Immigration.

The white race doesn't even have respect for the white race, Italians, Portugese, Spanish(spain), and Greek people weren't considered white by the good deal of people to the early 1900's. Slavic people in Eastern Europe were the same till the 1930's-40's. The definition of white keeps changing. Arabs are considered white for census purposes. Hispanic can mean white too, technically Hispanic just means anyone from the Latin American countries, in some countries that can mean a very indian dominated culture(Bolivia, Peru) mixed white-indian heritage(Chile, Colombia) or mostly white(Argentina, Uraguay.) Just an odd bit of irony, while most Americans would think of Uraguay and Argentina probably as hispanic countries, those places where people tango, they're actually a good deal more white then America is.

But the point I was gonna make is that I bet in 40-50 years any hispanic that looks kind of white will be called white. Don't matter anyways, in 50 years we're gonna be a Catholic and hispanic country anyways.

 

"Americans are not a race"

 

I'm white

Pure awesome not-too mixed white. Belorussian and Polish. Not even immigrant generation shit. Born in Russia too. Kinda, almost in between Belorus and Poland... a tad rather ironic if you'd think of it. Or maybe my parents were just really into geographical geometry. I shall save that thought for another day.

I defend Mexicans just like I would defend any other jammin' ethinc person whom fools stereotpe just because of the colour of his skin.

 

i dont care if they 'take' our jobs. they are doin their own fuckin thing man. let them be.

but illegal immigrants can be a different story

 

i reckon americans are a race in themselves =p
hehe

 

neither are mexicans. but you sure do seem partial to them, i've met a few mexicans that don't look like typical mexicans at all. very fair skin and not so dark hair. not mestizo in the least bit. then again many europeans have lived down there. i even think in the 19th century german royalty mingled down there.

don't kid yourself rubin, they're as much of a nusiance as anyone else is. illegal aliens bring more problems with them than they bring solutions for our country. migrants from mexico are notorious for bring up drug resistant diseases. because of this los angeles has had severe outbreaks of TB in recent times. the only thing an illegal alien is illegal. period.

 

originally hispanic specificly refered to someone from spain. in 50 years we'll also be a third world country. but that's what happens when you let a shitload of third world inhabitants in. the global economy simply canot withstand allowing all of earth's inhabitants to live the same economic and social standards that we have here in the west. hope everyone from here has fun being second class citizens, because that's what will happen

 

"Mexicans" are not a race, I agree. But Latin American people are a modern established racial group, you cannot deny it.

Yes, and they are as much of a nusiance as anyone else. No more and no less of a nusiance that you.

While... TB? Are you serious? It's going to come into the country anyway, illegally or legally. You cannot stop that. Hell, these people could actually get treated for the TB if they were made legal.

 

You do realise that's probably the most paranoid, xenophobic thing you could possibly think. We've been taking in the world's poor for hundreds of years and all it's done is made us the world's richest and most powerful country.

 

