It's a shame that what I feel to be the most beautiful substance next to LSD can be seen as so immediatley evil. Sure it has it's dark side, as does LSD, but what about the beautiful side? I have to say that some of my deepest feeling's of euphoria and sense of connection with all of existance and life have come from opiates, and the amount of information I've absorbed has been a direct result of the beyond advanced energy opiates can give in moderate doses. It has it's destruction and I attribute this to it's being ilegal and looked down upon so coldly moreso than I do it's addictive nature. Im not trying to discuss the danger's and financial problems that come with opiate addiction, Im only trying to discuss the euphoria and pain numbing qualities of opiates. I will have to go out here and say that the majority of the best poetry, short stories, paintings, drawings, and song's I've come up with have been during morphine highs. Without a doubt, opiates bring out the best in certain people. The withdrawl and depression that follows weeks of abuse surely bring out the worst, but this doesn't have to be so, we chose to allow this drug to consume us or allow it to be an occaisional enhancement. During a morphine high, music has never sounded so beautiful, nature has never overwhelmed so profoundly, people have never been so interesting, talking and thinking have never been so soothing to the soul, studying and reading have never been so lofty, life, itself, has never been so wonderful and full of love. There are many different kind's of people who use opiates, some use recreationally on weekends or at parties to have a mellow, relaxed feeling and let loose. Some use it only when the bodily pain they are suffering is otherwise unbearable. Some abuse it daily just to get by and avoid dealing with their naturally depressed and pessimistic view on themselves and others. Some use it to enhance their artwork, whatever the medium. And it is the artists who use them who have made music, writings, and paintings that make the whole world euphoric from sharing in their creations, and with music especially, brings people closer together in harmony and happyness. Im not one to deny the obvious potential for opiates to control your mind and your money, and with heavy abuse their is great risk of serious health problems. But I see a differance between a user who bangs heroin everyday just to keep from getting sick, and a user who take's a few percocets every once in awhile to feel groovy. Whatever your reason for using, I hope you stay safe, have control to quit if it get's out of hand, and do whatever you can to prevent others from going down the dark path entirely. But otherwise? I hope you all catch a nice buzz and relax and take it nice and easy. Enjoy what you have now and be careful not to go off the deep end. I've been down the road of addiction and abuse and I was never so much bothered by the physical symptoms of withdrawl. But it was the mental effects that truly tested my mind and strength as a human being and opened my eyes to a lot of my shortcomings and insecurities, as well as what I was using the morphine for, to try and easily cover up what I was lacking in my life. I just wanted to start this thread because the opiate users on this board catch a ton of flack for their own life choice, and Im not trying to suggest anybody who hasent tried opiates go out and buy a bag and get busy. Im just telling the truth. Namaste Family -
hell yeah nice vibes. I believe that the advantages of opiates are numerous, but not often fully accessed by the average rec. user. It always bothers me when people use an opiate as just another was to "get fucked up." I prefer they choose an opiate on purpose, for its intrinsic properties, not because they are trying to escape something. My friends and I like oxys a lot, and they're so much fun to share, but not with someone who doesn't appreciate how singular and panacean they are. If I'm sharing oxys with someone, they better make like it's the greatest thing that will ever happen to them, or it won't happen again.
Nice! I too have noticed the majority of users, some even my lifelong friends, who started out using opiates to just get fucked up and years later, are still doing just that. I always wonder, Doesnt the opiates EVER inspire them to do something other than play video games, mix with pot and lounge around, and have sex for hours? I mean sure that stuff is fun and if that's what your into, then whatever I wont intervene. But man, pick up a book or a musical instrument and project that high! :tongue:
Sorry I just don't see it most times with Opiates I only see the Devils Drug buy Far with users. sure the high is like being in Gods warmth but in all reality its a fake warmth which brings a fake Happyness to the user. For this reason its the number #1 drug used to escape reality. As for me even though I know this I still love it though and really don't care. I also really don't know to many people who start using Hard opiates like Herion/OC's and don't get hooked or fuck there life up in some way or another eather with legal,social or medical problems and most who start using hard core opiats if they want to believe it or not are addicts ? As for me I really don't give a fuck if its God's Drug or the Devils and that I am a addict or not Hey call it self centered if you will?All I know is I like the Feeling of the pain from a Needle going into my arm, sometimes the feeling of seeing that blood hit back in the needle knowing I have my vein is better then busting a NUT.I love the warmth of Herion over taking my Body going as its going threw my blood stream and finally hits my nervous system-Its pure Bliss. As for me and my usage I will probably always use Herion in some way for the forseen futuremaybe even the rest of my life ? atleast now in my life I have some sort of a handle on my addiction thansks to Methadone, But I am no fool eather I know dam well that Herion and addiction might cut my life short one day but I risk that for the high.But in the end even though I love the high of opiates I wish I had never tried it in the first place and know my life would be better now if opiates never came into it. I hope as crazy as it sounds that I can continue to use Herion in a moderate way so it will not affect my life and my familys life also.Who kows this might just be me foling myself so I can continue to use and stay a addcit but I guess only time will tell !!!!!!! I just pray that I never bcaome a junkie like I ouce was again !!!!
opiate high is bliss when you're feeling that good, anything you create will be beautiful. you just gotta like creating
Have you ever stopped to think that its just a chemcial reaction in your brain that makes you feel like that. Feels good to think that something is holy or has some sort of power, but it all boils down to basic chemicals reacting in your brain to produce different feelings :-/.
