of the 1960's. "The acts or gestures that accompany the incantations constitute the rite [of Isis]. In these dances, the beating of drums and the rhythm of music and repetitive movements were helped by hallucinatory substances like hashish or mescal; these were consumed as adjuvants to create the trance and the hallucinations that were taken to he the visitation of the god. The drugs were sacred, and their knowledge was limited to the initiated... Possibly because they have the illusion of satisfied desires, and allowed the innermost feelings to escape, these rites acquired during their execution a frenzied character that is conspicuous in certain spells: "Retreat! Re is piercing thy head, slashing thy face, dividing thy head, crushing it in his hands; thy bones are shattered, thy limbs are cut to pieces!" Just as the British inundated the Chinese with drugs in the 19th Century, the 60's counterculture had the same effect of subverting American society, making it decadent and complacent, and thus easy to control.
What about John Lennon? Terrence McKenna? Abbie Hoffman? And Huxleys book later book "island" featured a totally different society than "brave new world". I've heard that Island was HIS idea of a utopia.. and represented many of his ideas. (a great book btw) And Georges 1984?
so the controlled society at the time which was made of the family bonds needed to be divided... and the lsd and what not was the engine to realize the corruption? so that there could be a rebellion, which would be easily won by the government, to soften up and further divide society? and this all tied in with all the other movements, about race,etc., for a grand conclusion of division? correct me if i'm wrong.
As the 19th century pope of Freemasonry Albert Pike said, "We always give the people their heroes," and nobody gains any notoriety under this system unless they're promoted by the top. For instance, somebody could be saying things that are very important and very true, but nobody will know of them unless they are promoted by the establishment through the media which they own and control. People don't simply become famous because of their talents or the things they say, but because they are promoted with an agenda. Now I cannot speak much about Abbie Hoffman, but based on what I know about him he was a tool of the establishment used to create a false or controlled opposition to that same establishment. The radical or "new" left movement was also used by the establishment to create the illusion of balance in a political establishment that was moving in a left-wing or socialist direction, making that system look more conservative by comparison. I know even less about Terrance McKenna, so I cannot say, but what I said in the first paragraph almost always holds true under this system of scientific control we live under. The Beatles were part of a mass mind control experiment conducted by the Tavistock Institute in London. The Beatles later "psychedelic" image was just as packaged as their early mop-top look. This was designed to go hand in glove with the drug culture, which was also pushed from the top. It was the Beatles who introduced the eastern religions --which were to combine with Christian culture -- to the public mindset of the Western world. This was all designed to create a sea change in society and a shift in mass-consciousness, away from the traditional, American, Judeo-Christian values of the Piscean age, to the global NEW AGE of Aquarius, which was really the dawning of a new religion based on earth worship and a method of socialistic control. It corresponded with the breakdown in societal mores and the destruction of the family unit, which was planned from the top as a way to weaken society and make it more easy to shape according to the agenda. The goal of the elite has always been to create a global scientific-socialist society based on science and mass-psychology to control and manage the population. As far as John Lennon, he was not a conscious player in this agenda. He was being used without his knowledge. (This is also the case with Hoffman and most established "heroes" under this system, who are merely being used as dupes.) Lennon was a brilliant man who genuinely wanted to bring the people of the world together in the name of peace and harmony. He later came to learn about how he was being used, and this came in 1969, when Lennon met with Marshall McLuhan in Toronto. McLuhan told Lennon about the system and how he was being used by the establishment to manipulate society. Lennon became very bitter around this time, and you can hear this on his Plastic Ono Band album from 1970, which is like a 180 degree shift from his abstract and psychedelic "flower power" lyrics with the Beatles. Lennon "found out" about how the system, which used him for all those years, was working to move society in a pre-planned direction. Lennon started to speak out more and more about the things he knew over the years, which eventually resulted in his murder by the government mind-controlled MK ULTRA assassin, Mark David Chapman.
that's really odd, i was reading about abbie hoffman earlier, and i was thinking about how he probably was a government agent some questions.. where does albert hoffman and lsd come into this.? you mean the government WANTED the youth to take lsd and see reality for what it was, intentionally, while the anti drug movement would build the right? so the goal was to further divide the left and right movements? was the beatles the only controlled ones, so that they could spark an influence on music, to further the psychedelic flower power leftist shit, so that other artists could manually pattern themselves after the beatles, or were other artists like floyd conditioned to do so?
