Strongest trip you've had?

you'll find her rygoody! i have to say when i first met 3xi i was fascinated but petrified of lsd. i had an x who used to tell me that i was barely on this earth already and that if i did lsd i'd fly away forever, so it scared the shit out of me. i did everything else (ESPECIALLY weed & shrooms) 3xi PESTERED me into trying lsd....i felt kind of like he pushed me into the pool....but i'm SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad he did! LSD is the BEST thing that ever happened to me.

Find a girl who's spiritual and into weed & shrooms......she'll see what lsd does for you & she'll want to do it to. that's what happened with me. 3xi did some while i was at work...i came home and we talked and he was such a great guy on it....when he was high it felt like he "understood me" for the FIRST time since i had met him. after the trip the shift in him remained. that's when i realized this stuff was a magic potion that could do me some good!!! i was still scared though....like i said i was pestered into it--thank GOD & 3xi.

you'll find her rygoody--no worries!

 

One bit of advice, on finding a partner who hasen't tripped but youd like to turn them on. In 3xi's case I feel it is warrented, judging by his experience and mara's apparent positive results. BUT, this is not always the case with everyone, and I have helped turn girls on who were interested, without myself being pushy and pursuasive about it, and seen them completley go off the deep end. And just remember, not everyone benefits from a bad trip and a mind is a very fragile thing. Not all of us can put it back together once it's broken, and as the saying goes if it aint broke, dont fix it. Be very careful about who you decide to help, because quite often, psychedelics bring out the insecurities in all of us and certain people are highly sensitive and very emotional. When you spend part of your trip helping a girl clean her self after going to the bathroom because she cant stop crying and sit still, you'll see what I mean. BTW that was mushrooms, not LSD.
Namaste -

 

wow....WOW....good point.

 

Thanks Mara.
That is just one example and I dont want to get into details because although she was a beautiful girl, this story gets a bit gross and thank God my mind is under my control like a soldier :tongue:
But after that I had to load her up on xanax and weed, and she spent the next hour thinking the tree outside was trying to get her to come to Hell. She was basically in shock and very jittery and I remember her saying that it felt like every bone in her body was on fire. Definitley not a fun trip, but we took LSD a few weeks later and had a blast. All relative, but just be sure you can handle another person freaking out when your tripping too because if not, well then your both in for a world of shit!

 

ageed! been there--NOT fun. BUT i did learn something about myself when i observed my reaction. it wasn't good either. i got really "pulled down" and then became resentful that my good trip was being ruined because of someone elses's karma. that's not exactly nice. i should have been grateful for the opportunity to be there for someone instead of resenting 'having' to be. i realized how easily my energy is affected by people around me-that's my weakness. when i looked at areas of my life, marriage etc i saw a similar ugly pattern i didn't like-was ashamed that it was in me--reminded me of my mother. as dreary as that part of the trip was it turned out to be a GREAT life lesson for me. for the person i was tripping with, after it was all over had some pretty sharp realizations as well. lucky for us it turned out the 'bad' thing was actually a good thing--but i guess its not the same for everyone.

for future reference --does anyone think there is some kind of checklist...stuff to look for to see if someone might be 'ready' for the experience. 3xi was sure that lsd was the portal i was seeking. he KNEW i'd love it-i was just being a chicken. someone's karma maybe? relayer--looking back was there anything in the people that went off the deep end that maybe could have been a sign that it wasn't time? life situations etc?

is there way to safely guage wether or not someone will have a 'bad' trip. in the case i mentioned i tripped with 3xi when he was severely injured and in pain--not the smartest move on our part.

 

Yes, definitely you have to be able to pull somebody out from shit if they start sinking in it. I also had some "fun" time convincing the girl(not my girl, I was even with my wife there, also blasted as hell hahah) to go to sleep after 3 days of tripping as she started panicking and shouting that this is hell. She was convinced that she was sleeping and she wanted to wake up, like she is having a very realistic bad dream and can't wake up. I finally convinced her that she is not sleeping and i n order to wake up, she must go to sleep. After that we were laughing so much about that, but when it was happening, it wasn't too funny.
Anyway, be carefull and try to judge or feel the person, and you have to be 100% sure that you will be fineat any time.

