Salvia is a typical Italian plant! We Italians use commonly salvia for cooking. I have tons of salvia in my garden! I use it to cook my roast beef, fry potatoes and many other things good to be slurped! I can assure that used this way it has no psychedelic effect. Anyway I never used it differently. ;p PS I didn't know in England you called it salvia too.
perhaps the insight that what one observes isn't necessarily reality, it can all depend on perspective and state of mind, something I believe we understand as children but which can be lost in the emotional turmoil of adolescence, the big I am
That's a good way of putting it dappy It's this idea that drug experiences are somehow a glimpse into a truer state of truth that annoys me; it's just a different state, and usually one characterised by a retardation of the faculties not a sharpening. It's just a version of religious delusions of meaning...
anybody read the bril book by Graham Hancock, Supernatural- Ancient teachers of mankind??? If not and you interested in hallucigens and how they have shaped people through history, read it! Graham is not a normal scientific researcher, in the sense that scientists don't normally experiment with what they research but he does, which gives a fresh outlook on the highly debated 'magical' properties of some plants.
He's not the originator of that theory.. Terence McKenna came up with it in the 70s. He theorised that Psylocibin mushrooms gave one group of apes an advantage over the others - which is true, as psylocibin in lowish doses heightens visual acuity. Hence this was useful to them, and so humans evolved in tandem with magic mushrooms (and other psychedelics in places where P. cubensis doesn't grow, like Amanita muscaria in Siberia).
I'm already aware of Terence McKenna's work, my opinion is that Hancock takes a more scientific approach and connects a whole lot of factors that McKenna never touched on, either way they all good reads
Indeed.. notsure what all the "evolution is bullshit" people make of them though Funny that we don't really have that problem here.. there's no question of teaching Creationism (of any religious stripe) in schools, except maybe private faith schools.
OK, you've been quoted three times already with this one, fourth entry. I'm clutching at straws but I have a feeling that you haven't taken some of these drugs that' ve been discussed. I personally think you do experience a warped reality but reality nonetheless, which is difficult to rationalise. I haven't tried every cool drug and Salvia is one but the experience of mushrooms is something else. I agree with the Rev. They do need to be taken responsibly as they have a huge physical affect (mushrooms). That or my brain has started to fry.:ack:
I have actually, mushrooms particularly a fair few times (though not saliva), so I'm speaking from my own experience. I've certainly experienced the illusion of having greater perception and insight, but when you step back from the experience and actually analyse what's going on rationally you normally find that what appears to be insight and enhanced perception is simply the rediscovery of incredibly simple ideas as if they are deep and new. This is why nothing useful can be "brought back" from such experiences, they are simply an effect of alteration and retardation, not enhancement, and they cannot teach you anything that you didn't already know. These experiences can certainly have a functional (and of course recreational) use, to enable you to look at old things in a new way and to rediscover simplicity, not to mention having a jolly good time. But as someone who has experienced these things many times, I'm deeply sceptical of claims that there is any knowledge worth having that can be accessed through these substances that is not available through the genuine insight of rationality, and often far more readily, clearly and accurately for that...
hehe lithium said retard... hehe. ahhh that was funny =] no i dont have anything useful to contributate.