Free love didn't come out of drugs, it came out of people opening their minds and seeing that the way of the world is fucked up and wrong. I do agree that drugs like LSD were introduced to the public as an attempt to disrupt society, but it had a positive effect rather than a negative one for many people. Although laws were passed because of what was "made to happen", and that was a bad thing about it
Free love was promoted from the top -- by the media and its established counter-culture "heroes" -- along with drugs. Free love was being promoted as a way to destroy the family unit by encouraging infidelity and promiscuity, which went along with the introduction of the pill and abortion clinics. Part of their plan was to change the public's perception about sex, away from the loving bond shared between two people, largely for procreation purposes, to something people do simply for pleasure, to satisfy their lowest animalistic urges. This in turn has been used as another way to distract, demoralize, and thus subvert society, and was a big part of Huxley's Brave New World, where the preoccupation with sex was used as a control mechanism. Society has taken many steps backwards since that time period as we have seen a gradual progression of these subversive tactics that were first put into place back then. It actually started back further than that, because before they began targeting the white middle class, they were targeting the black population using the same indoctrination methods, as a way to destroy the family unit and create a massive underclass dependent on the state.
What makes you so sure that LSD makes people see reality for what it is? I wouldn't say that holds true for the people who walked out of windows to their death, thinking they could fly, or the people who are permanently damaged from their use of these drugs. I have had experience with these drugs myself, as well as many people I have known. Many of these people aren't the brightest bulbs, and if anything have been negatively affected from using these drugs. I don't think drugs are the route to seeing things as they are. A person shouldn't need drugs to look within themselves. Either you have it in you or you don't. Again, the agenda was to create chaos in society. Out of chaos comes order, and if you can create the problem, you can just as well offer the pre-planned "solution" to that problem. If you want to destroy the old to bring in the new, you have to introduce elements into society which seems grassroots, which are in fact change agents but serve a very different purpose than what the average person is lead to believe. Infiltrating society with drugs was just another way of softening the people up, so they could be all that much easier to control and mislead. The British did the same thing with the Chinese in the opium wars, and going back even before that. It's a very old tactic
i guess i could've worded that better, but regardless, i assume lsd was used as a catalyst to divide society, because that's what it did. the unpredictable effects only fueled that.
i think drugs are used to dumb people down, even if lsd-25 had "spiritual" or "thereputical" effects or whatever you wouldnt be getting them from all the research chemicals that have replaced lsd since. from what ive heard, the llama family which supplys a good portion of the pacific northwest "acid" supply gets their stuff from someone on the inside who gets a box of leftover psychological testing chemicals that are suppose to be thrown out, and he just sells it to the llama family so they can sell it as acid. pretty fuckin disgusting. i always wondered why their shit always tastes different. i really dont have any proof for that claim but all the stuff that comes from the llama family tastes different with different batches and some old hippy who said he new the people told my friend about where they get their stuff. real lsd is suppose to be 100% oderless and tasteless. i dont know about you guys but ive never got any tastless "acid" and neither have any of my friends
rofl man you should just judge lsd based on the experience, not the taste. that probably has more to do with the blotter or whatever its on anyway, but if you take it out of a vial in pure form, it shall taste the same every time. if you really doubt it, i guess you can try to make it yourself to prove that theory wrong, or maybe watch somebody else do it, maybe see it online or something, but let me just be the one to tell you that theres specific directions for lsd. its surprising we could even stumble upon it in the first place, let alone achieve the 1 in 564876876876878735454 neurological effects of it, which would not happen through random psychological leftovers. it is odd that the drug made it out to the public, i mean if they cia really wanted to keep it disclosed, i have a tough time believing it would have made its way out. but, thats back to the root of the topic, i think it was a catalyst for dividing society, which was the ultimate objective. i assure you you're wrong about random chemicals achieving the same effect everytime. but i do think things cia imported drugs like heroin and coke are used for that though, and money for black projects as pressed rat mentioned.
ive had bitter tasting doses from the vial several times, its common knowledge that research chemicals are passed off as lsd all the time. go on erowid and look at how many different research chemicals you can get fucked up on. the effects are always subtly different and last for different lengths. most research chemical arnt even illegal yet so you can order them online if they dont find out your selling it for human consumption. thats why theyre so common cause its a lot easier to just order a drug online than to get a hold of lysergic acid and other illegal chemicals and make lsd.
i dont get why everyone thinks of acid as the one miracal drug that opens your mind and shows you reality for what it is or whatever you no good hippies think. it meant to dumb people down and divide society just like any other drug. its no secret it was being tested by the government for mind control and chemical warfare during world war 2.
