Charity Makes Me Sick

All these charity places, handing out food and gifts to the poor, makes me utterly sick to my stomach. Instead of giving these people a hand out these so called kind helping souls should be doing actually help like marching on capital hill and demanding the government to fix the problem.

Higher inflation, 500 billion dollar bills passed to a self proclaim war, ani up gas and food prices, no work for 'real' Americans, foreclosed homes, 6 out of 10 in credit dept, unethical bank and business practices, foreseen second coming depression.

I always liked the movie land of the dead, because Paul Kaufman and the people living in Fiddler's Green Tower reminded me of the glass bubble which America stands upon today.

 

I completely disagree with you.

Marching and shouting does next to nothing, especially in this political system. In order to initiate change, one should start locally. I'm truly glad that there are people out there who hand out gifts and food to the poor because they are actually helping. You can march and protest all you want, but all that really does is make people angry.

Maybe you should try to go out and actually help a person out... instead of bitching about how we should protest and so on and forth. Sure, shit is a tad fucked up... but honestly... grow up and grow a heart.

 

I rehabilitate homes for the poor, the aged and the handicapped. I do it all on fresh Amerikan dollars from the Department of Housing and Urban Development. What I do is help people maintain shelter on government grants and no, I don't make very much money doing it. I love my work more than anything and I think this constitutes "charity".

I'll get in trouble for saying this, but you're a moron.

 

Are you talking about Section 8? Which has been disappearing more and more since the past 5 to 10 years? Didn't California finally end section 8 all together? Wonder how many more homeless are on the street in that state now? Maybe another 400,000?

 

I don't see why you can't try to change the system AND help the poor at the same time. They aren't mutually exclusive. People are hungry now and things aren't going to change under the current administration. I enjoy donating to charity. Even though it may not help much in the long run, it can make today a little better for someone who is going through a tough time.

 

Oh-forgot to add, California still has Section 8. Haven't heard that there have been any cuts.

 

Moreover, is this the governments problem? Personally I don't think it is. Local and state governments, yes, but certainly not the federal government. A large federal government is what got us all these systems that AREN'T working in the first place!

 

No it is not section 8. It is HUD funded rehabilitation. Someone in government put on their little thinking cap and decided that rather than have peoples' homes condemned at the local level, they could issue grants to rehab their homes. More low-income, disadvantaged people and senior citizens get to keep their homes = fewer homeless people on the street and in state and locally sponsored shelters. It works. I love it. It's like Habitat for Humanity run by local HUD offices. People are grateful, contractors are guaranteed both low-bid and payment, something in our government makes people genuinely happy.

But it will never be a trend, trust me. There's a reason it isn't advertised.

 

illumincoalitional, all i have to sat is if this is how you feel,
then go out and do something about it
at least the people that are handing out food and gifts to the homeless
they're actually making a difference as best as they can while you are
sitting there saying we should do something and instead you are doing
nothing to help

thats the problem with America - we complain to much instead of getting it done,(i admit im even guilty of it a lot of the time)

 

If people would like to jump on the band wagon and organize something with me, perhaps a campaign, sure I'd go for it.

 

What about Womens rights? Black rights? Free speech? Gay Rights? ect. Do you think if there was no protests we would have these today?

 

DO we have these today? Despite the laws that have been enacted and the amendments that have been ratified there's still hate, ignorance, and inequality everywhere.

Aside from that, the world doesn't begin and end with california and maine. Women's/Black/Gay Rights in a large portion of the world are still nonexistant.

And why?

Because acting for yourself is all one can do. Eventually the love and respect grows and flows to others.

 

I sincerely hope you are never in a position where you have to rely on the charities you despise so much.

 

I really dont think he is against charity. I think he's just wants to see something done about out fucked up government. If he cares about the people and wants to see them get help theres no way he is downright against charity.

 

Yes, compare now to the 1940s.

Maybe in a fairy tale but in real life you have to actually do something to get things done.

 

How silly of me, acting for myself instead of trying to change others. I see the error of my ways, and ultimately futile actions.

And looking through time you're right there is something that changed throughout the world once we signed the civil rights act into existence and all our problems of inequality just vanished. And I'm living in a fairytale??

I'm not sure where you're from but in the city I live in I'm consistently surprised by the amount of ignorant and hateful people there are, and the acts that they commit.

And what "things" are you trying to get done? More legislature?

THE COUNTRY IS BASICALLY RUN BY THE WHITE UPPER CLASS, WAKE THE FUCK UP.

Besides ALL that, you're basic argument is ludacris! Instead of solving/trying to solve the problem on a maintainable local level, you propose to hand off a national problem to a group so far removed from the actual problem it's laughable.

And all the credit problems and shit isn't the fault of the government either, as much as I wish we could blame them for it. It's driven by GREED both of people and creditors.

We're a nation where wealth = debt. Even our own coffers are running at negative funds and we're still the "richest country in the world" . Bollocks.

 

i agree with this entirely. campaigning is important but so is helping the people affected. we've got to tackle the root of the problem and the problem created. you wouldn't spend all your time destroying some cancer or something in a patient without giving them some pain relief whilst you're doing it. it wouldn't be fair. it's not like it's their fault. (bad metaphor i know)

the fact you want to change the government policy is to your credit but doesn't that just prove to you that these people need help? they're just innocent victims in all of this, of a corrupt and greedy world where profiteering and a lack of morality and humanity leaves the vulnerable behind. charity doesn't change anything,no-one can't pretend it does, but it does help at a grassroots level which is more than can be said of politics nowadays.

and about the 'waiting for people to jump on the bandwagon' comment. come on! if it matters to you that much get organising. don't just expect people to help you when they don't know what's going on. bloody hell.. basic rule of campaigning. moaning on a forum achieves little.

 

I'm totally against giving the poor turkeys on thanksgiving, or presents for kids on Christmas. That kind of think is just a quick fix, and a waste of resources. You should never let people forget that they are poor.

We need a revolution and if we just keep making people feel satisfied that just isn't going to happen.

 

In the UK I think we have our priorities quite wrong. I mean footballers get thousands of pounds a week for kicking a ball around a field and yet so many people are living below the poverty line, can't afford the basics and have nothing for whatever reason that may be. It really does seem unfair!

I love being able to do what I can to help, last Christmas I spent some time volunteering for a homeless shelter and although I didn't seem to give much, it made a difference to people to who otherwise be cold, alone and hungry at a time of year when most people will be together with friends and family, eating big meals etc. People should be equal!

 

Agreed Moon_Beam!