it's really odd how someone with a ron paul 08' in his post doesn't take immigration issues more serious. ron paul pretty much wants to do away with immigration. atleast in the manner in which it currently stands. i don't want any illegal aliens here, regardless of of race or national origin. most everyone agrees the earth is overpopulated as it is. why in the world would you want an even bigger population explosion here in the states? they're not needed, heck even most poles on tv have said as many as 70% of american polled don't want them here. it's not paranoia, history has shown that when you dilute the established population of any given country it destroys it's fabric and way of life. why do you think germanic tribes were able to crush rome? becauise rome left itself way too open to foreigners and blindly embraced multiculturalism. as well as expanded it's reach too thinly. remind you of any country yopu know of or live in? here's a newsflash for you guys, we are the new roman republic. so prepare to fall. it has only made a select few rich, not the entire country rich. do you honestly think all these politicians kissing foreign ass really care about these immigrants? no they don't. they want them here for their votes and so their corporate friends can exploit them even more.it's hypocritical how mexico can enforce it's immigratioon laws to the letter. you have to prove to them that you live in their country to get a driver's license. meanwhile in america there are states that allow undocumented migrants to have driver's licenses. i've actually talked to mexicans about this issue. mexicans born here who speak english, most of them agreed with me that they don't want any illegal immigrants in the united states either. same thing applies to a lot of american indians too. as far as you are concerned rubin, you obviously didn't get the phrase "drug resistant". they can still get treatment for it, because hospital emergency rooms are required by federal law to provide a doctor's attention to anyone who walks in regardless of wether they can pay or not. but i already elaborated on that in an earlier posting. in the next fifty years or so everyone will be screwed, legal or not. we cannot afford to house and feed everyone that wants to come here. the statue of liberty says give me your tired, hungry and por. we can't even take care of our own tired, hungry and poor that was born here. how the hell do you expect us to take care of anyone else if we can't take care of ourselves first? if millions of americans flooded mexico every year to live there permanently mexico would scream bloody murder about it. they'd also expect us to speak their language, or atleast have someone around who can interpret it for us. a lot of these newer immigrants think shit should just be handed to them and they shouldn't have to go through the proper channels to become citizens. some of these illegals even march down our country's street burning american flags while waving a mexican flag. i'm sorry, but that's not cool at all. a century ago we would have sent our military to crush them where they stand for such an act of bold faced defiance.

 

1. There are more important issues then immigration

2. For the love of freakin god learn to use paragraphs.

3. If that was true, our country would already be dead considering the established British population has long been diluted.

3. Rome fell from many things that had little to do with multi-culturism, for 1 thing, Rome was what it was because of the fact it owned a giant empire. Political divisions in the empire in the empire lead to it's split under different emperors until it was reunited under Constantine, but Constantinople was named new capital of Rome. The eastern Roman empire had always been much richer then the westner part and this just further worsened the divide and when the empire again split the west was left in severe economic crisis along with a political system dominated by military strongman vs emperors that were mere figgureheads that further weakened central control over the western empire.

4. Yea the politicians are probably reaching for votes, but guess what, they're doing the same thing to us too, they don't care, they're jobs depend on us being happy enough for us to vote for them again, now what they actually do

5. Mexicans are not the cause of drug-resistant disease, living in a nation of pill popping Americans because doctors are trigger happy with the prescription pad is the reason more diseases are becoming more drug resistant.

6. If millions of Americans flooded into Mexico I think they'd enjoy it, people come here to work because even poor wages in our economy are better then in most of the world. Millions of Americans flooding into Mexico with american money, it'd be a holiday. All I can say to put it into perspective is what if one day Mexico was like "ehhh, well we're sick of all you loud mouth Americans, for now on only 60,000 Americans can come on vacation here" we'd scream bloody murder

7. We would've never sent our military in because 100 years ago we took in as many immigrants as we could find so it was never an issue.

 

sure we would have, you don't just go on someone else's soil and burn their flag and chant death to america without expecting some kind of reprucussions. oh wait, this is america. one of the most spineless and passive countries out there. which is why we allow foreigners who hate us to come here. if you don't think immigration is that important, why have a ron paul 08' logo? it's one of his biggest platform issues. it has been since he first started running for president. you'll think it's not that important when you're forced to take a backseat to those who weren't even born here. america needs to stop catering to everyone else's needs while ignoring our needs. probably reaching for votes? there's no probability to it. it's what is going on. you can keep your eyes closed all you want, but it won't make the problem at hand go away. by the way, rome just didn't fall because of political corruption. rome got sacked because it had weak borders and the majority of it's military might was overseas. the same thing is going to happen here. just wait and see.

