I'm vegan, and i'll be 100% honest with Meat eaters

Disclaimer: I was extremely upset and depressed when I wrote this, I was also sober for the first time in about 2 and a half months so I wasn't feeling myself. please don't be offended, if you are... eh oh well.


Why?
it has changed me SO much. I have never been tempted to go back, now that I don't eat it cheese smells disgusting and meat smells like somethings rotting(because it is)
Meat eaters are worse then most murderers in jail to me, I feel disconnected from society slightly.
The things we do make me ashamed to be human.
Most vegetarians are nice and shy/pulled back . me? i'm straight fucking forward with people, meat and dairy is fucking disgusting, some might say whatever, to each his own but i think that people are just fucking sick, and too selfish to care about what happens to anything but their own lazy fat asses.

I view farming and factory like blinded corpse munchers would view humans in the same situation, if you eat meat you might as well have been hitlers top man.
it's like if hitler was succesful and just kept breeding jewish people to kill for his own amusement.

Supply and demand, you buy meat you're paying to have a soul brought into this earth to be tortured drugged and and killed young.

I think that the idea that animals were brought here for us to eat is ignorant and just sounds fucking retarded, I can see eating meat to survive in a fair world when you have to but we don't HAVE to kill.

I tell you this because recently i've given up on humanity, and I hope something kills us all sooner then later.

I wrote a blog when it happened too, which caused alot of commotion, it's probably nothing to anyone here but here it is.

i copied and pasted a good reply to everyone who's replying to my bulliten "fuck the world" so that I don't have to explain myself over and over again

so heres the original post for those who didn't catch it.

Title: Fuck the world
body:
i've given up on it. it's sick as fuck and most the time i don't wanna be here.
when enough people decide they care enough to make this place better let me know
otherwise i'll see you in hell

heres a good reply I wrote to someone to what most of you are saying to me.
slightly edited to say what i meant and be more politically correct.(ok i added some things at the end too)


life is a living hell on ground here on earth, people make it worse.
It's not like I don't care, it's more like i'm not gonna change people, people generally change themselves.
I haven't given up my morals but i'm sick of trying to help and failing making me feel worse.

I want to join the black hooded crew if you know what I mean.
I would fully support every last fucker that works in HLS and goes home and sleeps fine at night to be publicly hung, stoned, razored, whipped and tortured to death.
Justice IS justice and that's what those people deserve.
you lay one hand on a disgusting precious human and you go to jail for a week but if you torture kill and experiment on hundreds of thousands of animals per year you get funded by the fucking government.

Do you see what I mean?
most christians actually believe that animals were put here for us to eat. and they tell ME that ignorance is bliss.

why doesn't Gandhi get any more respect here in america
It's one thing to ask you to believe in something to do with the afterlife, but this world would be alot better if people would atleast try to take examples if their not going to lead morally.



P.S.
money is pure EVIL


- end of blog


SOOO, yeah. while I wish the world was a better place, but it only seems to be getting worse.
I don't hate meat eaters, but they tend to like to give veggies shit for no good reason(oh noez! i don't murder!) so i'll send this foot right back up your own asses.

Enjoy your heart attacks and extra weight
I don't care anymore
have a nice life.. I hope your soul is pure in the next life shall there be one.

 

I'm perfectly fine with the way I look, and the way I eat. I love fruits and vegetables. I love natural products, and eat as much fruit and drink juice as possible. However you can't dis on people that eat meat. I like meat, I love cheese, and milk. Nothing wrong with that. Don't call me hitler, don't call me a murderer. I just like to eat meat once in a while. I give vegans and vegeterians my full respect and support for doing what you do and standing up for yourself. Good for you!
Don't bring weight loss and shit like that into this though..
I love meat and cheese and dairy products, organic is the way to go.
Respect.

 

im comparing the meat and dairy industry to a modern day holocaust and i will compare you to supporting hitler if you support it, nothing you say will make it ok because no matter what anybody says or however blinded people are sucking out of a cows nipple and murder are always going to be disgusting immoral acts.
Im sick of life
i'll say what i want where I want i won't be here long anyway

 

I've been a vegitarian for most of my life now. I've learned that being hostile, ignorant and a zealot makes people think you are an asshole. Worse yet, they now think that any idea you have is an asshole idea, and that anyone who shares even a little bit of your point of view is, by extension, an asshole.
So, you wanna change people's minds and try and take down the system?
don't be an asshole.
Want to alienate the people you are reaching out to and discredit those that are on your side?
Compare people to hitler.


On that note, holocaust references are in poor taste. they are an insult to those that died and they are an insult to you as a writer (they are borderline cliche). There are plenty of systemic mass murders out there to choose from, go for variety next time.

 

well said eugene..

 

the holocaust is the closest one though =]
being nice doesn't work either, you just get retarded responses that make 0.0% sense. Lets face it, this world is fucked and not enough people are selfless enough to do something about it.

 

Don't compare me to hitler, or supporting him. I have the deepest hate for hitler and anyone that thinks what he did was good. Yes animal cruelty is wrong, yes it happens a lot. Yes I'm glad you are a vegeterian and support the cause. But some people need dairy products. some people need meat. Don't call someone a nazi for drinking a glass of milk, because nazis and milk have nothing in commen.

