Antitheism?

I dont consider myself so much an atheist I consider myself an antitheist.
Anyone else on here antitheist? And if so what are your reasons I will play devils advocate if anyone wants a friendly debate.

 

Why?

 

Well I will give you my reasons for my opposition against the Judeo-Christian God is that this God is supposed to be all knowing and omnipotent and all-merciful.I consider him evil.

-God made a son a human son whose whole purpose in life was to be tortured and slaughtered. A all-merciful God could hav done this without murdering anyone or causing anyone to be muderers.
-A all merciful God wouldnt create horrible diseses and famines and natural disasters that make human being suffer needlessly.
-To believe in the Bible you believe that God loves us more then a parent loves their child. Well it seems like God doesnt have a problem with throwing his kidsto burn in eternal hell.
-Further support for my argument that God is evil is found in the scripture. If evil is something that causes suffering, and something is described as being evil if said thing causes ruin, then it can be said that whatever is the source of evil (suffering, pain, etc.) is evil, as the source is the original cause. What does the bible have to say about evil? Where did it come from? Man? No. Satan? No. Angels? No. God? Yes.

Surprised? Yes, according to the bible, God is the source and creator of evil.

Isaiah 45: 7
“I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.”


There are plenty of other reasons but those are a few.

 

So it's Yaweh you're opposed to. He isn't the only deity in the pantheon of theists. Do you have a beef with Braman, Manitou, the Unmoved Mover,the Oversoul, Gaia, etc.?

 

Congrats, you've become a believer in a faith you seem to despise, im not sure how helpful you will find it.

You are right Yahweh isn't all loving and is capable of commiting evil.

Well not always and not all Christians believe in hell, although it is true many do. Also now you're mixing and matching, it is one thing to believe in Yahweh it is another to believe in the bible, although you can't have the second with out the first.

Good work doing your own research, (i thought i'd mention this isn't sarcastic) you've made some very good points about the nature of Yahweh but i have not read one reason to oppose him.

If you do not like Yahweh, or Christianity then why engage him/it? Why not explore other paths? or expend energy doing something else entirely?

By engaging this 'Evil' 'God' your pretty much on par with other fire and brimstone Christians, just on the other side.

 

Nietzsche was always on about philosophizing with a hammer. What he meant was that in order to create something new, you had to destroy the old that stood in their way. the same tool, the hammer, is a good symbol of both the destructive act, and the creative act, and reminder of how important both are.
Personally, i find that creating a philosophy in opposition to another, instead of on it's own merits, leaves it shallow. It's almost as if you fall into the trap that the believer creates themselves. while they live according to how they think their god wants them to behave, you act how you don't think their god wants you to. You both essentially surrender your free will, just in different directions.

it's easy to smash the old idols. the hard part is creating a philosophy, or way of life, in it's place.

 

Yes that’s was my criticism of a few specific religions.



Religion itself is harmful to humans it makes us sheep afraid to attain new knowledge because of the taboo there is on the criticism of ones religious beliefs.

The leap of faith you must take because our lack of understanding of earth, or our guilt that maybe someone died for your sins or walked through the desert for 40 years. Its adherence to superstitious beliefs

Any religion that has a God that can intervene but doesn’t to me is evil.

 

double post

 

while they live according to how they think their god wants them to behave, you act how you don't think their god wants you to.

Not really, I think there are parts of some scriptures or Gita that have some good basis for morality, Its those parts I live by even though I am aware of my human nature an my intelligence and I don’t need an ancient book guiding my life. I disagree with a majority of that religion but there are parts that we can cherry-pick.



I personally think it would be a good thing to love our neighbor as ourselves it just isn't plausible.

 

Maybe you're expecting too much. "God" as presented by the churches is anthropomorphic, and all the emphasis on omni-this,omni-that, may lead to unrealistic expectations. If God is a symbol, a metaphor, an ideal, a force, energy, resonance, the Ground of Being, etc., (S)he may not be able to do much intervening directly. Inspired or enlightened humans have to do the intervening. It doesn't make it less miraculous.

 

I am not expecting too much from God.
I am expecting what I read of the Bible
Jesus said if I believe in him enough I can cast trees into lakes and move mountains.

Enlightened Humans cant do as much good as a benevolent "god"

 

Have you tried it out? Me neither. The bible also says Christians can drink poisons and handle poisonous snakes without being harmed. And then I read that passage is one of those suspect ones that wasn't in original manuscripts but may have been slipped in by some unknown forger. A pagan or atheist, no doubt, trying to get rid of us! Nice try, guys!

No shit.

 

wish it would've worked .