Back on the topic... yes this is rather interesting, it seems so comic that so many works have been created on this topic in different countries in different languages by different authors, but all on the theme of this "new world order" to warn us of the future, and still its perfectly clear that we are a raging river heading down stream... brilliant really! But some questions/thoughts i have for you Pressed_Rat... What about the Kennedy assasination In what ways do the ancient Illuminatti fit in here with the freemasons... And how deep in history is this businees rooted? (and i know this is farfetched but whats your take on it) What about Extra terrestrials, in what ways are they (if at all) connected here... well just some thoughts to ponder about....
oh, i thought you were saying that random chemicals mimic lsd or something. as long as we agree that lsd is extremely different from any research chemical, its all good....if one read up on lsd and learnt it, and then tried to buy some, and get a chemical that isn't lsd, you would know whether it was or wasn't after and hour or so, and for sure after you were done. it isn't used to dumb anyone down, if it was, itd be a lot easier to get and probably legal. you say its hard to get, thats only because they government wanted it that way. its easy as fuck to make if you know what you're doing, if there was an advantage of it, it would be readily available. but a different and associative perspective is the last thing that the illuminati or whoever is controlling wants. i do agree it was use to divide though. its supposed to taste bitter in its pure form btw. if you want to mind control with it, you need to have a person locked in a padded room, with messages playing over and over while heavily dosed. if mind control could be done through freewilled usage, the world would be very different. also, the government would've went with hoffman reccomendation to regulate lsd use. i like you thinking outside the box, but wtf just so you know, i'm not even close to a hippie. i'm a 16 years old kid who thinks associatively. when you label like that, you're only setting yourself up for close mindedness. also, you're exactly right. lsd isn't a drug that opens your mind, it won't do that for you. you open your mind, and thats the way its always been. and even after an experience, it can inspire one to further enlighten themselves naturally. sometimes all people need is a glimpse of their full potential to muster the devotion. it isn't called the yogi medicine for no reason. crazy ivan as far as jfks assasination goes, im pretty sure about a conspiracy. there was so much disinfo after it happened, most of which was probably intended by the government, to distract and confuse. it was dumb as hell, shit like jfk was an agent for cuba, and disinfo like that. even the government later agreed there was some sort of conspiracy, as an attempt to gatekeep the information. a good site for the info you're trying to look up on would be educate-yourself.org
the difference is only sutble. research chems usually take a couple hours to kick in as opposed to 30 min for lsd. rc's last a lot longer usually. you can overdose on research chemicals if you take to much, which you shouldnt have to worry about with lsd. most people who sell rc's tell people its lsd because its been popularized by the hippy movement and its easier to move. and most people who take them think theyre getting lsd. a lot of people who sell it dont even know theyre rc's cause theyre dealer told them its lsd, i mean dude they fuck you up just like acid its not easy to tell the difference if your not experienced. you see the same corruption and exploitation in the black market as you do in the free market their all shit heads. youd think people who have had their mind expanded would better than that but they are the same as the fat capitalist pigs. and the people who buy it thinking theyre going to magically expand their minds through drugs and free love are just like the sheeple who blindly follow religon trying to satisfy theyre lives with a false sense of security of where they end up in the afterlife. lsd dosnt expand your mind knowledge and health does. falling into the whole "hippy scence" is just as much falling into the corporate game as being an evangelic christian, theyre both government created false solutions to lifes problems, both targeting a different groups of people and then put against each other to divide people against each other while simontaneously dumbing them down by keeping them blind to the real solution which is love, knowledge, and health. the mind has always been controlled by freewill, hitler didnt need the whole padded room shenanigens to get his army. all you need is drugs, propaganda, and a common enemy to unite the ignorant masses. that was sarcasm, i alway call people no good hippys, its funny when i say it cause i use a staunch repulican billy orielly voice, no labeling intended yay, conclusion met
yeah, the whole counter culture really fucked up lsds reputation. its an amazing thing when taking by smart individuals, instead of rebellious social groups who took it with the intention to get "fucked up". the ones who take it for spitual reasons will get the full effects. it really has more to do with the individuals mind than even the dosage, which is what makes it unique. of course dividing was the plan. lsd was the fuel for the most divided time in our nations history, the 60s, with maybe the exception of the present time we're in. we're pretty damn divided as a nation, the most since those days. if somebody took an rc for the first time thinking its lsd, theyd be fooled. infact, there's probably a good number of people thinking that. but on the other hand, if somebody took lsd, and then had somebody try to rip them with an rc, they would know within a few hours that they got jipped. i misunderstood you a bit at first, but lsd can and has been the fuel for a reborn intellectual mind. its also been the opposite. the results are a product of ones imagination and understanding, and possibly, genetics. we went pretty off topic, but lsd isn't too far off from the original purpose of the thread, the counter culture. im glad we could conclude this though. but things like the counter culture just don't happen without planning. if the government wanted to stop it, they could've done it in the infancy stages of it. just like the time we live in today. i think we'll be going through another "60's" pretty soon.
