Chemtrails? Why We Don't Know

I loved planes as a kid. Watching those jets fly overhead was just the bees knees and hearing that high/low WHOOSH as they went by was enough to make all my hairs tingle.

I remember asking about those trails that came off the backs of them. "Those are ice crystals in the air." Got the full explanation, why the floated there, what the planes did that caused it, and so on.

Of course being a plane fanatic as the years went by I was always watching for any signs of planes in the sky, when the thought crossed my mind, and I always would try to find a contrail, one of the easiest ways to find a plane, cause all you had to do was follow the line.

A few more years go by and a thought pops into my head. "There sure are a lot more of those ice strings in the air than there used to be."

At another point I remember thinking, "Those trails stay in the air a LOT longer than they used to, that's weird."

Never thought another thing about it. Ever.

Then I heard about chemtrails...and quite honestly...I am in a mild panic about them. We've heard about the toxins in the water, specifically in paper saying to reduce the population. There's no reason to think it's any different in the sky.

But we just don't know.

Let's not remember chemtrails as something we *wish* we had investigated sooner. Let's do it now. If it's nothing, awesome, no worries. But, if it's SOMETHING...we need to know <b>RIGHT NOW.</b>

Research, learn as much as you can, AND SHARE. Repost what you learn, bring it to light for all of us.

 

They are called contrails, not chemtrails. They are made up of frozen water and not chemicals.

 

sorry Dave but they are called chemtrails. i haven't seen one but i've heard plenty about them. the contrails only last about 20 minutes or so but the cemtrails last for hours and spread across the sky like a haze. it's suspected that they contain toxins, viruses and bacteria but no one knows for sure. at least not anyone i know.

 

I'm not talkin about contrails dude, that was kinda the point of my thread. Contrails are normal, and besides being much thinner and more dense, they only stick around for a max of about 45 minutes in good conditions.

Chemtrails are the things people *ahem* are confusing with contrails because of their similar looks, but chemtrails stay in the skies for hours and sometimes all day. Also, there are pictures from all over the U.S. showing them in grid patterns. This happens far too often, and too spread out, to be military training drills, and private or commerical craft don't/wouldn't fly those paths.

What we need is someone to fly up with a gas mask and get some of that stuff in a jar to take to a lab and have it investigated so we can just know once and for all what it is and get on with it.

 

Even the mainstream media is starting to admit to the existence of chemtrails, albeit barely.

NBC News: Chemtrails over California
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIAWWL4HQDg

Local news station confirms barium in chemtrails
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okB-489l6MI

See also

Chemtrail Proof - German Military Exposed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPqCMIuEk4

 

Yeah, I know what contrails are. Contrails don't last for hours or expand to create a blanket of fake cloud cover like chemtrails do. I have been researching chemtrails for many years. I know all about them and what they're used for. A lot of it is weather modification, some of it is military, and some involves the release of biologicals. It is a multi-faceted operation that is occurring on a near-global scale. It's been going on for decades, but it was really stepped-up within the past 10-12 years or so, to the point that it's now a regular, daily occurance over most of the US and other western nations -- primarily NATO countries.

 

Rat have you seen these over NY? i work outside in VA and have never seen anything like what you (or others) describe.

 

Yeah, I see them all the time around here. I didn't really go anywhere today, so I didn't get a good look at the sky. However, yesterday they were out in full force. I have seen days that started off completely clear, and the forecast called for clear skies all day.... yet, before the evening rolled around, the sky was already completely blanketed by a pseudo-cloud haze from all the spraying.

I am sure you have seen chemtrails before. Here are some pictures I have taken from around my area. Some of the picture are not chemtrails, but scalar clouds caused by scalar electromagnetic tampering of the atmosphere.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/10500329@N02/sets/72157601917408696/

These chemtrails are used in conjunction with HAARP and scalar technology because these aerosols contain heavy metals, which converts the atmosphere into a plasma state, which is kind of like an electrical circuitry where this EM energy can be better conducted and transmitted to alter weather patterns and the jet stream.

