USA draft: Women's opinions wanted!!!

i thank those soldiers, very much so....my brother is currently over in Iraq, but I think you should be able to choose if you want to go or not, and I choose not to.

 

Drafting women into the military would go against thousands of years of just about every culture around the world. Men have always been the soldiers, the only place to really ever break this rule is Israel in modern times. I'm all for letting women serve on the frontlines if they want, but as a man I wouldn't like the idea of women getting drafted.

 

You choose not to because you are morally opposed to war? Or because of your cowardice.

 

U.S. of A is fucking ridiculous. What's even more ridiculous is that the majority in a democracy is supposedly strong enough to have their voices heard and change the way the government functions, so I am left to believe those citizens of America are alright with their system. Stop blaming your government and change mentalities, being obliged to sign a drafting paper at 18 is completely ridiculous.

 

Every human has the fucking right to make their own decisions based on their own intentions. It is human cruelty to force others against their will to be part of something that contradicts their moral.
What's next? When you're 20 they'll send you a nice letter in the mail obliging you to become a practicing Christian?
Both scenarios are completely uncalled for and when I'm older I'm seriously starting an organisation such as the UN to track down crimes of morality.

 

Americans are sheltered inside their wall against their own will.

 

If the world we're in today is Dog Eat Dog, it is mainly because of your country's continual quest for power. For decades they've been supporting dictatures all over the world by being afraid of the "supposedly" rising power of the USSR. But as the U.S. we're incapable of seeing the truly poorly average state of Russia, they became paranoid, imagining threats everywhere and thus supporting countries they are at war with today. Because they made them stronger to protect their asses and now those countries no longer supported face a bunch of troubles inside their own grounds.
So shut the hell up with your family values and that war is what keeps us in our nice little houses with our families and that the world is full of Dog Eat Dog keeping us alive. If those are truely your intentions though, than hop on a plane and fight for you family. Or is "cowardice" keeping you here?

The reason humans live today is from acts of altruism. From being together, from helping each other out. Proofs of that date back since 40 million years ago, with the findings of first human social regroupments, where Hominidaes holding their hands and helping themselves out for collective growth, wether for food hunting or shelter. You cannot compare humans to animals because it is clearly obvious that humans have the ability to reason and animals do not. Anyone who's had at least one philosophy class knows that. There is no animal out there who will tell you ''Yes I know I exist, and therefore I ask myself questions to figure out the characteristics of the world I live in!''

Humans on the opposite, have that ability to reason. But be my guest and live like an animal guided by instincts and the only will to survive by agression.
We have the ability to reason and to put that agression aside because it is not needed for the growth of our species. We know we fucking exist for Christ Sake. We can do anything we want once we know we exist, and if you choose intentions based on the killing of others, or the egotistical will to fight for your own belongings, then you're a fucking ape my friend.

Now this is rare that you see me answer like this, I am a very open person, but when it comes to people making things from bad intentions when we all have the capacity to create good depending on our self-consciousness, I find it hypocritical to live sheltered in illusionary principals and to live in a certitude where those bad intentions can be done from those illusions

 

1) Every Country in the world is in it for the best interests of themselves, not just the U.S, you simply target them because they are the most efficient at doing it. You think that if there was nothing stopping the Chinese or any other Government from coming in and taking over your country and draining all the resources they wouldnt? They would just hold your hand and be fair, no that is not the case, which is seen in Africa where many nations leech their resources until they have nothing left and then close down their factories and leave, causing massive job loss, in nations where they have nothing left.

2) I have served six years in the military, secondly, was it not your French brothers who surrendered in WWII?

3) Your statement about altruisim is false, we do not join a group or clan because we want to help everyone else out, we join into groups because of the feeling of safety they give us not because we feel another person in the group will benefit. We join because we want to reap the benefits of the group.

4) You simply hold your ears and go "blah blah blah" and think you do not have any intincts*instincts, this is because right now you have everything you need, once you take a few steps down on maslow's hierarchy of needs and your true behaviour will show.

5) You can continue to live off the resources/secuirty those soliders provides for you, while at the same time complaining that the war is wrong.I just realized something, this is quite sad, you say, "thus supporting countries they are at war with today. Because they made them stronger to protect their asses ". Then you go on to say, "From being together, from helping each other out. Proofs of that date back since 40 million years ago, with the findings of first human social regroupments, where Hominidaes holding their hands and helping themselves out for collective growth, wether for food hunting or shelter. " interesting? Not dog eat dog right. No one in this world gives a damn about you, and you have to fight for every little bit you have.

 

I never said that people should be forced to serve, but, if they want to stay in that nation and enjoy the luxuries, then they should be expected to give something back and provide for others. If not they may move, but its not right for someone to leech for 18 or 20 years and then turn tail and run when it is their turn to serve.

 

if theres a draft i am sooo out. Fuck war. I support the people that choose to join up. Its their choice but my choice is not too. I will NOT be forced to do something that is against my moral code.

 

But was part of your moral code to accept/enjoy what they provided for you for eighteen years right?

 

And women providing for the family goes agains thousands of years of just about every culture around the world as well.

