Whats very wrong with all Religion?

Good point, and that's why I find it kind of impractical to insist on scientific proof for any belief that's supposed to guide people through everyday life.

 

Perfect!! Thanks

 

Absolutely! But many questions don't lend themselves to the scientific method, at least in our lifetimes. If we really need to make decisions based on some working hypothesis, science may not get us very far. (See previous post to Steve90.)

 

The reason why quantum was even brought into the equation was to validate the reality that there is power in conscious thought. Heck theres actually alot of power in that whole idea.
Have you ever known someone that you swear has a black cloud hanging over them, their life could simply not be any more unlucky. Always involved in one drama after another. (I used to hgave one of those suckers). Well based on the principals of these ideas here they have caused the cloud due to negative feelings. If we focus on grrr and up yours bucko attitude all the time then ... we going get screwed!! LOL But if we focus on happy and loving thoughts and demostrate that to others it shows in your life and in theres. Sortof like when you smile. It makes someone else smile too!!

I think that we are not talking about most people either. We are talking directly to each other here, and about what we all think is wrong with religion. I can tell you one thing .. We all pretty much agree on that word. Some say to me "well now , it serves a purpose for some lives"... well sure it does, if you're too damn stupid to know how to walk, talk and think on your own ... it sure as hell can be useful. But that is no trade for the murder lies and power they have been guilty is and its no trade for holding you hostage and not being all you can be. grrr I could go off for days about the living hell In the name of God they have done, they should be ashamed. Can you tell how I feel here!! lol ok I'm alll done and feeling better. Shew .. hehe.. Perhaps I shjould start smoking refer again ... lol Oh my . anyway . ttfn

 

Not true?

Perhaps its my wording more than anything else. I can be difficult to understand even on a good day.

My own background is one of yoga rather than religion so my wording is more geared along those lines. Many lifetimes instead of just one. And each lifetime another facet on the diamond.

Unlike most here, who either subscribe to one religion or another, or some other system, I speak from personal revelation alone.

I didn't really plan it this way, it just happened. And now I can't shut up . So here I sit on a hill and yell down to the flatlanders what I SEE. Some would argue I'm the fool on the hill. Such is to be expected when you see things that others don't. Since its internal, you can't offer any proof.

The best I can do is present simple and easy explanations to things that defy words to begin with. I try to keep technicalities and difficult concepts out of it.

Its a skill I've only begun to cultivate.



x

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RodRD4-sQ2s


Frank Zappa - Dumb All Over Lyrics

Whoever we are
Wherever were from
We shoulda noticed by now
Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances
Expect to improve
Its gonna take a lot more
Than tryin to remove
The other race
Or the other whatever
From the face
Of the planet altogether

They call it the earth
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right
cause we behave the same...
We are dumb all over
Dumb all over,
Yes we are
Dumb all over,
Near n far
Dumb all over,
Black n white
People, we is not wrapped tight

Nurds on the left
Nurds on the right
Religous fanatics
On the air every night
Sayin the bible
Tells the story
Makes the details
Sound real gory
bout what to do
If the geeks over there
Dont believe in the book
We got over here

You cant run a race
Without no feet
n pretty soon
There wont be no street
For dummies to jog on
Or doggies to dog on
Religous fanatics
Can make it be all gone
(I mean it wont blow up
n disappear
Itll just look ugly
For a thousand years...)

You cant run a country
By a book of religion
Not by a heap
Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules
Of ancient date
Designed to make
You all feel great
While you fold, spindle
And mutilate
Those unbelievers
From a neighboring state

To arms! to arms!
Hooray! thats great
Two legs aint bad
Unless theres a crate
They ship the parts
To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears (get down!)
Not his, not hers, (but what the hey? )
The good book says:
(it gotta be that way!)
But their book says:
Revenge the crusades...
With whips n chains
n hand grenades...
Two arms? two arms?
Have another and another
Our God says:
There aint no other!
Our God says
Its all okay!
Our God says
This is the way!

