what is the main reason you support ron paul,

What's in a woman's womb isn't a 'blastocyst'-it's a baby, and every woman deep down knows that.

And there's nothing wrong with the states deciding whether abortion is going to be legal in their particular state or not. That's what democracy is supposed to be about anyway, not 9 unelected judges that are appointed for life deciding what legislatures ought to decide democratically. The Constitution never gave the Supreme Court the right to do that in the first place.

In the European Union, the member states have a great deal of unity, but it's still up to the individual country's parliament to decide whether abortion will be legal or not. That's real democracy. And that's the way it should be here too, not 9 wise leaders dictating to the rest of the country what they can and cannot do.

 

Right wing talking points OR privacy rights to one's own body... hmmm?

Not a toss up.

A WOMAN IS IN CONTROL OF THAT DECISION, NOT A ROUND TABLE OF OLD MEN.

Sorry, you lose. CIVIL RIGHTS will not be decided by the States. Hell no.

If that was the case BLACK PEOPLE would have NO rights in some states to this very day.

And EVERYONE'S MARRIAGE should be respected by EVERY STATE OF THE U.S.!!

 

why do you want to force YOUR views on the entire country?

Why not fight within your state where you potentially have a REAL say, or move to the state that best serves your needs?

More power to the federal government means more power to people that are less answerable to the people... and more $ out of our pockets to serve agendas we do NOT agree with and have next to ZERO say in changing them.

No state will reinstate slavery, the argument that history would have went a different way had the power been left in state hands is weak... that *obviously* does not apply to today... *obviously* the people in that state will be able to have at least an indirect say in such matters... or possibly even a DIRECT say, depending on what the STATE wants to do. The fed government can't/won't have the people vote for much of anything, it just doesn't work on that scale.

Why do you not want the power you deserve? Why do you not want freedom?

If you want to increase corruption and pay yet more in taxes to pay a deficit that doesn't have to exist so that you can marry a man... I suggest seeing a psychiatrist.

 

I'm pretty sure Libertine is just Ron Paul in disguise, trolling everybody so that if they were sitting on the fence, they will definitely vote for him now, out of spite for Libertine.

 

PS, if a fetus isn't a person, how come I can be charged with a double homicide for murdering a pregnant woman?

 

It is, women just want the option to kill their child, people just want to justify killing somone because they "accidentally" made him/her.

Its not "right"... be responsible enough to not have the baby in the first place... as far as rape, you can do the morning after pill or whatever else they have for that... but once again, adress what causes people to rape women and you will curb that almost entirely.

 

They're not right wing talking points, and guess what? I'm not a right winger, either. I'm actually quite liberal in a lot of ways.

And this isn't just about a woman's body-it's about another body, another life she's carrying inside her.

If the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, all of a sudden you'd be screaming bloody murder-then the Supreme Court wouldn't seem like such a utopian institution to you. Suddenly state's rights wouldn't seem like such a bad thing after all, and the federal govt. suddenly would seem too powerful. It's all so wonderful as long as you agree with its decisions. If you don't, there's not a damn thing that you or anyone else can do about it. That's not democracy, and the Constitution nor any law ever gave the Supreme Court the right to overturn acts of Congress or state legislatures.

Almost every other democracy in the world decides these issues by acts of their parliaments or legislatures. That's the way we should do things, too, and it's exactly what the Constitution prescribed. I'm against abortion, but these issues should be decided democratically in legislatures (or referenda) at the state level, not by a few judges that are totally unaccountable to anybody. Then we would have real debate, and politicians would have to stick their necks out and practice what they preach, or risk losing their jobs.

Federal control of the states and the undemocratic actions of the Supreme Court are some of the main reasons why there's so little political change in this country. Get rid of those constraints and we could have some real democratic give and take for once.

 

LOL

Hey, I have to admit... that's a good one.

 

At least if the fed was out of things and the state gained the power, we could deal with problems on a smaller scale instead of one so big that we are powerless to make any inroads to change...

 

yeah, let's carve up the country into small plots overrun by local bullies...great idea. hell, let's just bring back feudal estates...why go half-assed about it.

 

uh, it's already like that...

 

When you have corruption all the way from the TOP down, you have little to no chance of fighting it. Corrupt people and practices feed off of each other and tend to grow like snowballs rolling... Get a few GOOD people at the top who don't buy into the corruption and evil and it takes away some of the steam and power of the local bullies who would come to realize that nobody has their back any more. Voting for a totally out of the ordinary candidate, attempting to remove yourself from the US Government control, these are great STATEMENTS from the common person. You can either make a strong statement and take a strong stand and possibly be heard or at least acknowledged, or you can just sit idly by and allow things to keep rolling downhill to hell. It's easy to protest. Wave a banner, holler slogans, get arrested... It's too easy, it's been all done and seen before, no surprises there. But give 'em something REAL to think about, something that's harder for them to control or hide. THAT'S people getting TOGETHER and making a stand. A lot harder to ignore.

 

Right on Mother!

 

That's EXACTLY what would happen.

A few states would then be no better than Third World nations after about a decade, while others would flourish and become aristocratic.

Again, I harken back to Alabama in the 1960s. If the people had their way, blacks would be second-classed and George Wallace would've been Governor forever.

 

interesting that you completely ignore someones statement on here,someone who lived in alabama during the civil rights movement who states change was already on its way without the federal governments interference.

 

Libertine, I'm serious, it's already like that. At least in places like this. The bullies are in charge. The money people, living in their big estates, are behind them. WV IS already like a third world country. We are nearly dead last in just about anything they care to keep statistics on. Yet we have some of the BIGGEST coal fields and oil and gas drilling operations. The Governor is in charge of raping the state, smiling while he does it, the State Police are in charge of keeping the jails full. The courts are backed up for YEARS. We have one of the lowest crime rates but one of the highest rates of incarceration. People can't afford to bail out or pay fines. Nobody has any money except the guys connected to the oil and gas industry. The school system turns out about 25% illiterate people. The counties are all going bankrupt.

The main reason this continues is due to the BIG GOVERNMENT which supports and backs the hell that is being created here. The common citizens barely have a chance.
But take big government out of the equasion. Now us citizens who care to try to make changes don't have so many layers of shit to shovel thru to accomplish something. If we had a FRIEND in the White House, we could feel EMPOWERED to try to take our home back!

 

Hell, elect a Mormon and all blacks have the mark of Cain.

 

gardener please explain.

 

And when YOU grow a womb, then you can talk. Until then you are just another MAN who has no idea what it is like to carry a child, fetus, blastocyte or whatever you want to call it. Your opinion means absolutely nothing in this debate until you grow a womb yourself.

Now I have a womb, and I think states should decide this individually. I think that most states would not outlaw abortion, and if the majority of the folks in a state want to, whatever. I personally would try to keep it legal and safe in my state. If I don't like it I can move. And I could have alot more effect on the local and state level than all of us combined can have on the federal level.

You really think that some states would be able to pass racially segragated laws? No way, people would riot in the streets. This is not 1840 anymore, and most folk would not support such laws on any level. Yes there are those who would, but seriously not a majority, and FYI slavery is not constitutional. Therefore even under Ron Paul would not be tolerated.

 

are you sure you'd be able to move to a more tolerant area if state's rights prevailed? i don't think you can assume that. if states had the power they could close their borders to whomever they wish in either direction.