- 3rd Eye Focus -

Namaste! Hello everyone, I hope you are all not tired of this 3rd eye discussion, I just was reading a book that I bought this weekend and I had some thoughts to share. The book is called Third Eye by Tuesday Lobsang Rampa, and is actually written by a Westerner who claims to that his body was occupied by Lobsang's spirit. At first one would be quick to call bullshit, but when you discover that the author had never been to Tibet, did not speak any the Tibetan language, and wrote about a lifestyle of growing up in a home and then in a monastery in Tibet describing in intimate detail that which is not described in Tibetan literature, one begins to wonder "Just how, then, did he manage to write this novel?" Strange stuff but that is besides the point.
What I wanted to discuss, is how he recalls being brought to the monestary and having an operation to force his 3rd eye intuition open, as he was discovered by the lamas there to be an incarnation of someone very powerful and already karmically advanced. Here is a quote from the book :
"The instrument penetrated the bone. A very hard, clean sliver of wood had been treated by fire and herbs and was slid down so that it just entered the hole in my head. I felt a stinging, tickling sensation apparently in the bridge of my nose. It subsided and I became aware of subtle scents which I could not identify. Suddenly there was a blinding flash. For a moment the pain was intense. It diminished, died and was replaced by spirals of colour. As the projecting sliver was being bound into place so that it could not move, the Lama Mingyar Dondup turned to me and said:" You are now one of us, Lobsang. For the rest of your life you will see people as they are and not as they pretend to be."
After this operation and the inital healing process, he begins to talk to the lamas again and interact with the lower monks. At first when he is exposed to others, he runs back inside his room frightened and tell the lama "There is a person on fire out there!" And the lama tells him that he is not on fire, but that Lobsang is now able to see the aura emanating from other people. As the story goes on, he is able to tell immediatley when a person is lying or being truthful, he begins to be able to see the thoughts of others, and he learns how to turn the 3rd eye perception on and off at will as keeping it on at all times is overwhelming for a mortal to bear.
But my thought is, doesnt this operation seem a little bit like LSD? I mean, LSD is a tool that obviously taps the source of the 3rd eye's power in all of us who attempt to look into the nature of reality. So I was thinking maybe LSD, is in a way like a light dose of God Realization, and this surgery that Lobsang reecives is sort of like a lifetime's worth of LSD and meditation wisdom and experience forced on him in an instant. But keep in mind, he was supposedly an incarnation of someone who was already highly advanced, and the way the astrologers found him and read his future was based on Tibetan medicine and cosmology. So the lamas even remebered him from his previous life, and claimed how far they had gone together. Not all of us are ready for samadhi, life could not go on if we were to suddenly be forced to merge with the Divine. Any thoughts my friends?

 

Yes, the similiarity to LSD is there, which it makes me a bit fearful of doing LSD again
I'm still adjusting to all the new feelings and perceptions I've gotten from nearly 2 and a half months ago, on my first LSD go.
Really, the first time after a mind blowing LSD trip, how long did it take you guys to adjust to all the new?
I don't know how someone could handle always seeing something for exactly what it is.
It seems to me to function on the earth, you need a bit of illusion. Or maybe thats just in materialistic US?
I keep thinking I need to move out of where I am.

Although that concept of opening and closing the third eye is interesting. Cause after LSD I can feel it right between my eyebrows. A tension, an energy and when I focus on it. It makes my whole body change in feeling, even see some patterns or colors, things will distort and wiggle around. At times I've even thought, I've seen people differently. Reading this forum does it pretty much always, like pretty much every time I read and type here, the text is a bit wavey. It makes me fairly nervous and anxious still when doing this. But I do notice, I can relax that portion on my head, not focus on it, and it changes and Im a bit less anxious and worried about it.

 

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LSD shows you very strange things. I can't handle being around non trippers when I'm on it cause then you just see them as they truly are. Even so when your "good friends" are partaking. It seems it shows you things that you think only you notice about people but I'm sure almost everyone sees weird things about people. Especially when it comes to addictions.