It says in the book:
Burn n destroy...
n repent, n redeem
n revenge, n deploy
n rumble thee forth
To the land of the unbelieving scum on the other side
cause they dont go for whats in the book
n that makes em bad
So verily we must choppeth them up
And stompeth them down
Or rent a nice french bomb
To poof them out of existance
While leaving their real estate just where we need it
To use again
For temples in which to praise our god
(cause he can really take care of business!)

And when his humble tv servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blond wife who takes phone calls
Tells us our God says
Its okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
cause if we dont do it,
We aint gwine up to hebbin!
(depending on which book youre using at the
Time...cant use theirs... it dont work
...its all lies...gotta use mine...)
Aint that right?
Thats what they say
Every night...
Every day...
Hey, we cant really be dumb
If were just following gods orders
Hey, lets get serious...
God knows what hes doin
He wrote this book here
An the book says:
He made us all to be just like him,
So...
If were dumb...
Then God is dumb...
(an maybe even a little ugly on the side)

 

We should not associate anything as bad or good, but rather the application of it. One would be correct in saying religion causes much conflict. But so does everything else. It's sad that humans made so many mistakes in the name of their religion. But if you scrutinize each situation, you will see that the atrocities were not in compliance with the intentions of each religion. Christians, Jews, and Muslims alike have done, and are doing, many horrible things. But the teachings do not promote this behavior. PEOPLE DO.

For example: natural selection. True? Yes. Then we should kill off the weaker of our species to further advance ourselves, not to mention save the resources it takes to support them.

There are many ways to twist the truth, but the truth will always remain constant.

 

XeXON see this from your words...

This my dear enlightened friend is that "something" you have inside . I knew you were hooked up from the first time I read a single post of yours. And I understand very well what you mean by learning to cultivate your ability of sharing what you instinctively know, feel and SEE with others. It is a gift and it takes time to hone. If you can relate to others and actually I think if you care about helping others ... you are better able to share in ways that last and teach.

Theres not a lot of time .. IMO left to be hating each other and certainly not over religion. My Goodness ..


I have something very profound to ask the more christian of us here but its something to share with everyone.... So listen everyone ok?

I know one thing .. If we assume for just a moment that the bible had the right version of religion... just for a moment...

Let me ask you this... How many people were affected by Adam and Eves sin in the Garden of Eden when they ate the apple??

The answer naturally is Everyone. ALL people were affected by that sin ... right???

OK , Now then ... Surely then, when Christ ... God own Son Suffered and Died on the cross to pay for the sins of the world... THEN THEY HAVE BEEN PAID FOR ALLLLLLL MEN TOO>

Adam and Eves SIN affected all men .. therefore the SON OF GODS SAcrifice affected ALL MEN too.

Bottomline, the price has been paid. in full. Nothing we must do to receive it its done.

If it were anything more then, Adam and Eve and their SIN would be more powerful then the BLOOD OF JESUS. NO ...

Think about it.... Thats all.

The Bible talks of God being pure Love... and Men talked of God of wrath, and murder and sacrafice. It makes no sense to me in that context.

If you take some time and research ancient cultures of life that was heare thousands of years before the days they say were the days of the bible, you will see at least 3 that told similar, ( extremely) similar events including creation, and the flood of NOAH. Including a dang ark .. Does this not bother you.?

Start with the Sumerian and then the Egyptian... those 2 alone will cause you to be amazed .

There is a GOD, there is.... and hes written into our very DNA. We are a part of him and of him .. Its really simple when you know the facts.. They are out there .. just have a better educated look. Open your minds and hearts ask him to show you and he will. Simple as that.

OR NOT. As long as you're belief does not cause hurt to other humans, by closed mindedness, murder, death, or judgements... I think you are fine by me beieving in whatever truth you desire. But if you kill in the name of God or lend support to a "religion " that does, in ignorance or not... YOU are a part of the evil and share the blood on your hands. So if you have a belief system show enough compassion and respect for yourself to at least look at what has been revealed here.