 

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/border-security-and-immigration-reform/


"The talk must stop. We must secure our borders now. A nation without secure borders is no nation at all. It makes no sense to fight terrorists abroad when our own front door is left unlocked. This is my six point plan:

Physically secure our borders and coastlines. We must do whatever it takes to control entry into our country before we undertake complicated immigration reform proposals.
Enforce visa rules. Immigration officials must track visa holders and deport anyone who overstays their visa or otherwise violates U.S. law. This is especially important when we recall that a number of 9/11 terrorists had expired visas.
No amnesty. Estimates suggest that 10 to 20 million people are in our country illegally. That’s a lot of people to reward for breaking our laws.
No welfare for illegal aliens. Americans have welcomed immigrants who seek opportunity, work hard, and play by the rules. But taxpayers should not pay for illegal immigrants who use hospitals, clinics, schools, roads, and social services.
End birthright citizenship. As long as illegal immigrants know their children born here will be citizens, the incentive to enter the U.S. illegally will remain strong.
Pass true immigration reform. The current system is incoherent and unfair. But current reform proposals would allow up to 60 million more immigrants into our country, according to the Heritage Foundation. This is insanity. Legal immigrants from all countries should face the same rules and waiting periods. "



these are the man's own words, why would you vote for someone such as that if he comes into conflict with your views on immigration. the fact is we can't afford to let everyone live here that wants to live here. nor do we have the space to house them all. especially when certain ones tend to have larger family units than most other ethnic groups do. it's probably got something to do with their roman catholic upbringings teaching them that birth control is evil. i know a lot of mexicans are poor, which is why condoms should be widely distributed in third world nations for free of charge. there's no sense in allowing people to overbreed when they can't afford to take care of themselves, let alone their kids. then again i think rubebrs should be freely distributed everywhere on earth. not just third world lands.

 

Rome had weak borders because of decades of economic decline, political unrest, civil war, and a general uninterest in the affairs of the western half of the empire which led to a severe shortage of legions to defend thousands of miles of borders. And by the way that analogy would be great if this was 1,700 years ago and the visigoths were trying to invade us. Though I guess Mexicans coming here ilegally to find work.

And where are these death to america rallies? I see them often...............in Pakistan. There's nothing wrong with burning the flag as a sign of protest if you hate the current government.

And we're the pussies of the world? We do whatever the hell we want, jesus we're involved in 2 wars right now.

And Ron Paul's campaign is focuses on limiting the scope of the federal government and ending regulations along with getting rid of the federal reserve and going back to a semi gold standard

 

not all immigrants are farmers or construction workers, where I live most of the business are owned by immigrants.

 

that's because america would rather give handouts to people not even born here than take care of it's own.

 

^ahhhh im so done with this thread. everybody keeps saying the same dam thing over and over again. lets just let this one rot.

 

all i gotta say is the country was built on immigrants cuz theyre known to put in a hundred-ten-percent work all day just 2 pay the rent

 

