out of body experience

agreed! i know EXACTLY what you mean. it's one crazy ride eh?

 

Hmmm...mara-aum, would you be so kind as to tell me if and what you see regarding my past lives? We can do this via PM, if you prefer and are agreeable. I've had one hint up to now, and one only.

 

It was a shock for me coming into such a negative world. I've been told that where I come from I am praised and showered in love, I am respected, but here, it's the total opposite. This is my first incarnation on this world for a looooong time. I am only here because I decided to help out a bit.

 

one sacred moment at a time....

 

you know, once in a blue moon in a reading i'll pick up something usually if it pertains to the present (like causing a phobia etc) but in all honesty i think its pretty much redundant to know. one spiritual teacher of mine back in the day said "the queen you were in a past life doesn't change the pauper you are today"

i had a roomate in a college dorm long ago. she was one of those real awkward girls, homely etc that just didn't fit in anywhere. she went to a psychic that told her she was the woman in long flowing red hair in the famous celtic paintings (i don't remember the princess' name) anyway, you find these prints EVERYWHERE. well-the girl went PSYCHO. got obsessed with everything celtic, started to speak as if she was THAT princess & then went out to a renaissance fair & bought herself a princess dress that she wore EVERY day. she lost her job, disowned by her family & on welfare this already awkward girl became completely ostracized-especially from herself. it was HORRIBLE.



i took that as a lesson that digging too deep into past life stuff can be dangerous and really although fun can often be a waste of psychic energy. better to really immerse in the present.

 

Oh, right, mara-aum. You see something, but it's too hideous for words, and you refuse to tell me, isn't that so? ISN'T IT????

LOL

Well I figured you wouldn't have anything to tell me. Nobody ever does, but I thought I would try. The only past life revealed to me so far came to me in a half-doze on the commuter train one evening. I saw a pale-skinned man in his 60's, healthy and extremely well preserved, with very long, straight, white hair pulled up and tied in a top knot behind the crown of his head so that a pony tail arched up and backward. He had high cheekbones and was clean-shaven. And he looked like he was accustomed to authority. As I awoke from my half-doze, I said to my guide, "A priest." Then I asked, "Who?" "You," she answered. And the thing about this guy is that I just knew that he was the kind of guy who would make your life very hard if you didn't live the way he thought you should. Yes, he was wise to a large extent, with some true spiritual knowledge. But he was also a priss and a control freak. And yes, that man is me still, to some extent. I see his shadow on my life, though I've tried to expand on his strengths and transcend his weaknesses, with varied degrees of success.

But no, I'm not obsessed about this supposed past life. Just somewhat guided by it.

The spirits don't want me to know anything about any other lives--otherwise they would have given you something else to tell me. But thank you for your response, mara-aum.

And now I'll try to give up my usurping of this thread back to its original purpose--OBE's.

Oh, just one more comment before I give up my control LOL--your college roommate would have gone off the deep end even if she didn't find out about the "past life." Poor girl was innately insecure and obsessive and destined for a hellish life, one way or another. And that lesson was obviously meant for you also for some reason. May God have mercy on us all.

 

could it have been not a past life version of you but who you "really"are? you know--like the highest version of yourself possible for this life? i know you said he seemed a bit severe--but some of the greatest spirits are. i think of padre pio--he is a saint i admire--was hugely psychic, could bi-locate etc etc--BUT he was MEAN....there are HUNDREDS of stories where people would go to him for confession and wouldn't tell him what they REALLY felt guilty for & he'd throw them out of the church BUT every one of those people always came back & said they had no peace until they changed their life after meeting him.


compassion is necessary, empathy great....but sometimes you need to be abrupt to get the message accross. i've noticed that clients will sometimes interpret what you say so they hear what they want to hear and sometimes its necessary to be blunt in order to prevent that.

for example someone calls asking about their boyfriend and you pick up that he's a prick. if you say "he's difficult" they'll interpret that as "he needs work but its worth it" if you say "he's a fucking asshole that will keep you miserable" well...that's a bit more difficult to twist & turn.

 

I have them on occasion, but in a much different way. I don't get up and see myself or anything its more that my soul disconnects from my physical self and I become trapped in a trance state unsure of reality, unable to move or think...only feel. It's hard to explain. Shrinks would most likely call it "dissociative fugue" disorder...but I think that's a crock of shit; and I'm in the field of psychology!
I feel when it happens that my mind is opening and seeing existence in a new way, and closing out all of my normal point of views. The first time it happened I was terrified but now I embrace it. It's the sort of thing that people use drugs to experience, lol.

 

Okay, I guess I'm not finished usurping this thread yet.

mara-aum, you're absolutely right. From now on I'm going to be a major prick, cuz you said it's okay. LOL

Actually I think you ARE reading me some, because you're highlighting one of the major themes I'm dealing with at the moment. I just recently told somebody who had an aura of white light and a cabinet full of angels that she needed to love and accept her evil side. LOL And there was that post I did for Yeal where I skewered him pretty mercilessly--and I'm still thinking maybe he needed that...I grew up an extremely compliant "good" kid--for the most part--and one of the things my guides have helped me to realize is that I have a very dark side--which if accepted and utilized in appropriate ways can actually be a valuable asset.

