ok im only posting this because im tired of people sayin shrooms are more potent then acid or even comparing them... ok for starters acid is the most potent hallusinogen by far... its weighed in micrograms (ug) and shrooms are weighed in grams ... the DEAs biggest acid bust was 2 grams the DEAs biggest shrrom bust was hundreds of pounds.. now todays acid is SHIT absoulte garbage and thats why you guys compare acid with shrooms.. todays acid on average is only 70 ug meanwhile acid in the 60's on average was 600 ug all the real acid heads in here can side with me on this one.... ok so if we do the math you should eat 8 1/2 tabs of acid to really understand what it was like in the 60's and then once you eat all them tabs come back here and tell me if shrooms are more potent then acid
Just so I understand, you're waxing nostalgic about acid from a time before you were even born? I'm pretty sure everyone knows that it takes a few more hits to get you tripping as hard as it took even a decade ago, and lots of people are frustrated by the price they're often charged since it has doubled and tripled while the potence has gone down. Assuming that this is all common knowlege, what exactly are you on about?
ok first of all, dont try to "school" people on drugs when you cant even spell half the words your attempting to say let alone trying to explain a chemical. who the fuck are you to compare acid from any time period, maybe the acid you get is shit but not everyones acid is crap just because its almost 2008, its the same chemical as it always was idiot. next not all hits are 70 ug a piece all of the blotters i get are layed between 100-150 ug a hit. a standard sized blotter only soaks in 200-250 ug of completely so i dunno where your getting 600ug from considering you didnt specifie any form of lsd (blotter, liquid ect ect) you shouldnt have to eat 8 and a half tabs to get a "proper" effect (although it is nice). of course LSD is the most potent any smuck with a computer and half a brain can go on erowid and read that, as sheerwackiness said this is all very common knowledge and you got a good portion of it wrong or mispelled ect ect also you wernt even close to being born around the 60s and judging by that post id say you know fuck all about anything LSD related at all so please just STFU you have 41 posts you shouldnt be tired of anyone saying anything yet
When people say that Mushrooms are more stronger than LSD they just mean it is a stronger, heavier trip, not by weight but by relative dosage (maybe 2-3 tabs=3.5g) I could agree with that to an extent. Mushrooms really have the power to twist my mind up hardcore, whereas I am usually clearheaded on Acid. Also, I feel like with Acid it is really easy to control and navigate a trip, where Mushrooms it feels like the trip is controlling me, and I have to just surrender and ride it. 600ug doses not so much. Blotters were uncommon in the 60's, back then it was Liquid, Microdots, Gellies etc., but the highest dose I remember seeing is 350 mics. There is an archive of all LSD tested (by the DEA methinks) at whatever mics and what year it was from, on erowid of course.
i agree u have to eat about 10 tabs to get the full effect from acid nowadays. acid is way more intense than mushrooms and lasts way longer. but yea the tabs ive been getting are supposedly 150mics, which was proven correct as I got full blown visuals off 1 tab. the tabs in the 60's were probably closer to 300~ mics. then again im only 20 so its a guess.
This kind of seems like a dumb thread....so I don't know why I'm adding to it....but...even though it's common knowledge...here's my experience: I used to take a lot of acid in the late 80s early 90s. It was much stronger. Taking two tabs was a really, really big decision...ten would be pretty much out of the question. There were definitely times on one hit where we would drift off into our own minds and there were very very strong visuals (not always, but often). (patterns dancing around on the floor, faces really melting before your eyes, etc....you didn't have to focus or try for the visuals, they were there.) There was weaker acid sold on microdots (in my area) that were more comparable to about 2-3 hits of what I've tried recently. There was also some really strong microdots. Most were sold as synthetic mescaline, but I think that it was really just acid (since mescaline is too bulky to fit in a microdot). And....the nice thing was that it was at the very max $5 a hit for a single hit. We could get sheets for $70, vials for about the same. Buying 10 at a time wasn't as common...usually a sheet, or just how many you wanted, like 2, 5, 7, whatever. Acid was everywhere at dead shows. It wouldn't take long to find someone with a vial who would drop a drop in the spot between your thumb and index finger for a few bucks. (I was always a bigger fan of liquid than blotter.) Anyway...I have trouble believing the acid I've tried recently is 1/2 or even a 1/4 of some of the stuff we used to get, so I must be getting less than 100mics. It'd be nice if there was a good way to tell. I guess the main thing is that it's consistent....it'd be a big mistake to take 10 hits of acid that you thought was the new kind, but it turned out to be the old kind! I wonder if the acid before was more made by dead heads and the like who really liked acid and wanted to share it. The price really couldn't make it that profitable. Now, maybe because of a change of times, it seems like people wouldn't do it if it wasn't very profitable. Or..maybe some organized crime got a hold of the supply and, of course, is in it for the profit. (Maybe the CIA stopped making it for their crazy tests.) I do wonder what caused the change, when exactly it happened (I didn't take any acid for a while in between then and now, so I can't narrow it down.) And, I'd be interested if anyone does get doses like they used to be. I wonder if they are in fact chemically identical. (I've heard of silver crystal, etc. as grades of acid purity, but don't know anything about it.) But, maybe those questions are not able to be intelligently answered with historical fact.
Well, on the west coast it seems like the doses are still amazing. I had a stash of liquid over the summer, and 1 drop was enough to bring me intense patterns on floors, and beautiful colored trails up until around 8h. On 2 drops I was sitting on a mountain, watching at least 40-50 trees all come apart into 3 strands and spin around eachother like DNA spirals, and when it would reach the top it would spiral into itself and come out at the bottom, and this went for infinity. I also saw the same thing happen to the hair on my arm, it would grow up to like 3-4 inches, and then go down into my skin and do a circle and then come out again. This would last for at least 12 hours. I've also tried alot of the "white unperforated" white fluff blotter that people talk about on here, supposedly made by the family, and I've tried Needlepoint crystal laid on blotter. These sheets were calibrated even stronger, but I prefer some good liquid becuase it is smoother, and easier on my mind. Also, I tend to only take 1-2 doses per trip, but alot of my friends developed tolerances over time which leads them to taking up to 16 hits of this same stuff. This never happened to me, because I usually keep at least a month in between my trips. Maybe people from the 60's and 70's acid culture have developed permanent tolerance to LSD, making all trips seem very weak unless they dose high.
With the title in mind, this thread has been moved to it's appropriate spot. I'd also like to remind everyone to avoid personal attacks (regardless of how on point they are )
The only data I've seen shows that on average the concentration per dosage unit has decreased to about 1/2 ( 1/3 for the most impotent) the amount in the hey day. This is consistent with my experiences in the late '90s where 2-3 was a perfect dose. I think in early 2000's there may have have been some counterfit RC substitution 'cid. I haven't seen anything in recent times. About the only other thing I can come up with by doing math is that the weight of the area of an average 'hit' of a piece of plain paper is less than 1 mg.
its possible that you don't know every acid cook and dealer out there maybe? But in terms of 'extremity of experience' McKenna rated them as DMT > Psilocybin > LSD > Mescaline
