Twin towers

Discussion in 'Conspiracy' started by ohdear1492, Oct 4, 2007.

  1. killuminati

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  2. ExposeTheTruth

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  3. ExposeTheTruth

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    Yeah, but it's not the fact that the buildings fell. It's the WAY they fell. They imploded and fell into their own footprint. Symmetrically. And at free-fall speed. Melting and bending steel won't allow that. If the buildings were to collapse from fire (and the impacts of the planes) the collapses would have been gradual and most likely the buildings would have sagged and toppled over. Instead they each fell neatly down in under 10 seconds. Impossible without pre-planted explosives. There are professional physicists who confirm this, namely Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan along with others.
     
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    Wrong but thanks for playing. The construction style of the towers allows for this kind of collapse. The jet fuel did indeed melt and bend the steel. Thousands of gallons of it tends to have that effect, it all didn't go up in those fireballs. The floors indeed pancaked. No explosives were needed. IMHO anyone who believes the government did this is an assclown.
    Including Steven Jones and Kevin Ryan if it's true they believe it.
     
  5. ExposeTheTruth

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    He actually used the word "assclown"...

    Even the 9/11 Commission conceded that the "pancake theory" was inaccurate. ;)

    You make a baseless statement that means absolutely nothing.
     
  6. Make Mangoes Not War

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    God, I am so sick of hearing this.
    THAT IS NOT A REAL QUR'AN VERSE!
    Actually, chapter 9, verse 11 is :

    But, if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: Do we explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand.

    Oh, and even though steel melts at 1525° C, with jet fuel burning at 825° C, when steel reaches a temperature around 650° C, it loses 50% of it's strength. Surely that is enough to make buildings of such size to collapse?
     
  7. Jay-Jay

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    tommysnot is wack.
    look at his posts on page 4 of this thread. he makes no sense.
    dont even bother trying to reason with him.
     
  8. tommyhot

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    You're clueless. Completely. Congratulations. Thank your teachers and parents, they did such a great job with you....
     
  9. Reptile

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    Well said,Anyone with half a brain can work out whats going on just do abit of research.
     
  10. Reptile

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    It is mpossable for the jet fuel to of melted the steel as it cant reach the temperature needed.
     
  11. tommyhot

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    Bullshit. Pure and simple. It easily reached the temperature needed.
     
  12. Reptile

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    where do you get your acts from?
     
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    Steel does NOT have to melt all the way through to FAIL. The steel melted enough to fail, no total melting is needed for this to happen.


    ""Melted" Steel

    Claim: "We have been lied to," announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. "The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC."

    FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength — and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

    "Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

    But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

    "The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

    Source:

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=4


    Other source via a little thing called Google.
     
  14. Reptile

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    ok what about building 7?
     
  15. tommyhot

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    Building 7 was on fire most of that day too caused by debris from the towers. Again, steel weakened by fire. Steel doesn't melt by implosions, they use shape charges ("V" shaped) to CUT the steel for implosions.

    With the Twin towers you wouldn't implode them from high up, you would do it from closer to ground level. You weaken the higher floors in strategic ways to cause it to fall certain ways.
     
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    Responding to the original post - sorry, haven't read all of the replies. :)

    The wingdings trick is totally creepy! But if you look into it...

    From http://www.hoax-slayer.com/wingdings-911.html, which effectively debunks all this nonsense:

    "None of the planes involved in the 9/11 attacks had the flight number "Q33 NY". The flight numbers of the planes that crashed into the Twin Towers were in fact "11" and "175"...

    Some have claimed that "Q33 NY" was actually the tail or registration number of one of the planes. However, this is also untrue. The actual tail number of Flight 11 was "N334AA". Nor did any of the other hijacked aircraft have the registration number "Q33 NY" (see Data Table below). Searches of the Federal Aviation Administration website afforded no results for "Q33 NY". In fact, most civil aircraft registrations in the United States start with the letter "N" and nationality and registration markings are commonly referred to as "N-Numbers"."

    And finally, their closing words, which I think are nicely put:
    "This hoax message dishonours the memory of those who lost their lives in the 9/11 attacks. Please do not forward it."
     
  17. widowbluntz

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    This shit is a straight cover up, I know all about it, Bush and some niggas needed to dump some files and strengthen his voters loyalty. He blew up the twin towers and paid the towel fuckers to fly those planes, the evidence is overwhelming, he did a major coverup job launched a war of freedom, killing american soldiers, to earn a buck and cover his ass along with a bunch of other rich motherfuckers, Bush will pay for 9/11 oneday

    anyone who believes the headlines is a fucking idiot
    The truth is you can't handle the truth and anyone who has figured it out is probably alread dead except for me that is why I hide in a cave
     
  18. tommyhot

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    You need to put that crack pipe down.....
     
  19. MollyBoston

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    With the internet?! Nice cave you got there! :)
     

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