However this guy I saw who is supposedly me--I don't think he's my higher self or my ultimate potential, as you're suggesting. I think his spiritual insight was more limited than mine (such as it is LOL), and he really was kind of a priss. And I had the impression that he was around a very long time ago, and his authority was over some sort of primitive tribal society. He seemed spiritually limited, somehow, and kind of pissed off. LOL No I am NOT pissed off, dammit! And how dare you suggest it! LOL

Your points are extremely valuable to me however, and worth much more contemplation--thank you for your insights.

 

Shrinks have already come up with some quaint disorders for me, and I'm sure there are others they'd like to try out on me, if given the chance. Well after all, that's what they're paid for!

So ummm how do you suppose you end up in these trance states, and can we do it, too? It sort of sounds like what some types of meditation are supposed to accomplish.

 

as i was reading your posts (before i got to that line) i thought "disorder--no way--sounds like a great lsd trip to me. i think you are experiencing a big connection to the "all" in those moments and yes--i do use drugs to help feel that more often, quicker and deeper. have you ever done lsd?

 

about yeal--i know i didn't like his posts and when he said things at the time i wished he'd go...but then after not hearing from him on here i hoped he wouldn't leave--just be a bit nicer is all. i actually miss his presence. you know, his hearing voices and such.....that's gotta mean he resonates at least a bit higher than most even if he does try to shut it down. i pray for his....i dunno what i pray for.....i guess i pray for his happiness and enlightenment.....could we have done differently? he got a rise out of me--holy shit did he ever and that's my bad. maybe if i didn't lash back i could have reached him? but he loathed me....hmmm.....when i think of it i feel it in the heart chakra--like a blockage.

i think i'm going to go pray for him and me and us right now.

yeal--if you ever get to read this: i am sorry for reacting--i could have done better by you. i please hope you return--respectfully mind you....but still--i feel this forum slightly less resonance without your voice in it.

 

not yet but i think i am going to with a friend from here sometime in the near future

 

i have done a lot of meditation in the past. I'm not sure where these states come from as they are pretty random (although they only happen when I'm still and relaxed) but part of me thinks maybe its my past experience with meditation and now the trance-states get a little out of control and go without me trying? I'm not very sure it is just a hunch.

 

Hmmm again...so you're a psychologist? Hope you bring this process to conscious awareness and give us the benefit of your findings. But a little out of control is maybe not such a bad thing--the cutting edge of exploration.

 

Oh now mara-aum--you start out talking about being firm to the edge of cruelty, and then you go all soft. LOL I should tell you all the shit my "spirit guides" have forced down MY throat in the name of spiritual growth. Hmmm...your polarization toward the "good" is eliciting a reaction from me toward the "bad"--but maybe not so bad, since my hellish experiences have profoundly altered my insights for the better. Sometimes a kick in the butt is the best thing for any of us. You know, mara-aum, Yeal is one of the thickest-headed and simultaneously self-deceiving persons I've ever had the misfortune of encountering, and I truly believe he NEEDS a few kicks in the butt to increase his awareness. LOL Still, okay, I know--he has the voices, and yes, the spirits seem to have deemed him worthy of this experience. But I do believe he will need to have his ass kicked quite a few more times before he gives up his ego-based self-deceptions, because he's holding onto them so tightly. I guess that's just the way it goes--and I understand what he's going through, to some degree.

Furthermore mara-aum, if it means anything to you, I felt definitely encouraged by my spirit guides to wail on Yeal that one time--and we're talking about the same spirit guides who practically had ME ridden out of town on a rail, tarred and feathered, for the good of my spiritual growth.

But fine, yes, I'll pray for his enlightenment. And yet, honestly, mara-aum, I believe it will come to him. But the ass-kicking is a necessary catalyst. LOL I mean really--he was lying about his age, dear! Dear God almighty...ego armor that thick is just begging for blows...

 

Oh for gods sake, take this to private messages. I posted something very personal that happened to me and asked what experiences anyone else has had. Not for you too to have a damn public arguement. Grow up

 

Wow...this is what happens in a forums, if you don't like open discussion, don't post.
You only have 5 posts, so I'm assuming your new. Word of advice: get used to free open discussion here...that is the point.

 

There's no need for abuse. A simple "please stay on topic" would have sufficed.

 

wow strega-that was hostile. sorry to have upset you so-but really your thread started a conversation that eventually helped me become a better person--i think that is something you could celebrate instead of cutting down.

these forum discussions are much like real conversations-they twist & turn then come back to the middle...its a pretty organic flow.

when i start a thread i get a kick out of where it may lead...i love reading the discussions that arise between people even if it gets off topic--but then again i'm not one that needs to feel that conversations need to revolve around me or my questions...i'm just happy to get the ball rolling...wherever it rolls is fine by me as long as its love based.

maybe there are some control issues at play? or is it that you are burning with questions you desperately need answers for (or else why would you be so...'snappy') if that's the case ask away. you are likely to get some good answers on this forum.