 

I see chemtrails all the time now that I realize what they are. It's crazy that most people are "blind" to this taking place. I guess no one wants to believe they might live in a world where they can be sprayed like bugs, and have no control of this what so ever, or more likely, most people just don't know what is being done to them...

 

sorry Dave but they are called chemtrails.

The correct term is "contrails." The other term is a slang term associated with a conspiracy theory that so far isn't supported by any evidence whatsoever.

contrails only last about 20 minutes or so but the cemtrails last for hours and spread across the sky like a haze

Simply incorrect.

http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/resources/Contrail_Formation_English.pdf
http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/GLOBE/contrails/
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/wxwise/contrail.html
http://iangoddard.net/contrail.htm
http://iangoddard.net/contral2.htm
http://www.agu.org/sci_soc/prrl/prrl9919.html
http://www.nmsr.org/pilotsvu.htm
There's simply no mystery here at all. Contrails are very well understood, as much so as the other basics of meteorology, physics, and chemistry.

It reminds me of the "Bermuda Triangle" mystery. Again, there is simply no mystery there whatsoever. The many causes of air and sea disasters are pretty well understood, and there's nothing unusual about that area or its history.

"Local news station confirms barium in chemtrails"

In the YouTube video you link to, the swinging hip television news guy made a basic math error, demonstrated clearly here using the video itself as the evidence (basically the reporter got confused on the difference between ppm and ppb). The only mystery here is why the barium level is so low. Then again, the reporter's collection method itself makes the "study" completely useless.

 

The way I see it is this. Let's assume it's true, worst case scenario, since if it's not pfff fine.

WHAT NOW? The order for this sketchball shit is clearly coming from a higher authority than you or I, the voting bodies of government. So WTF? You think it's supposed to stop cause we found out? I don't think so.

 

Got any more government/NASA websites you would like to provide for us, Sunlion, telling us what "contrails" are supposed to look like or how "contrails" will be "significant climate factor by 2050"? (all carefully-crafted propaganda).

 

And I just love this little nugget of propagandist indoctrination for all the young kiddies: the "Contrail Count-a-Thon," brought to you by NAZI (I mean, NASA).

http://www.nasa.gov/audience/foreducators/k-4/features/F_Counting_Contrails.html

That's right, get the kiddies acclimated while they're young so they will believe they're "contrails" as they're being sprayed like bugs by their loving government.

Besides, it's not like the US government ever experimented on its own people. Right?

 

SunLion,

You're getting "facts" from the people we're telling you are corrupt.

That's like me running up and telling you that your boss has been slipping rat poison into your coffee and you go and ask him if it's true or not.

 

Wow. The dumbassedness in this thread has set an alltime record, I think. I don't use the term "stupid" because that's mean and nasty. There are dumb people who are kind and loving people, and I won't speak ill of them. But refusal to even look at the links, whether through intellectual laziness, or due to fear of not being able to figure out for yourself if the information is correct... well that's just plain dumbassery and dumbassedness combined

You're getting "facts" from the people we're telling you are corrupt.

If you don't believe the assertions made, test them yourself. If you're smart enough to figure out how to do so.

One of those links uses no "outside information" for you to not trust! It only uses the information given in the video that PressedRat posted. It clearly demonstrates that the idiot television news guy made an error in basic math. Take a look for yourself, he even uses images right from the video, showing the exact point at which he mistakes "parts per million" with "parts per billion." I know this may be hard to accept, since you're hearing this from me, obviously one of "those who are in on the chemtrail conspiracy," but parts per million and parts per billion are not the same thing.

Okay, okay, I know that won't convince you. Even if you see it for yourself, with your own eyes and ears, and understand it, it will only convince you that the government is controlling your mind, making you see/hear/think what THEY want you to think.

Is it a "government conspiracy" to assert that million and billion do not mean the same thing? Are you really saying that one million equals one billion and that it's all those evil conspiring mathematicians and engineers that trick us into thinking otherwise? Do the evil conspiring scientists use mind control on you or something, so that it prevents you from understanding that 2+2 does not equal 68 billion?