Your taxes are paying for illegal immigrants? haha
Where is your logic? Did you use that little thing in your head called a brain or are you just typing in what good ol' Mr. Dobbs tells you?
Your 19, My parents were paying taxes before you were even born and yes they are undocumented. Don't be so naive and listen to the same media that shows 2 minutes of a natural disaster and an hour of Paris Hilton getting out of jail, they tell you their propaganda so you can eat all up and to believe what they want you to believe. The stereotype that "illegal immigrants" don't pay taxes is a bunch of crap. The goverment takes in billions of dollars in taxes plus they steal 7 billion dollars every year and over 1.5 billion for Medicare, And yet, virtually none of the illegal workers will ever receive benefits back from these federal programs? Not one penny
Did you know that all Social Security Administration projections and budgets include, and rely heavily on, billions in annual contributions from undocumented immigrant workers? That Social Security would have a significant solvency problem without that revenue. Look it up!
The media doesnt want you to know this, the list goes on what the media doesnt want to tell you but i'm not gonna keep going as i am really tired right now. Did you know that the United States has been in a recession for years now? Did you know that the U.S dollar is losing it's value? Ahhh History repeats itself. Did you know that during the Great Depression, the United States deported nearly 2 Million Mexicans and Mexican- Americans, 60 % were children born in the U.S who barely spoke Spanish. Thats a violation of their Constitutional Rights, but do they talk about that in the history textbooks? NO. The U.S has always used Mexicans as scapegoats and it's happening again, Why all the sudden deportation of hundreds of thousands of these people? Bush fucked up the country into debt and he needs another excuse. It's an ugly immoral situation. I do understand that these people came illegally but i think that the goverment needs to deal with this matter in a comprehensive moral way, after all a lot of these people have been here for decades contributing to the United States.
Maybe have these people pay a fine for coming illegally, making them attend classes for learning English, and an eventual path to legalization.
Many say that these people are criminals. I dont think that a criminal will leave their whole family and friends behind and cross a deadly border into a foreign country to work a horrible job, with horrible pay, with no benefits or a right to join a union, with horrible conditions, My god man it's like the Great Depression for these people, don't you see?
The United States has had an anti- Mexican feeling for a long time and people think it is something that just happened. When the United States took Texas and all the other states from Mexico, they promised to respect and treat well the Mexican owners that were on the States, they broke their promise and took all these peoples houses and discriminated against them all, do they tell you that in School? NO. People think that African- Americans are the only ones who were discriminated against before, that's ignorace, the KKK and racist groups used to Lynch just as many Mexicans as they did African- Americans, do they tell you that in school? NO. During World War II, The United States needed many supplies and people that were fighting already in the war. Mexico became an active in World War II in 1942 after Germany sank two of its tankers. The Mexican foreign secretary, Ezequiel Padilla, urged other Latin American countries to support the Allies as well. A Mexican–North American joint defense committee planned cooperative operations to be carried out in the event the Japanese attacked Mexico's west coast. Former president Lázaro Cárdenas served on the committee and became minister of defense when that post was created in 1944. A Mexican air unit operated with the United States in the Philippines. But Mexico's major contribution to the war effort was the supply of raw materials for U.S. industry. Mexico also contributed hundreds of thousands of temporary farmworkers (braceros) and railroad men under the Bracero Treaty, which was negotiated by the United States in 1942 to help relieve labour shortages occasioned by the military draft. Do they tell you this in school? NO What thanks did they get for that? Signs on restaurants and stores that said "NO Mexicans" and the Zoot Suit Riots. For god sakes man. You smke pot no? Why arent you more open minded about things?
I find it hard to believe that it can make people angry that these people are here when they have been contributing to society just as much as they have. I find it hard to believe that they dont get mad when Cubans just set foot on U.S land and become automatic citizens basically when they have never contributed a penny to this country. Why is this because they Refugees from a Communist country, well guess what. These people coming from accross a brother nation are Economic refugees fleeing a Corrupt Deadly Goverment. It is nearly impossible to try to come here legally.
It seems like they make it expensive to a point where it isnt even possible to save that up. If possible it would take like decades, would you wait decades to give your children a better life? NO you wouldn't.
I think that it is wrong that the U.S Media portrays all "illegal aliens" as gang members. That is a ridiculous assumption, for the ones that are.
They are young and were born in Mexico but grew up in the U.S.
It is so silly to gather up a group and put a label on them because of what a few people have done. It is like someone stealing something in a store and the police comes in and blames everyone in the store for stealing.
Throw out the REAL criminals but give a chance to the people who have given their blood, sweat, and tears to the U.S.
The United States has done a horrible mistake by incriminating these people's status and raising racial tensions more than ever. Many say that it is not a matter of race but a matter of people breaking the law. Give me a break. The United States is the greatest country in the world and i take great pride in that but really, does the United States make the right choices all the time? Were the Jim Crow Laws right? Was the Imprisonment of the Japanese during World War II right?. The goverment isnt always right. Need i remind people of the Watergate Scandal? The U.S goverment hides a lot of things from us and Nixon just happened to get caught. I'm not saying let's leave open borders in any way. I'm just tryig to get accross that the Goverment needs to deal with these people who have been here for years and even decades contributing to this country, but like i said the U.S has made a horrible mistake because now the people within the U.S are hating each other and it is causing tension. When they should be focusing on real issues that could adversely affect us negatively in the future. While we're fight here killing each other, the enemy is gonna strike, and we're gonna fall. The U.S is getting closer and closer to a Nuclear War and people are ignoring that and focusing on throwing out middle aged people who have children and not done anything wrong but want to work.
I'm really tired, i could type more but i wont. I will wait for your response.

 

exactly the point that i was making in the chat the other day.