 

In response to Ry's question, my personal transition into a sort of awakening from psychedelics started with magic mushrooms at the age of 14. LSD followed somewhere around 3-4 months afterwards in the summer right as I turned 15. I was lucky to know where to get large quantities of them back then, so I immediatley jumped into the psychedelic culture at a young age. Even though some of my trips back then were a bit overwhelming, I never had a problem making the change. I remember at times wondering about the solidity of my own sanity, but other than that I sort of just fell into place. One interesting note however, that I didnt realize the depth of until just around a year ago, is that on my first I was at my moms house, during winter, sitting on the couch at night when everyone was asleep and I munched down an eigth of cubensis. Before the high hit me, before the body load came on, I was watching some show on comedy central I forget the name. But all of a sudden, I KNEW everyone on tv personally, like I had known them all my life. Even the commercials, I KNEW everyone! haha I was like wtf? this is bizarre. I thought it would be like a weed high. Next thing you know Im laying bed holding on because I was on a rocking boat through time and space :tongue: But what I've come to realize was that that was my first experience with realizing the Oneness of humanity, that we are all one big family, and that our souls not only come from and are the same source but that we have all known each other in an intimate way that trascends our consciousness and body. If only I had known what I was feeling as a child.

 

I really wish I had got hold of LSD or mushrooms at a younger age.
You accrue so much debt when you wander asleep for so many years

 

True.
But waking up after a dream that has gone on for many years makes it all that much more special, I think

 

when i was born they used forcepts--they must have squeezed too hard because it resulted in damage to my frontal lobes which causes me to have trouble with math, concentrating etc. HOWEVER it must have done something to my third eye because i've been "psychic" since a very young age (enough to cause huge distress over it in my family)
the "moment" my third eye opened i remember very clearly. i was about 4 years old and i was lying in bed pretending to be dead--i was trying to still my breath so that i would really appear dead (long story) anyway i went into a weird whitish haze and my whole body felt floaty and tingly. suddenly a door opened right between my eyes in my mind...a soft white glow came from it and through the light i saw the sillouette of a cloaked woman and i "knew" instantly that it was 'the virgin' and that she would be with me for life.
i didn't try lsd until about 2 years or so ago....i'm glad i waited this long....i had hit a spiritual ceiling and lsd was there to help me transcend it. i believe it comes to you when you are ready--when the student is ready the teacher appears.

 

holding the breath maura?
a child version of pranayama. it is the secret yogi technique to turning off the sense telephones of the body and transcending subjective reality. very impressive for a 4 year old!

 

let's say i had a very unique childhood experience. my mom says i was "weird" since birth--spoke in full sentences by the age of 1 and read heminguay in grade 1. but 'psychic' stuff started as early as she remembered. she's an athiest--so she was terrified of what was going on. i could go on for pages. but the incident i wrote about started out of boredom.

i was very unhappy as a child and bored and lonely. it was just me & my mom and no kids my age in our building. weekends were hell. i found the day passed quicker if i could fall asleep. i'd pretend to be dead (because part of me wished it would happen because i often saw angels and the spirits of people that had passed and they seemed to have it pretty good--better than i had it anyway) in my pretending i'd usually fall asleep and being gone for a few hours was great--i felt like i was fast forwarding time or something.

i realize now what a great gift that early isolation was--it was my training.

 

maybe you guys can share some thoughts on this cause I regularly wonder about this.

But how exactly does the astral, where you see the spirits, or just what you see when 'physical' dissolves. What exactly is it's relationship in position to the body.

Because from my experience thus far, 'the astral', seems to posses no distance. Like, your just in a bubble and the walls of the bubble are just screens showing whats there. And your like, always in this bubble, you've never moved really, just sitting there, still, the whole time.

Even physical world seems to be 'projected' on the walls of this bubble like screens.

Although I guess what I said could be very specific to me. So more generalized. As you open the third, what exactly is there for you. Not when the new perceptions are overlayed on physical reality, although I'd be curious to know what you guys think of that. As in, how does 'the ever-still bubble' of the astral interact and come to function on physical?

But what is there? Cause it always feel to me like theres this sort of massive geometric configuration, right there, almost so close I can touch it and it's almost like a screen, showing me 'the illusion'. Is what it shows maya, or is the screen itself maya?

I know LSD would provide more answers to this, but I'm curious to know how others see it.