 

You shouldn't have any negative approach to anything whilst tripping, you can ease others if they're tense by being positive about a trip, that's what makes it amazing, mushrooms is really nice for group tripping from my experience.

 

I've gone through the same thing only once, when I was tripping and thought my reality was a bubble of dream thought and that I was going to wake up soon. Except, it kept going and going and going...

 

lol funnyzzz...

i only laugh because i've had the trips where you think hell is right there before..not so fun.
i wish my mind was under control like a soldier. i know this sounds crazy, but i feel like my own mind is always arguing with me. weird huh? like everything I think it is always automatically questioned. really annoying. that's why i get those good and evil trips so much.

but i definatly know where rygoody is coming from. im so sick of dating girls that think the whole world revolves around them. everyone thinks im a loser cuz i play guitar and do acid, completely forgetting the fact that im in college and i work my ass of to help my mom pay for the house that we live in. geez i wish i could meet that one really cool girl that would just like to chill out.

 

You will neodude. Just wait for her to come I've met several amazing girls but my mind always closes up and needs to destroy everything good that comes in my path so Im kind of cursed that way. But I've got my baby ruby magical transformer child Jack to raise so Im ok, my whole purpose for the next 15 years or so is to be a good dad and try and teach him to be better than I, just like my dad tried to do. Just focus on your mom and yourself you know? Because family is more imporatant than anything or anyone else and will always be on your side -

 

yeah i thought i was in love once. i mean like head over heals. i think it was b/c that girl was so close to who i wanted her to be, but not exactly there.


anyways i learned that you can't form your own person to your liking.
story in short, i became an emotionless shell of a man, who never has any desire to have a relationship ever again.

but good luck rygoody!!!!!

 

that's a huge statement. wow.

but what about people evolving-being in a relationship so you can make each other better people? its hard-not fun but it can work. but there is something to be said for loving someone as they are...not what you wished they were.

 

I believe in that, I think that when you are in love, you always love the person as they are, but there's always like you put it an evolving process that goes on. Is not about becoming someone else, but overcoming the problems that we all within ourselves and becoming even more who we really are.

 

well we started out close, but throughout a 2 year relationship we started to go our seperate ways, but i was still trying to make her how she used to be. i guess that is what i meant to say. im just pretty pessimistic about relationships now. maybe i'll change in the future.

 

i hope you do change...you know neodude i thought by getting married life would be easier. its not. its harder. MUCH harder--you have an extra dynamic to deal with besides your own. the choices of the other will always affect you. some days its really fucking hard--its a discipline to keep going. but on the days that its good you get why you stay & try to make it work. you see how what you hate in the other is really something you hate about yourself. we act as mirrors to one another. the idea is to inspire the other into greatness...to help inspire them to be the best person they can be...lead by example by being the best person you can be.

and remember that what you may concider motivation might actually have the opposite effect. sometimes a partner will pick at an area that causes insecurity and use it as a guillotine. what that will do is cause a fear response-fight or flight & neither ends up good.

the idea is to inspire and to do it in a loving way-most people don't know how to do that-they try to intimidate change. (at least from my personal experience) that only causes mistrust & resentment. the ideal is to foster an environment of love and supportive positive growth. not easy.

also...as much as you aim to see your partner evolve into a greater self, if you don't love, appreciate and cherish what is there in the HERE & NOW and express that, you are sure to lose it forever.