 

I think you're sick.

People like you make we want to go out there and order a 20oz steak.

You're not working for the meat industry by any chance, are you?

 

i want soylent green. :drool: i

 

I say we release all the murderers and rapists from jail to make room for all the evil meat eaters!

 

I want a PBR!


Hey seriouslly brother, no harm. Peace be with you all!

 

I'm guessing that you take a somewhat confrontational attitude when you talk to people about their eating habits. When people are under attack, they get defensive and panic-y. they'll say some pretty stupid things, but that doesn't mean you are winning.
when they get to that point they completely shut down to any ideas you may have, and like some people in this thread, will do the exact opposite out of spite.

you'd be surprised how much you can accomplish simply by being nice and asking questions. It's kindof like how some christian missionaries run around telling people they'll burn in hell, and some ask you to have a cup of coffee while they talk about jesus. Who are you more likely to listen to?

I've 'converted' (although not permanently) two people using my method. I don't judge, have plenty of information offhand to justify my positions, and am perfectly willling to accept the decision of others, even if they go against my ethical beliefs (like how i'm pro-choice, anti gun control, but i can see the value and reasoning behind the pro-life and gun control arguements).

It's called tolerance, and it's necessary to make the world a better, more diverse place.

The real trick to dealing with the meat eaters (and us non-vegan veggies), is instead of of making them feel like they're assholes for not being vegitarians, but that they could be better people by becoming a veggie.

 

^ I agree with you totally.
Not that either style would get me to stop eating meat.

When I read "Most vegetarians are nice and shy/pulled back . me? i'm straight fucking forward with people" I rolled my eyes and laughed and sighed and thought 'another one of them pain in the asses'. I find far too many vegetarians act like this and make the whole of you look like complete radical idiots.
No matter what you are selling, be it electronics, house supplies, religion, or diet, be sociable or you're not gonna have many buyers. If you are sociable, even the customers that walk away without buying it walk away happy, and you keep your rep with them.

 

I agree. I find that I get very annoyed with the veg*ns who are in your face, telling everyone they are not good enough. I even heard a vegan say that vegetarians are worse than meat-eaters. Although I do also believe that they are just a very outspoken minority of the veggie community. I'm also more than a little tired of being lumped in the same category and being considered 'one of them pain in the asses' just because of what I eat, or don't eat.

The very first thing most people do when they are insulted is shut down. And that gets no one anywhere. Besides, the saying 'You catch more flies with honey than vinegar' didn't just come into existence by chance.

 

haha I remember very clearly participating in a thread about that, and seeing multiple others =)

 

Don't get me wrong....i have been a veggie for 20 years. But you are sooo angry. You aren't alone in your thoughts and beliefs, but aggression just bounces back and hits you right in the face. Others channel their 'passion' and beliefs into organisations that fight for justice in a cruel world.

Battery farms are going to be illegal by 2012 (in the UK). thats great news. Every little helps.

 

By the way eugene....have you thought about running for president!

 

Duck- Explain why you think some specific eukaryote cellular structures determine one organism is somehow more evolved or in some way better then those that don't have them. The genetic simlarity between a Banana and human is about 50% the same, wouldn't that be half way to cannibalism?

 

People have the right to live how they must. I respect vegan & vegetarians of all types. I am "Christian" but I dont believe that animals were here exactly for human consumption. There are other predators that are carnivals ( speaking of other animals eating animals). If you want your opinion heard more clearly don't compare others to a retarded asswipe like Hitler or think that meateaters are worse than rapists, murderers, etc. I am Pescatarian but I know for damn sure that I am not equivalent to any murderer so you can shove it. Just because I eat fish doesn't make me like the way you think...or any others that eat other meats, drink milk, etc. It seems you are angry at the world, and I am NOT trying to be mean at all. Don't just go off just because you feel like it. I respect your opinion on animal cruelty...it's one of the most terrible crimes ever! However, if someone wants to eat a cow, that is THEIR choice, judgement, whatever.

You have YOUR opinion & others have theirs.

 

This does seem to be a "let he whose is without sin cast the first stone" moment. As everyone else in this thread has said, yes, animal cruelty is wrong. But just because you are "pure" in that area does not mean that you are in a place where you can judge. Everyone's got their issues, man. Yours may be negativity and aggression. Anothers may be that they do not see the harm they cause by eating animals.

I've been working on my vegetarianism for a long time. So far, I've only got red meat out of my diet, because I don't have the money to be constantly buying substitutes. Last time I was a vegetarian my doctor told me to that I HAD to start eating meat because I was getting all sorts of deficencies. Does that me that I am a Nazi equivalent?

Nothing is black and white. Do everyone (especially yourself) a favor, and don't treat the world as such.

I don't want to get in an argument over ethics with you, but not everyone thinks it is necessary to be a vegan to be moral to animals. People may even find ways where the are ethicly comfortable eating meat (ex. eating only meat they have hunted in the wild). That does not mean that they are "evil". It means they have a different opinion. Can you definatly say that you have the answer?

To throw another cliched quote out there, "be kind, as everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle". Most people are just doing the best they can. Keep doing what you think is right, and be compassionate to others.

Peace.