 

i'm not really sure what you are asking...likely because i just smoked a pinner & am really high so its all long words jumbled up to me right now.

if you are asking what spirits appear like ...well sometimes its above me...sometimes it comes from one side but usually it appears (to my naked eye) as in front of me...i see it with my eye eye...the third eye i see visions in--similar to mental images....but it feels different--i don't quite know how to describe it. its like you can have fantasies or ideas with your regular mind...but when its a third eye vision it feels different...like looking at a movie i'm detached from/ hard to explain. i feel its not from within myself...it feels different than "ideas" i get.

the entities ...i describe it as when you are staring off into the nothing/everything in your field of vision, a big blob/silouette figure morphes and that nothing looks different that the other nothing you are looking at. sometimes they are smoky, sometimes transparant, sometimes its only a hint of what they looked like....usually really high vibration beings can appear pretty much looking like a "real" person....dead relatives and the like barely get even noticed by the naked eye. far easier for them to use telekenesis than it is to physically materialize into what one would call a ghost.

 

If I understood well what you are asking, it looks like your bubble on witch is projected "reality" gets a bit transparent and you see another bubble around first one. The second one also has its own "projections". It looks like if you would put one picture on top of another, but the first one is transparent. In that moment (depends how deep you went) you might get confused witch one is first and witch one is second, you can change focus on 2 normal eyes or on the third one, and depending on focus, that picture get transparent. Very difficult to explain by the words but, its the closest I can explain it. After I tried DMT, there were much more of those "bubbles", not only 2. It definitely opened something more, and now even on LSD I can see those things and before DMT I couldnt, or didn't know how to "look". You see, they say that DMT is producing the same chemical like our gland witch is sitting exactly where the third eye is sitting, and that chemical is in charge of dreams. The whole trip on DMT was like a vision from third eye, but this time there was no picture from 2 regular eyes, it shut it down completely. But when you open some "doors" once, they stay open for you, and now when I am tripping on LSD, it is almost like on DMT, it is just much slower and longer (12 hours compared to 20 min.) and you have plenty of time to analyze everything. Now there is sooo much more than 2 "projection bubbles" and they can all become a part of one, not transparent, creating unique "reality" witch containes all of the "bubbles". I can say that stage like this matches the feeling of beeing one with everything.

 

The relationship of the astral plane to the body is that your causal (thought) body origin works through the astral plane to form the physical. The spine has three layers, only one is physical, this physical layer is powered through the seven main nerve junctions running along it. The astral spinal units are the seven chakras, or energy centers, which receive life-energy from the reception of the medulla oblongota (Mouth of God) which is then distrubted to the chakras. Without proper excerize of yoga, the energy gets more or less stuck in the lower chakras. Obsession over sexuality, vanity, drug addiciton, etc. are all signs of a person whose energy concentration is stuck at the lowest chakra. The causal spinal centers are within each chakra and the spine, this is the 'cause' of your existance, it is the manas (thought) that constitutes everything about you. Like Buddha said "all you are is a result of thought". When a baby is forming in a uterus, after the spark of the soul's initial entrace to the physical plane, the body grow out from this point in the back of the head and branches first the spine and then the limbs. The nerves and all the rest come from this center original point that happens out of conception.

Anyway, the astral plane is not confined to anything other than the extent of the thought which sustains it. The astral plane has no physical limitations, the astral body can travel anywhere and everywhere at the speed of thought. If you desire to see a mountain, all that is done is thought, and it appears. The connection between the physical and astral plane is a 'silver chord' that can not be broken until physical death of the body. This chord brings you back no matter how far you go in astral travel. There are yogis and saints who claim to have visited many other planets and met alien life forms by traveling in the astral body through the causal thought process. But the astral plane is just a colourful playground, and is in no way important. It is where you go while awaiting the manifestation of your next incarnation on either this planet or wherever, possibly even other universes. It is the mental causal plane that is trascended when moksha is attained. The thought that causes you to exist in the mental plane is your soul, that is the essence of your being, that is the direct link to the dream of God, the last step to break through before total illumination. But to get there, all karma must be absent, even good karma.

 

right now as i write this i can feel my third eye. i don’t really know how to explain. when i first started to feel it after a few years of tripping i started to get worried. it didn’t feel normal so naturally i began to panic. after i realized that it wasn’t going away i found a rational explanation. all of the tripping that i had been doing was prying open my third eye. after every trip i could feel it more and more. if i really focus i can feel all of my chakras but the third eye is always there loud and clear. feels like a centre point of magnetic energy.(if that makes any sense)

so what’s my point. in relation to the op about that guys operation. i think that using LSD and other psychedelic drugs over time is much like having that operation. LSD will pry open your third eye.

