Can a blind man trip?

if one who is blind from birth take a psycadelic, can he hallucinate,if so what could he see, he has never sceen anything before, Can he create his own reality were he is not blind anymore. Are the trips more creative, or intense? Or dose he feel just the phsyical effects?

please discuss

 

I think that's only a question a blind person can answer. But I am sure they get some signifigant effects, there are CEV's after all

 

oh yeah they can trip just the same as us im sure..

why would it be any different than you doin a dose or shroons and taping your eyes closed??

i dont see how it would be.. now that would be a hellu trip IMO,, tape your eyes closed from start to finish,,definitely would ad a whole new dimension...

 

Thats an interesting question! If they had never seen images before they would only have their own imaginations to go with...
At the same time they would have difficulty explaining what they saw, since we would never know if what they were seeing was the same as what we see, it the same problem when asking is your red the same red as mine, there is no way to prove it...

 

it wouldnt be the same to just tape your eyes closed, we see black when we close our eyes people blind from birth say they dont see black they dont see anything, they even dream in only smells, touch, sound and taste. i think the mindstate would be there but really the acid can only warp the senses you have it cant create one youve never had (i dont think anyway)

my CEVs mostly consist of colors and patterns or tunnels a blind person doesnt know the shape a tunnel is sightwise or what its supposed to look like so i dont believe the drug could simply create these images although they could have some bizarre visual impressions maybe who knows..

anybody have a blind relative willing to dose?? haha

 

if they have never seen black,then how would they know what black looks like to be able to say that they dont see black??

and what exactly is nothing??? what we would describe as black perhaps???

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

so much for that argument....

 

well im going to have to say we need a blind dude to do this, but its still unsure if he could trip because his mind has never scene colors before, he has never scene anything bad or good. I think he may have auditory hallucinations. Damn i wish leary could have done this shit when he was in Harvard. Most of our trips have to do with the environment we can see, but swim cant. Could a brain make a pattern with a CEV he has never learned what a geometric shape may look like

 

If blind can dream, they can probably trip.
Blind person, will you please help us out with this question???
I'm really curious!

 

Leary or someone probably has done experiments on this before, its just a matter of finding the answers

 

im liking WanderingSoul's comment but then that raises questions, what do they dream about

 

Dammit we need a blind person in here!

 

"my brother has been blind from birth and has been dropping acid on a leisurely basis for years. I was with him one day when he experienced a flash-back - he claimed he could smell the presence of a rainbow before his knees dissolved and he crashed to the ground, fracturing his wrist and elbow. Once my laughter had receded I asked him what he thought a rainbow looked like - he said it felt like a thought of an ocean."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-26761,00.html

 

I just read that! In fact, I was about to post that link!!!
It was the best article I could find. It's hard to find stuff from a blind persons point of view. Just speculation from people who aren't blind.

 

wanderingsoul read what i posted, people blind from birth only dream with smell, touch, taste and sound they dont have visual impressions not anything that ive heard about anyway and i did do volunteer work for 6 weeks at a blind center in highschool. theyve described that nothing is in there visual plane whatsoever its like they dont have eyes at all when they are born blind.

its a good question that they dont know what black looks like, but ive been told by a blind person that its simply just like that sense doesnt exist, theres no "shades" i quote this because the blind guy who told me has never seen shade so he was going off what people had told him about black and white. i agree though it raises so many questions

i think it would just really trip out the senses they did have and theyd be experiencing synesthesia maybe (connected senses, its very interesting look it up on google) IE smelling a sound, hearing a smell ect ect

 

It makes me wonder at the structure, or lack of, consciousness itself. Would you still be able to meditate and connect with universal consciousness, God, the ability to 'Be' behind yourself or in front of yourself or anywhere for that matter, without having known sight at some point in your life? Because I can only manifest consciousness in places not confined to my senses in the form of sight. I've had sound sensation during seperation on psychedelics but never sober, at least not that I remember...

 

As someone acutely familiar with visual impairment, I feel obligated to respond here... so obligated in fact that I actually wasted the five minutes of my life it required to sign up for this site. I likely won't ever use it again, but if anyone's compelled to discuss the matter further with me, that's what AIM is for.

I was born visually impaired. Luckily, I was also born with a predisposition for intelligence. Like most curious and intelligent people, I was tempted to try out every fucking drug under the sun I could get my hands on. X, weed, shrooms, acid, coke, a pill here and there, mostly hydrocodone... you name it I've probably tried it at least once. My conclusion? I experience the shit no differently than anyone else. I'm probably not the perfect example based on the OP's question, because I still have a degree of my vision, but I do read Braille if that qualifies me for answering this question. I have never acutely noticed insane visualizations on acid. Mostly, for me, it's a jumble of thoughts. It's a slight switcharound of my perception, but nothing synesthetic or profound. Honestly, acid isn't to my liking. Too much trip and I'm generally sick of it after the first 8 hours. The last four or five respent on me wishing it were over. Shrooms are more up my alley. Gentler trip, happier time, less heavy and more fun. But we all do these things for our own reasons.

As to how a totally blind person would experience a trip... here's my take based on knowing several of them... but none who have actually done it. You guys weren't too far off the mark when you guessed that the other senses would take center stage. However, if someone's totally blind, there's a general lack of sense. You know how a dreamless sleep is? You lose all perception? That's kinda like what being totally blind can be compared to... aside from maintaining a contact with the other four cardinal senses. So, here's what they'd likely get... a total mindfuck with some auditory, perhaps tactal, and other sorts of hallucination. But someone with 0 use of the eyes isn't even going to be able to comprehend the visual spectrum. Someone who has had vision before may be able to conjure something up on the subconscious, but if you're born with nothing, then you have no concept of what colors, shapes, textures, surfaces, forms, or any of the other basic concepts behind visualization are. One cannot comprehend that which one has never met... that sort of thing. It's like if I invent something right now... a concept, per se, and told you its name but didn't explain it to you... it is utterly foreign. What you're left with are a bunch of words that add up to fuckall. That make sense?

Sorry if this is overly long, but it's a hard thing to explain to an outsider. You've had to have lived it. In short, totally blind people will have their other senses stimulated. People like me... who have some vision, will get visual queues, but I have a feeling I experience them less intensely than you do.

Phew. Hopefully that answers the question. Feel free to hit me up on AIM if the idea interests you enough to follow up.

 

My best hallucinations have been with my eyes closed And hallucinations come 2nd when you realize how amazing exisiting in this moment is. Try popping on some music and you'll experience the world like you never have before

 

Ive read lots of scientific papers about how the blind dream.
As the blind dont use their eyes and focus on their other senses- these senses are enhanced like smell and noise.
If a person goes blind even early in their life, they still retain some visual immagery in their dreams.
But if a person has been blind from birth they dont percieve colour. However. they can still percieve shape and size, like if they touched a tennis ball they can get an idea of its shape and size. In this way all the senses are used together so the blind still dream about ordinary things like for example walking down a road, but, they will experience in more detail more textures and noises that would have been overpowered by visuals.
I think this would be the same as tripping.

 

yes

 

I'm curious, what is involved with a person who is partialy(?) blind reading a thread and then posting a response. If your reading braille a GUI is out I imagine. Some kind of audio system reading you whats on the screen?