Christianity and war

war and Christianity have always been connected so that society could justify mass murder and even know such things are done

 

While your statement is a bit generalized, I agree that Christianity tends to have a history or violence and hate. Its one of the very few religions I am generally against in the sense of that I think they are negative, ignorant, and will inevitably always be the cause of some war or racism or hate or taking away of rights.
Look at them. Despite all the hate in the world, they still are freaking out and trying to outlaw same sex marriage, are anti gay, are anti love. There isn't enough love in this world.
They believe their path is the "only way". BS. Sounds like an arrogant little brat to me.
I refuse to believe in or worship a hateful, vengeful, jealous god.

 

yeah they preach peace and love until they find something that they feel is wrong and then they get all we're right we are holyer than tho like the crusades there a bunch of hypocrites

 

Basically all religions have been connected to war and there has been massive wars and genocide long before Christianity. Next argument

 

I believe in Jesus and absolutely agree with gay rights because if there is love then I think that is all that matters. I dont agree with wars, I think there is another way to settle things. Basically I agree totally with TheMadcapSyd...There are GOOD and BAD in every religion, culture, race, age group, etc. Dont just target one group of people. Like he said...next argument

 

um... Buddhism? Paganism? Wicca? Taoism? Not very violent in my opinion. Next argument.

 

have you never herd of the samurai most of them were buddhist and there religion not only accepted but encouraged the continuation and preservation of the samurai they even went so far as to bind the rules of there own religion just to give the samurai a righteous way to murder


buddhism is not a peaceful religion

 

"Preservation". Not "kill the nonbelievers". And what about the other religions I listed? I believe that the most hateful, violent religions are christianity, catholosism, and Islam. All three shun "nonbelievers" and discriminate. I'm not saying they're totally evil, because they've also helped some people, mostly christianity. But in general, these three religions are religions of hate and ignorance. All encourage discrimination and hate, all discourage learning and questioning and of course, open minds.

 

valid point your right mainstream religion has corrupted to the point that it n longer represents what the founders of these religions intended and is used as nothing more than a tool to justify countless atrocities

 

Well Wicca in the modern sense no but it's also a very modern religion, paganism through history then yes, many many many deaths. Also Buddhism, the shining example is the tranquil Tibet that for around circa 800 to around 1200 with the Mongol invasions Tibet had a pretty decent sized empire. But you're forgetting Islam, Hinduism, just about every pre-monotheist religion, Shintoism, Scientology will probably be responsible for 70 million deaths before the century is over, plus the fact when it comes down to it most wars have had to do with ethnicity and resources vs god.

 

i believe there's profound truths to all religons and spiritual paths. even if everyone on earth were atheists we'd still see wars. anyone else remember the soviet union? communism tends to reject the idea of god and organised religions. yet the USSR was known for it's very violent tendecies. same thing applies to modern day China. makes me wonder why so many people on this website seem to approve of marxism. Nietszche(sp?) once said that convictions are greater enemies of truth than lies.

 

but what if their bibles preach the words of hate, like in this case??

 

War would happen regardless of religeons. Religeon is only involved because its a mental race, and people will always have hate toward other races.

 

Nietzsche said a lot of interesting things, and without too much research you can get him to contradict himself on a whole range of topics. At some point (I'm not sure which book) he said something which applies to the arguments above:
"The last Christian died on the cross."

In terms of his teachings (assuming the New Testament is accurate in places), Jesus was a radical pacifist. This is one of the major themes that set him apart from traditional Judaism and from (seven centuries later) Islam. As James Taylor puts it in a song,
"You just can't kill for Jesus."
This pacifism also sets him apart from the various intolerant and warlike so-called Christian churches from the Middle Ages onward.

 

I always noticed that atheists often use the argument that a colossal amount of deaths were done in the name of christianity.

I always felt that while many wars may have been waged because of christianity (or any other religion at that), people need an output for violence, it's their human nature, and religion was just a way to let it out.

I think if christianity had never of happened, wars would have still been waged.

Ofcourse, I could be totally wrong

 

War is wrong..there is no 2 ways around it. I would never be a part of a religion that supports or involves themselves in mans stupid wars.

 

agreed. too many people fail to notice *ahem* look at the bible. Look at the Koran. Look at all the parts that say "Kill infidels", "beat your women", "burn witches". The bible is the base of Christianity, just as the Koran is to Islam... so to follow these religions, you're essentially following these teachings as well, whether you'd like to admit it or not.

 

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I think there are some things you're overlooking, like history. First of all, we have some experience with atheist regimes: Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, etc. And they were world class in going to war, violence, killing, and opressing people. In fact, every atheist regime we've ever known has been violent, ruthless, and oppressive. Second, most wars in history have had little or nothing to do with religion. That would include the Pelopponesian war, the Punic War, the conquests of Alexander and the Mongols, the Battle of Hastings, the War of the Roses, the American Revolution, the Civil War,World Wars I & II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War,etc. Third, we can't "all agree that religion is generally violent and inclusive" because it isn't. Some religions are, others aren't, and there's no tradition of pacifism outside of religion. So nothing that you say stands to reason.

 

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