- Orange Morning -

yes i've been struggling with the concept of reincarnation. it seems to totally discredit christianity "one chance" kinda thing. the "do as God says or go to hell" part"....now, although i do think ppl have exagerated that a little bit, if you get reincarnated you are just coming back right here, so does it really not matter what you do at all in this life? but i do think i remember you saying something about how our lives are journeys, through which we are constantly learning how to become closer to God. well, looking at it this way, it seems like everyone is learning and there is no one evil in the world, or that evil does not exist. evil does exist though, as i've felt satan's presence, (the single most horrifying experience of my life) so, wouldn't it be right that some ppl are cast into hell?


oh by the way, if you are gonna read the old testament, be prepared to really be put off. i read Joshua last night, and it's basically the story of Israel conquering lands and slaughterning everyone that was already there. hmmmm... b/c God told them to do it. that really doesn't sound like a kind, loving, and merciful God to me?



P.S. - I apologize to everyone, b/c this thread isn't even about LSD anymore. whoops. lol.

 

Yea, God's 'chosen people' of Joshua, right? lol I know :tongue:
And it's not that our life doesnt matter in wether we do good or bad things, because karma decides how long we keep coming back, and what our next life will be like. And really I dont think evil exists, I think negativity exists and it is caused by our attachment to physical nature. Desire is the root of all evil and none of it is eternal, just like Nature is not eternal. But if Nature is born out of and dies into Love, then Love is the eternal force and the only actualy 'reality'. Just my opinion, of course!

 

I cant express my thanks enough for your post on this orange morning RELAYER. I too was reborn from a hard trip as you may know and I could never find a way to describe these feelings with words. I was not really able to remember most of my trip, but the small part I remember was relinquished in my memory by this post. I remember going out of my bubble (which I saw as a bubble of energy) and wandering around in a land where all life had returned to sand and I was still there even though all life was gone. I remember the pain and anguish which forced me to do nothing but wander around in this desert looking for what I already knew did not exist. Every feeling you described I can remember now. Coming back to life after this long death was the best feeling I have ever had and if I was able to cry I would have but emotion was just so powerful I could not bring myself to show it externally. The feelings where above the physical to the end of all eternity and back. I lost all reality and cannot remember anything for 95% of the trip. It lasted a million lifetimes which i can not recall if you understand the feeling behind what I am typing. Returning into the sun and finally slowly regaining sight of physical was indescribable. I have never been the same nor have I ever completely came down off that trip. I never really understood anything in life until that moment; all facts I had ever known every moment I had lived was acted out blindly with no meaning and no truth. I woke up for the first time after I lived without life. You definately described everything to a tee including the confusion about christ.

 

Im happy that my post meant so much to you elfin
Like Yogananda said, Once you taste the bliss of God nothing else can compare.
I've had several trips that I died from and came back, this is the one that was the least painful physically and for some reason I remember it almost entirely. The hardest death was on mushrooms with Autnetique (she posts here) and that was just too beyond words to ever share with anyone. Only the look in her eyes after it was through let me see that someone else was there with me, someone else saw the Truth.

 

I keep realizing this more and more.
It's a tricky thing seeing the Truth, it changes everything and the things that I found comfort in, dont work the same way anymore. They never really did, is just that now I'm aware of it.

 

Sorry guys and gals had to bump this too

 

gah dont bump this one, I was straight retarded in this thread.

 

nah neo you were only asking the questions that most christians want to but are afraid to, don't feel dumb. I'm glad threads like this get bumped because they don't expire and are always relevant. I was going to peruse erowid for trip stories but these here are bountiful

 

yes well I've since moved onto the dark side LOL. reading my old posts is like reading something a different person wrote, it's strange.

 

Dont worry, sometimes I get the same feeling too. Although Im not sure if I have moved onto the dark side, or out of it, but after all, isnt the dark side the same side as the "light" side and the whole side thing is just something we use to "put" ourselves into place.

Crazy ramble. I feel extra crazy today.

 

I would say that you left the dark side, the false side.