Most of the other links simply show information on the basics of things like temperature, humidity, etc. and how they relate to each other. Basic high school science. If you really think "those conspirators are at it again," then why not test it for yourself?

I can think of at least three different experiments that you could do at home that would demonstrate or refute the basic concept. You could do all three in under five minutes. No, I won't coach you. After all, if I helped you, you'd just say I'm in on the chemtrailz or something.

That's like me running up and telling you that your boss has been slipping rat poison into your coffee and you go and ask him if it's true or not.

Not at all analogous. And it's also a logical fallacy. The fact that Hitler knew that 2+2=4 does not prove that 2+2= something other than 4.

 

Actually, it is perfectly analogous.

"Dumbassedness?" ... You're right.

 

In your analogy, the person allegedly poisoned could not easily check to see if their beverage contained poison. Quite opposite the situation with the "OMFG Chemtrailz LOL" fantasy.

The basic premise asserted by OMFG Chemtrailz OhNoez Theorists can be easily disproven by anyone in their own kitchen in a few minutes' time. Unless you're afraid to even trust your own senses in your own home. Or too clueless to even know how to test it.

Sorry, but no matter how much that "cloud" looks like an elephant or a government conspiracy, a cloud is a cloud, and a contrail is a contrail. And if you believe that observation, measurement, and the application of logic to a problem has no validity, then why do you even bother to attempt to communicate with other human beings?

 

1. Okay, that you are actually holding on to this necessity for a FUCKING ANALOGY to be 100% perfect is retarded.

2. You assume that I'm talking about a fatal dose of poison. I'm not, which further means that I was accurate.

3. It can't be disproven by anyone in their home since I do not have the planes dumping the chemicals, or the content of their payload.

 

The fact is samples have been collected by independent citizens across the country, which have turned up unusually high levels of heavy metals, molds, and biological substances. Even nanofibers. This stuff eventually falls to the ground as a web-like, filament type substance.

There is a website -- www.carnicom.com -- which is by an independent researcher named Clifford Carnicom. On his website he analyzes the fallout from these chemtrails and fully documents his collection and analysis methods. He also has a documentary you can watch for free on Google, titled Aerosol Crimes.

 

1. Okay, that you are actually holding on to this necessity for a FUCKING ANALOGY to be 100% perfect is retarded.

Your analogy was completely useless. You are correct that "useless" is less than fully helpful.

2. You assume that I'm talking about a fatal dose of poison. I'm not, which further means that I was accurate.

I made no mention of fatality, I have no idea where you got that from. Your assertion just says that you shouldn't trust the boss to give you a correct answer, because you already have reason to suspect he can't be trusted because you've been told he's using poison against you. Okay, you shouldn't trust someone that you can't trust. It's kind of circular, wouldn't you agree?

What I've been saying since the start is that there's no need to trust any outside authority, it's basic science you can do at home or in a lab, using your own senses for all observations. You can prove on your own, with no outside help (you damn sure aren't getting any from me, and I'll be here to taunt you until you make yourself figure it out) that the basic claim of chemtrails dreamers is false.

Rat did introduce evidence which someone has already proven invalid due to a math error that you can actually see in the video itself. My link only tells where to look in Rat's cited video to find the error, and it then links to the same video so you can see it for yourself.

3. It can't be disproven by anyone in their home since I do not have the planes dumping the chemicals, or the content of their payload.

Since not every human on earth can simultaneously examine the chemicals associated with every plane on earth, of couse we cannot know for sure that chemicals have never been dumped from a plane (we know for sure already that chemicals are dumped from planes literally every day, cropdusting isn't new).

However, you made a precise assertion as to how to determine whether a contrail contains harmful agents, and that assertion is completely laughable scientifically, and can easily be proven false without any expensive equipment, right at home. It would take me under ten minutes to do it.

Now, look at this again logically, and tell me how you can test your assertion.

My links will probably help you, and you don't have to trust them if you don't wish to. But it might give you an idea as to how you can test this using your own senses.