Only if it's been hollowed out for that purpose. It was certainly known in that day. India has a long history of it. Hinduism goes back as far as the old testament. Shiva was quite fond of his pipe, and there is no mistaking what was in it. x
no, its not. they reference oil. that oil is speculated so be cannabis oil. there is no smoking even involved. show me a bible verse.
Unforunately Shiva couldn't have smoked a pipe until after the 15th c. when smoking was imported from the newly discovered Americas. There is no record of smoking in any oither culture prior to that date. Cannabis is often eaten in India, and that was probably how it was used in past ages. (see Terrence McKenna's 'Food of the Gods').
They had other methods of burning it and inhaling the smoke. There are archaeological examples of this from Europe to Asia to Africa. Whether or not pipes were introduced is debatable. Here is a link to the interesting history of smoking - http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/4114.html As for MJ and the Bible - http://www.equalrights4all.org/religious/bible.htm http://www.marijuanalibrary.org/mj-bible.html
The people who inhaled acidentally were a bit stupid then not to have invented something as obvious as the pipe. Either way, my previous point stands - in India were no pipes, chillums, bongs or indeed joints until after C.15.
The Bible is not even indifferent to smoking. It says in 2Corinthians 7:1 (direct quotation deleted according to the forum rules) that Christians should "cleanse themselves of every defilement of flesh and spirit". Defilement of flesh??? Well, smoking defiles the lungs so sure, that even after you've quitted, this harm cannot be undone; they never get clean again. This is additional proof of the obvious fact, that our lungs WERE NOT created with smoking in view. Let alone lung cacer, which kills about 50% of all smokers. I don't understand how those who stand strongly for ecology can ignore this clear fact about their own bodies. Defilement of spirit, too? Well, we can judge for ourselves if smoking doesn't become a strong habit, enslaving a person havily.
Do you have any proof or references for this? I find anicdotal evidence of chillums that are said to be thousands of years old in India.
Smoke from a wood fire, such as the type they would have used back in biblical times for cooking also has been proven to cause cancer, worse for a person then smoking Marijuana.
Chillums are ancient. They've been found the world over by archaeologists. So smoking one thing or another has been around for thousands of years. I do agree about the possibility of Shiva drinking bhang as opposed to smoking. Then again, the concept must have come from somewhere. x
Yes, good proof, too. So knowing this one would not worsen the harm by deliberately breathing in of smoke. Thanks for your note. I'm afraid, I violated the New Rules of the forum by quoting from the Bible. I will have to delete the direct quotations!
Don't worry about the biblical reference. You're not trying to jam it down our throats, although quoting the bible is banned in this forum (in the mj forum, you'd be fine with that). Despite what you stated earlier, if you're a tobacco smoker or cannabis smoker, once you STOP smoking your lungs CAN recover much of their function if you are otherwise healthy and relatively young. Your body is constantly replacing your cells, even brain cells (they recently discovered!) Of course once cancer has taken over the lungs and other organs of a tobacco smoker, it's way too late. Thus far there has never been a PEER-REVIEWED study that shows any link from cannabis to cancer.
I did a study on this yesterday. It said that the anointing oil used definitely had "kaneh bosm" in it, which is proven to mean: "hemp-aromatic", sometimes called "kannabos" or "kannabus". Cannabis! Anyway, apparently they drenched themselves in this oil, so it would have been possible for them to get high. They also "hotboxed" it in tents just like we do. Being "filled with the spirit" was apparently the same experience we call getting high or stoned. It was a really good article.
Could you show some actual evidence of this then? I'd like to see it as it would actually prove McKenna wrong.
I encountered a great deal of difficulty in researching this, mainly because the term "chillum" is used only in a small part of the world. And most of the sites that came up were online headshops. Smoking tubes is the search term I finally settled on. Archeologists used this description in some of what I found. This took up far too much of my time, but I turned up a few items of interest. http://ohsweb.ohiohistory.org/ohiop...Subject&searchterm=Ohio -- Antiquities&ID=363 http://ishop07.blogspot.com/2007/10/history-of-smoking-pipes.html http://www.onmarijuana.com/2007/03/30/the-real-history-of-the-bong/ http://grahamchandler.ca/journal/2005/02/growing-their-own.html In Alabama, where I grew up, the native indian population has been there for over 8000 years. Matter of fact, Russel Cave, about an hour's drive away, is the oldest known inhabited cave in all of North America. The indians were known to be smokers both in social and religious functions. Many pipes have been turned up in excavations all over the Americas. I'm sure the same must be true for Asia as the land bridge once connected us. I'll post more links if I come across them later. I'm researching the Middle East right now anyway. I'm trying to find something for the biblical years so I don't slide any further off topic here. x
Well I hope so, as a stopped smoking 10 years ago and before that I somked for some 16 years. But those researchers can never come to a definite result with these things -- whether the lungs can or cannot recover. I perosnally hope they did.
The lungs clean themselves constantly. It is only the constant smoking that derives from our addictions that makes the tar build up in our lungs faster than they can clean themselves. Which normally only effects heavy tabacco smokers, because traces in the lungs left from an occasional cigar or cigarette is removed fairly quickly. Also, same goes for marijuana, it is not smoked as rapidly as addicted cigarette smokers would smoke their cigarettes. As far as I know about smoking history, I know that early forms of argilles (hookahs) were smoked for centurys in ancient egypt. Generally with opium or hash sprinkled ontop or throughout the bowl of shisha.
You're killing me, ha-ha-ha. The "anointment" took place only once in a lifetime (as far as biblical account is concerned). I wonder, if you ever tried it on yourself (purely for experiment's sake): fry some good stuff on a pan with vegetable oil and drench yourself thoroughly and, perhaps, get filled with the spirit, too? And the incense they burnt in the temple had a unique composition, which wasn't a secret, for it is mentioned in the Bible ("stacte drops and onycha and perfumed galbanum and pure frankincense. There should be the same portion of each" -- Ex 30:34 ). These were "perfumes", not "drugs"; making such composition for other usage was strongly forbiden. But there was no restriction on any usage of the components. So, if cannabis really was there, there was no ban on using it by common people. And yet, you find no direct or indirect hints in the Bible, that this was ever practiced. On the other hand, it speakes strongly against the "practices of the nations", that these were not to be accepted. This fair study gives me more points against, than in favor of the idea, that "marijuana is in the bible". Still, if someone has some other serious points to consider, it would be very interesting to know. Right, I actually meant heavy smoking for quite a long time.