 

i get this tingling sensation between my brows, i've noticed it since i was young. everytime something moves close to the spot, it tingles involuntarily. i can also make it do that voluntarily, if im just sitting down like right now. it almost tickles.. i've heard one other person talk about it before, and that was some kid on my bus. i've always thought it was normal, it probably is, but most people don't notice it, or feel it to the same extent.

i did some more research on it, and the only results were third eye related, i'm sure it's that at this point, i can't see what else. i've had it since i was young though, not into meditating at all.

 

On my go of LSD I saw the source, bright white light. Then off the source a infinite number of energy beads as I called them coming off from the source, traversing 'space', what seemed an infinite distance to get to me and then all reconnected to my third eye.

And then I felt in this state, that the whole rest of my body, all the other physical or energy aspects. Would just sort of swirl or convulate around my third eye, while my concious mainted perfect sight right down the middle of my third eye connected to 'the source' by all these beads of energy.

I say just cause the concept of the third as the magnetic center makes alot sense from my experience.

 

Thanks, this makes alot of sense. I actually got a very clear sense that the multiple layers of these bubbles, or geometric auras you could say. Were actually the "DMT crysthaseum" and that on DMT I would shatter through it.

And since were in this context. The layer right behind the physical reality. The screen, I saw it as constructed of hexagons. Does this coincide with anything already in current spiritual writings?

But it also makes me wonder. I can tell you sort of took on my metaphors to operate my understanding in my own metaphorical context. But are my metaphors close to accurate in terms of human history?

And if they are, and the physical is just a bubble of energy surrounding you. Was I accurate in my perception that you never actually move in the astral, that movement is an illusion? I relate it to that 'we are one conciousness' concept. In that, this single spot I experienced and felt like I was always sitting there, still, never moved once. That is the 'one conciousness'. That we are all sitting there, even right now, that we are the same exact 'spark of energy' in the astral somewhere, all residing as the same thing in the same exact spot and have never moved. But it's what is projected on this bubble of physical that make us seperate individuals. That inherently what we refer to as "we" only exists in these bubbles. The "we" or the "I" is literally, the outer bubbles. But it's the same bubble for everyone, just that the projection on it is different.

Which this is actually what I was reffering to more so when I pondered 'what is the physical'. If this is the case of what the collective human conciousness is. Then isn't the physical just a bunch of intangible energy that only comes to constitute form when it comes in contact with this astral bubble it projects upon? But then once leaving this bubble of where it projects to be seen it turns back into intangible energy floating and intermixing out there in a manner which we can never see. But only interact with by a magnetic interaction with our conciousness.

I know I may have delved into personal perception there to a degree that only I can figure it out. So if none of that makes much sense and theres not too much to respond in, I understand.

 

thanks, all that actually registers very well with me
What exactly is the 'causal thought body' though? Is that in the physical body and physical synaptic functioning of the self?

" Anyway, the astral plane is not confined to anything other than the extent of the thought which sustains it."
That makes alot of sense. But I have to wonder, if the case of the astral is, it's whatever you want it to be. That whatever thought form you have becomes the existence of the astral. Than what is there with no thought form? Is it some how in what I saw as the ever still bubble thats just a geometric shape we project everything on?

Because I understand this in the context of void and light very clearly. When peering to the void, there is nothing unless you put it there, it's just black. But, perhaps I've completely mixed up my metaphors here. But I've been understanding 'the astral' as a subset of the void. That inherently the void is nothing, until we put it there. But 'the astral' the colorfull playground as you say, it is something we put there, it's a thing where we can play in non-physical. But in being birthed fromt he void, it 'the astral' does have a singular form, some sort of sacred geometry? That we then project our different non-physical realities of it on.

 

i know what you mean about the "beads" of energy...i have seen them to except my experience was that EVERYTHING looked like it was made up of these beads--like molecules. i could see the energy as molecules and i could affect how those "beads" were vibrating--even in dense objects (and people lol) its how i finally understood the concept of magic/alchemy...you take molecules from empty space and put them together and shape them into what you want to physically manifest.