 

I think what need's to be considered is that most of us in our 20's and younger are just not ready for the kind of commitment a marraige requires. It's not about being honest and supportive, it's about learning to accept, and when your young it's hard to accept because you feel like "Well there may be someone out there better suited for me." But when you meet the right person, I believe that the magic just happens and it stays, no matter what obstacles a couple will run into, and honestly, the majority of us are not fully mature enough to even BE that kind of person, let alone find one.
I look at my own experience and see the few times that I thought I was in love, and then I look at how I love my son and realize that I dont have it in me to love another person so unconditionally and so truly. I love everyone, I have no hatred or grudges with anyone I've had problems with. But I cant imagine, even if I found a girl who was interested in me and was understanding and seemingly perfect for me, that I could love them as much as I do my son, you know, like a part of my small family that no matter what happens I would still feel the same 'love'.
I think there are two kinds of love, there is the emotional, chemical kind of love that can easily turn into dependance and a crutch for one's own happyness, and the Love of creation, the endless, undeserved love that God has for us and is our true nature. And sure, we use that kind of Love as a crutch for happyness, but the difference is that we ARE that love and it will never change or grow old, and surely it will never die. But relying on another person for happyness is most definitley open to adversity and suceptible to vast changes, and until two people mature enough to the point where the love they can share as a couple is equal to the love we all share as an existance, I cant forsee lasting potential.
The way I look at it is that if your going to get married to someone, wether you are a boy or a girl, the key thing's to live out are to accept the other for who they are, silently try to guide them by proper example with room for growth when they are acting innappropriatley, giving them personal space and freedom, and making them feel like they are truly cared for by paying attention to them when they need advice or just want to pour their heart out. Healing is, in my opinion, the most important part of a relationship because by getting married or even getting serious, you both subconciously accept that the two of you are breaking out into life together and are there to help each other deal with the pain that comes with learning. But not many people can constantly be a supportive healer, nearly everyone need's healing themselves, just some people dont need it quite as often as others.
I may not be entirely correct because I have not found true love and dont know if I ever will due to my own personal hangups when it comes to being intimate, but I feel from observing elderly couples married for 50+ years throughout my life that these basic principles are what made the marraige and more importantly, the happyness, last through all the years gone by.
It would be nice to meet someone during the early 20's period of our lives and sit back next to them at 70 years old watching the sunset, drinking green tea and smiling with each others eyes because the souls have grown into one entity and have seen so much together. But it is not at all necessary and it doesnt have to happen in order for one to experience love because if you look in your heart, you ARE love and always will be.
Namaste -

 

sometimes when we act like everything is all good we are condoning what we actually feel to be wrong in some way. i am talking about love vs tough love. i think tough love is true love. not tough as in beat it into ya, i mean tough as in tell the person what you think don't just keep it to yourself so you both can enjoy a happy la la and pretend to be in love.

i tell you when you disappoint me mara (mara-aum is my wife) and every time i do this you defend or justify your actions. when you do this i become visibly upset with you, of course i do, you are letting me down once again. when you justify or make excuses for the actions that i feel are below you, what you are actually doing is saying i am not going to become a better person for you because i am too proud to admit that i am not perfect. you do this all the time mara and believe it or not i am a good man for being honest with you and being upset with you. this does not mean that i do not love who you are today at all. what this means is that i can see where you need improvement because i am around you so much. i realize that no one is perfect and obviously i see many of your qualities or i never would have married you. there are a few things about you that need work and i will not sit back and let you deny these things. i will not deprive myself of a good woman and a good woman does what she can to better her self for her man and herself. i am not an unreasonable man at all. what really gets me is that you are not getting the message - no matter how many times we go through this you don't seem to get it even though i spell it out for you over and over. you have to stop being so defensive when someone has advice for you. accept it as a part of life. 33 years old and this has no doubt been happening to you for your whole life - obviously something is wrong with how you look at things if you can somehow convince yourself that what you do is best when all you do is get conflict when you do. i guess it really comes down to how you always somehow turn it around on the man. you forget that the man has a good reason to be upset with you, as you become upset with him for being upset with you, like it is some sign of his lack of affection for you, when infact it is a true sign that you are with a good man who loves you.

for some reason i feel this is relevant to the conversation.