There is no reason why a women would not be able to serve just as well as a man. I mean it would be one thing if we were going out there and getting into fist fights or knife fights. But we use guns. Anyone can shoot a gun. I mean come on. Do you realize how many different jobs there are in the military. If they were automaticly being sent out into the front lines to stab some people that would be one thing. But i dont see whats wrong with i women shooting a gun, flying an airplane, being a medic, driving a tank, or patrolling a border.

If women want to have equal rights as men, and be treated equally, and be given the chance to do things that throughout history have been associated with men, then they cant just take the good things. I mean that would be like me saying i want to be a stay at home dad, minus the cleaning cooking, and running the family. I just want the good of not going into work everyday.

 

1) First of all, if there are economical and military threats in the world today, it by all means doesn't mean I have to do everything in my power to protect myself. Of course I will if that moment comes, but to keep defending myself from threats and growing stronger for my personal growth and for that of my family is something I am strongly opposed to because we shouldn't be in that situation in the first place. If I want to change how things function it's not by following the defend myself / gain more riches that I will change anything or reflect my intentions out in society.


2) My question was just a reflection of a question you asked someone else in this thread, I couldn't care less about your military exploits and what does the French surrendering add anything to your argument?


3) Yes, in today's world we join clans and groups for the benefits. I'm talking about the historical development of the homnidaes throughout the years to prove how much the world we live on is not that much of a Dog Eat Dog world like you claim. Altruism is simply the core of the human's conscious development. There are no other species on earth that are aware of other's existence, hence they are only able to act through agression and principal needs. Humans are the only ones who became aware that others around them were in the same existant state, we are the only species, for example, who assist to funerals (that goes back to the Neanderthals) to express compassion and to reflect that we all know which situation we're all in. In anthropology researches examining the actions of apes in the wild, when one becomes too weak and useless for the group (from major illnesses or amputated body parts) they simply kill them or let them alone. Although what identifies us humans, is the fact that we are able to be aware of everyone's importance in life, that we are all equal and that we have that CAPACITY to express compassion and care for others. I'm not saying that's how everything is. But since we have that capacity to make use of those things and attributes, I find it hypocritical to put self-importance at the top of the human intentions. It is where today's society is mostly hanging on, but that capacity to change things is in all of us human beings.


4) Of course I have instincts, but on top of that, I have reason. I won't go hunt down a cow with my bare hands just because my instincts for hunger tell me so, because I have reason. I won't go rape a girl to satisfy my sexual insticts, because I have reason. That reason is gained once we become aware of our existance, a human child will ask questions to understand what surrounds him. No other animal primarily guided by instinct does that. No animal is aware of his existance, no animal can reason on top of their instincts. Reason doesn't get rid of our instincts, but it holds place for humans to express different things, to give a meaning to their instincts, and to control them. It is because of reason we are able to have social contact, to develop language, if we were guided primarily by instincts we wouldn't be able to do so.


5) I am totally aware of what I said. If I said altruism gave humans the capacity do build on good intentions and before said the Americans did things to save their asses, then don't you see the logical connection? That we are simply doing the wrong thing and ignoring the good things we are capable of doing from altruism, reason, and self-consciousness.

 

I see I am simply wasting me time with you, anything I try to say just goes in one ear and out the other. How can you claim the altruisim is at the core of a human, this has been debated for hundreds of years and you just come along and delcare this? Give me a break. Perhaps you should not only study the sections of your high school philosophy textbooks that agree with your views, but at least try to read the opposing views and attempt to understand where they are coming from. And if your children/family was dying of stravation I think you would chase down a cow, if you were lucky enough to find one . We are guided by our needs, which change depending on if the most basic needs are satisfied or not. Animals simply chase the first level of maslow's higharchy, we have those needs satisfied and move on to other things. Also, the only thing anyone truly "knows" is that they exist, we can never know if anyone else exists or what they see or know to be reality is true. Maybe the only reason you help someone is to make yourself feel better, and maybe you only help them because you think they will be of use to you later on, and apes do not have the ability to help other apes, so they have no choice, at least they have enough morality to end the suffering of a fellow ape. And that Hunger thing really made me think, have you ever truly suffered? Have you gone without food for longer than 72hours? Have you seen your friends/family suffer/die from hunger? Then after you can watch that, you can say you wouldn't go hunt lol...

* a human child will ask questions in order to satisfy its need for understanding of the unknown in order to have some sense of security.

 

strange, i never signed up for the draft. and i guess im a coward too, cuz if they wanted to ship me off, im out. i dont give a shit what happens to anybody but me, im selfish like that. oh well, i guess im a "little bitch" cuz i dont wanna get shot at for a war i dont care about, and a country i dont care about, and citizens i dont care out.

 

are you for real? do you even know this kid?

the military work to further the interests of politicians who don't care about them. there is nothing noble about it.

 

i personally have no issues with women being drafted or having to sign up like guys do at 18...

 

you challange my assumptions and make wild generalizations of your own. Do you personally know every politician and their views on war and how they feel about soilders? Even if you guys are right, and we went to war for resources like oil, dont those same people complain how high the price of gas is? And continue to buy that gas? Do you even know where most of your money goes to when you are purchasing things.

 

But you have no problem leeching off the services and security and basic rights it provides for you. You should just go get yourself run over by a train because you are an utter waste of life.

 

I really have nothing more to add to this thread. Good day