Shocbomb, not everyone becomes a junkie who tries opiates, I've met PLENTY of people who stopped using after turning 18 or 19 or so and gave up all recreatinal drugs. And acga5 I never denied that it was just a chemical reaction that brings happyness, but I never said it was holy. I called it God's medicine in the title of the thread because it's an old name for opiates, but I never said it has holy powers. And how does a drug bring 'fake' happyness? Is not any form of happyness a simple chemical reaction in the brain? I mean seriously lol :tongue: You fall in love, you give birth, you eat good food, you get laid, you take LSD, you get a new job, whatever it is that makes you happy its all the same chemical reaction so in my opinion everything is fake happyness. Maybe you guys dont get the same sensation as I do from opiates, or maybe you guys dont have much respect for them, I dont know Im not here to assume or judge anything about either of you. But in my post I never neglected to mention how dangerous the drug can be, nor did I ever call it a holy power. To me, in my personal opinion, opiates have as much beautiful potential as they do destructive, and I for once wanted to shine a light on the former rather than the latter. Nobody has to agree with me of course but please dont assume that I dont realize that its just a chemical reaction or that I am making the drug out to be mankinds gift to creativity. It's just a tool, you can use it or abuse it but it brings the same happyness as anything else only it's enhanced. Peace kids -
Thanks elover I realize that many people, even those who use opiates for dependance, will disgaree with me and say its not worth it. And, maybe they are right. But I am not denying the dark side of the drug at all, I just wanted to shed some light on the bright side to share my experience.
relayer- Hey for you maybe they are not a problem and you are not a addcit ? But for me Sorry man I just have never seen any one who used Herion or other hard opiates and liked them and then they continue to use them on a regular basis not get hooked in the end or hurt there life some how. I myself thought for years when I was in my late teens and early 20's that I had my Herion/Pill use under control, At first I thought I was not a addict becasue I was not physically addicted to them, But after daily use Physical addciton finally did happen.But I did learn after while how to use opiates and not become strung out again I pretty much had to grow up and ask myself is getting high every day worth my family,my girl and my life ? and going on methadone did not hurt eather. LOL but I now do have my addcitoin under control, I would like to think without Methadone in my system that I would still have it under control but I just don't know and don't want to know right now I will come to that door later in my life becasue there is no way I want to be on Methadone forever. But to get to this point where I could do opiates and all drugs responsibly I had to go threw tons of bad shit like gong to jail multiple times,loosing the trust of my Girl and family,and being a down right Junky thief piece of shit for years.The thing is alot of people who are addicted will never be able to use again repsonsibly and will always have a problen. Like I use to be when I would go back as soon as I felt that high I wanted it every day all the time. Thats where I guess I am different now and I know dam well I can't be high 24/7 any more with out being a Junky and having a terrable life. All being high 24/7 does is bring problems that will get worse and worse until you are totaly strung out again and then you will become that Thief who does not give a shit about anyone but yourself and getting your next high. God I am so happy that not me anymore. But saying that hears a example of why I think its a fake happyness for alot of users. hears one example of many When I was strung out and depressed as soon as I did Herion I forgot all about the pain in my life. I could steal something that morning from a loved one pawn it off and feal horrible the whole time about it but as soon as I got that herion in me I forgot all about the pain and what I had done and was happy. another example- I would fight with my girl about my drug use or drinking and I would feel terrable about what I was doing to her but as soon As I got that herion in me I forgot all about the pain and was happy with life as long as I was high, The bootm line is thats not normal for a person to be like that. Thats exactly why its a fake happyness and the drug tricks you into thinking every thing is fine when you are on it. but when you come off of it you feel 10 times worse for what you did and your problems are still there and are proably worse. Atleast now when I use I am not ecsaping reality. I am using just o enjoy the high. Opiates really are the ultimate love hate relationship.
Shocbomb lol, do you even remember me man? We used to send pictures back and forth of heroin and morphine pills on here like, just 8 months ago :tongue: I was a full blown junkie and now only take them sparingly, but trust me bro, I know all too well what withdrawl is about. Did you even read my whole first post? I say it all right there my friend!
O yeah bro I remember you man, I got to say I do love your post they make me think alot about shit in my life. I am so gald you also got to the point now where you could take them responsibly. PS-Buy the way I got some new pics of dope bags I got a few weeks ago I will post them up in a few days. PSS-I totaly knew what you ment when you said its Gods medicine, Actually back in the day of Alexander the Great and then the Romans they use to call it the medicine of the God's. There was a history channel special about the history of opiates and I learned about that one there. Even all the way up unitl the late 1800's they called it that.
haha Shoc Im sad just kidding :tongue: Remember the little 60's I took a picture of me holding a handfull and we took turns posting what opiates we had? Man, that was back in May Im sure! Back when I had short hair too. I used to take tall glasses of Mountain Dew and crush up 360mg's in there and down it. Those Friday nights were a blast, getting all jacked up and typing on hipforums haha. But yea I much more cleaned up these days thank God.
it's the same thing with any type of spiritual experience. You can will your mind into elevated plateaus of thought one way or another, but it's always an arbitrary, chemical process. Don't think of chemicals as being bad; your whole body is naturally composed of chemicals, they are instrumental in making bodily functions occur. It's thought by many that the root of religion came from ancient man using mushrooms or some other psychedelic as a sacrament. I know when I had shrooms, it elicited some very true and very profound spiritual realizations, not dissimilar to what religious zealots find through their meditations. It's not the drug, it's not a spirit, it's all just your mind. You can access it through various means. So don't presume that since someone used a drug to get somewhere, it's less real than a conventional method, since the latter may very well have sprung from the former.