 

strong post 3xi.

that made a lot of sense.

 

3xi, that is a very personal post, thanks for sharing. I can say that we went through the exact same thing (on bettering ourselves). Once we had shook the connotations associated with pride and self importance, we were suddenly on exactly the same level and realised each others flaws and downfalls - from that moment we were able to help each other and grow withough feeling like the one was "attacking" the other.

Reading what I've just typed, it may be difficult to understand. But if I could explain in real life you'd probably know exactly what I'm talking about.

Anyhow, the light at the end of the tunnel meant that now, my wife and I are so in love just like we were 10 years ago. It was an amazing transformation that we thank the greater powers for everyday. Life, finally, has a true meaning without the superflous and unimportance of unnecessary self-pride and all the other byproducts of human emotion. Now, it's the real deal.

Sorry if this comes across as a little odd, but it's rather difficult to explain

 

3xi-my post to neodude had NOTHING to do with our issue yesterday but i can see how you could have assumed that -although i didn't spill out all my issues with you personally out for the world to hear on a public forum. i didn't appreciate that AT ALL> i certainly NEVER singled you out like you did to me. but since you did it anyway, and these people are like family maybe their perspective could help us both...and save "us" in the process.

i do truly want to change and be a better woman & wife to you. but if you are going to tell the story maybe you should give the details instead of leaving people to their own assumptions of what i was being defensive of. actually i could probably use some objective advice.

my husband is prepared to leave me unless i lose 40 pounds and become a better housekeeper. i work a full time hours + my own business + ALL household responsibilities because he is injured and can't help. i get very drained--he gets mad because i don't do it all good enough and i'm lazy for being tired. however in fairness i must point out that i do get defensive--he is right that i could drop the armour.

you don't lose 40 pounds in a week. i'm eating like a friggin sufi & taking horrid meds to help it come off faster. yesterday we went out for a sandwich. i planned on this being my only solid food all day--dinner was going to be broth & lettuce. i got a veggie one on multigrain with lettuce tomate and cucumber on it. cheese was pretty much my only "fat intake" for the next 24 hours so when the guy at the sub shop asked how many slices i wanted i asked for 2 because i starved myself to "earn" those 2. 3xi got mad at me for getting the cheese & that's what i got defensive over...that snowballed into him screaming at me ALL THE WAY home threatening to dump me--AGAIN--because i got defensive over a slice of cheese. me explaining why i felt i could have 2 slices according to 3xi was me justifying a wrong choice. i was bad for having that second slice and the fact that i defend it means i'm never going to change. is it? i WANT to change...do you think i enjoy beingoverweight? i'm already starving my fucking self--this is not a healthy diet i am on. its a medicated starve myself on soup so my husband won't leave me diet. my sister suffers from an eating disorder and its the diet she used to use to lose weight quick. lots and lots of cabbage soup to make you feel like you aren't going to die and the BARE minimum to stay concious. no weight watchers no nothing--pure desperate deprivation. it was one fucking extra slice after well over a week of feeling like shit in an unhealthy way out of desperation-and i got deficated on for it. yes. i got defensive. i'm sorry--really.

i love my husband. i spent all afternoon sobbing my heart out at the thought of losing him and beating myself up for not being "june cleaver" enough for him while i cleaned the whole apartment so it would look great when he got home...only to wake up and read all this. he says he loves me....

there are things about him i don't like but i never EVER think of dumping him because of it. i am committed to this marriage--i wouldn't even make a threat like that.

he said yesterday that before i got fat he used to love my face...before i was fat do you think he ever told me he loved me face? that was the first i heard it. maybe if he had, i would have kept it the same. i heard all the time how beautiful his x was....but never me. rarely a kind word to me even then....what inspiration was there then to stay that way? my stupidity--i should have been inspiration enough. not do it for him-do it for ME. i know better now.