 

The Bible advocates a slave-like mentality it blesses the meek and tells the readers to obey your masters. It says those who live well off and prosper will be punished in the afterlife. The vile book tells soldiers to be content with their pay; does this go against human nature to compete, Against Darwinism’s survival of the fittest?
It also is in advocating of child abuse the book says to strike your child if he speaks ill of you it says to kill anyone if they try to convince you to worship other Gods.
A Devine omnipotent god could have forgave the world of its "sins" without having to send a human sacrifice to be tortured and killed. Instead of helping the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by forgiving their wickedness he rains fire and brimstone upon them killing everyone.
The All merciful God intentionally hardens Pharaohs heart just so he can punish Egypt more causing an increase of plague and starvation. God ordered the destruction of sixty cities so that the Israelites could live there. But at least God is merciful enough to let a man make a living by letting us sell our daughters into slavery! Exodus 21:7-11
So is the Bible evil or is God just screwed up?

 

Buddhism teaches that attachments are bad. Is it also evil or misguided? The meek need somebody to stand up for them. As for Social Darwinism, it's a dumb, discredited, archaic social doctrine. If it were true, the cockroaches, not the meek, would inherit the earth. From a Social Darwinian standpoint, cockroaches deserve it. T. Boone Pickens and Dick Cheney certainly don't.

 

There are teachings in Buddhism that make the idea of a Jewish zombie look plausible evil not in my opinon but harmful yes. You didn't answer my question either.

 

I thought the question was:does this go against human nature to compete, Against Darwinism’s survival of the fittest? I thought I did answer it--possibly not to your satisfaction. Teaching people to be content with their lot is based on the concept that worldly attachments are unimportant. I basically agree with that philosophy. The teaching can and has been abused when it is preached mainly to the poor and working class stiffs, as a means of taking the heat off of revolutionary discontent with a "pie in the sky when you die" emphasis. I think Christianity was coopted by Constantine for this purpose in the fourth century, and it is used by elites today for the same purpose--and that's evil.

The part of the question dealing with going against human nature and Darwin makes no sense to me, because: (1) Darwin's theory of evolution is a scientific theory, not an ethical one; (2) "survival of the fittest" is an expression coined by Herbert Spencer, who exaggerated the role of competition and misunderstood the concept of "fitness" in human evolution, and confused "is" with "ought". Spencer's Social Darwinism and contemporary sociobiological theories are pretentious, pseudoscientific justifications for the privileges and prerogatives of the power elite, and a revival of the "natural law" approach to ethics. In a sense, they did to Darwin what Constantine did to Jesus. From an evolutionary standpoint, cockroaches are a remarkably fit and obviously superior species, but I'll be damned if I'll step aside for them out of some misguided duty to Darwin and Mother Nature.

 

I like the point you are trying to make. The point that i try to make is in the book of Job, if this God is a perferct, loving god, why is it that he can be tempted by satan. In my opinion, how can he be perfect yet satan came to him and says this man here seems perfect yet, you give him everthing he wants, but i bet if you took it all away he would curse your verry name. God says ok just dont hurt him. Job wouldntcurse god so satan returns again to god and now god gives him permission to do harm onto job. God let satan permission to kill of all jobs live stock, and his family to prove a point to satan. In my opinion that is egotism at its fullest. IF this god is perfect how can he be egotistical. If hes a loving god how can he kill of the best man on earth?think about........

If the doors of perception were cleansed, everthing would appear to man as it truely is...Infinite
William Blake

 

Anti-theism is pretty no better than theism.

One is preaching for something, while the other is preaching against something.

Maybe the right thing to do is to stop preaching... and go outside, pick a flower, take a swim, meet a new person...

Hmm?

You have to understand that preaching against an entire religion is idiotic. There are so many interpretations of a religion. There could be a million interpretations of a single sentence in the Bible. Some of the best people I know are Christians... pure, truly good people... who are on a spiritual quest, like many others... they just chose Christianity... possibly because it was the only religion ever presented to them, or even because they actually chose it out of all religions because they actually believe that it can lead them to some sort of enlightenment.

I myself am posting in this forum because I have already found my own personal enlightenment. My enlightenment is in pure existence... without worrying about anything else. All of this stuff seems a little silly to me... but who am I to tell another person how to live their life?

Teach by example. Not a single person on earth likes preachers of something that contradicts their beliefs.

 

For a biblical literalist, that would certainly be a problem. I'm not one. I'm what you might call a Christian minimalist. I go by what I consider to be the basic underlying principles of the Old and New Testaments. e.g., Micah 6:8:"He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?" See also,the Jefferson Bible.