Peace

 

i don't know ALL religeons. i know christianity and islam encourage people to deceive themselves in arbitrary ways about how harm and suffering are caused, though i don't think this was origeonally their intent. these two are also excessively chauvanistic, which buddhism is a lot less so, but still not entirely innocent of. the other beliefs i'm at least a little familiar with don't have these particular problems at all.

baha'i, which i'm almost more familiar with then christianity, though by no means any sort of authority on any of them, seems to claim the revealers of beliefs were infallable even if no one else is or was. that's the main reason, one of them, i'm not closer to it. i just don't and quite possibly can't, quite see it that way. whatever appointed those revealers of beliefs, all of them, might itself be infallable, but then again still might not. i don't quite see even that as having to.

i've never heard of taoist nor keepers of indiginous traditions nor shintoists, being shauvanistic though, nor have the three jewish denominations that i know ever seemed to be when i was exploring them. hindu i don't really know, nor sikh.

one thing i do find, is most claim to know things that are not really in any material sense known. most also seem to clam to know that some things can't or don't exist, and that's where just about all of them, save taoism and indiginous, get into appearent conflict with what can be observed, and or what can be experienced and felt without having to be known.

on the plus side though, all in some way acknowledge and even emphasise that there are spirits or awairnessess that we CAN experience/commune with, without having to even pretend to know what we do not. all also seem to, and here is where i believe they do represent the will of something that wishes us well, try to encourage us to want to avoid causing suffering.

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.../\...

 

Uhm, the Bible talks of God being "pure Love" indeed .... :leaving:

Please do not use this forum and this thread to pontificate about your Christian religion, with a holier than thou, know it all attitude.

There is a sub-forum entitled Christianity, where you can share your delusions and waste your time with a merry band of like minded Christian wack-jobs who share your brand of drug called Christianity.




Maybe, you can share needles with your fellow Christian drug addicts too.
:$

 

Maybe you should find some good references to your comments rather than relying on cult like groups and then generalising it to every Christian.

 

lol
You are the first person in all these pages to act like a fool . I think had you used more thought you can very well see .. as I have spoken outwardly that I do not like any religion whatsoever. I find them all evil and all have serious flaws in them . I think they were the work of men to serve them for profit.

That was written to help show the fact that if christiands believe God is love, then why must his book show him committing murder and wrath and sacrifice to him by death. It makes no sense to me. And furthermore, Why would Adam and Eves sin be more important thabn the death of Christ.

This thread is not yours and I was answering the question put forth. You place some idiots photo on here as if it reflects someones thoughts.. Hardly..

Steve90 .. I'm disappointed ... deal with that. And for someone that takes a non judgemental view I must say your true colors are beginning to show. Perhaps something I have said hit a nerve in your "non-judgemental view point"

And wtf do drug addicts have to do with this.. And where and when did they become mine? The photo is really a class act. You should be so proud.

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I enjoyed reading your well thought out words here. And you have looked at some religions I never knew existed too. Thanks for sharing that.

I think your observations are right on the money. It shows that we can all share in the same spiritual " awareness" or consciouseness and it be of a good nature, and instinctively know of it it and be with it .. in it. That is the one variable that al of these choices or beliefs have in common. Pretty profound I think ..

 

Then please also do not use this forum to pontificate about your hatred of Christianity, and particularly to misrepresent the beliefs of Christians in order to stir up hatred against them. The "God hates fags" sign is a blatant misquotation of Romans and is completely contrary to Christian doctrine. The people carrying it may think they're Christians, but they're not, and that should be obvious to any fair-minded person.

 

Well, same to you.
You and Niagra shouldn't use this Philosophy and Religion forum to preach, pontificate about your particular religion.
This forum is for general discussion of issues pertaining to philosophy and religion.

A post disputing the value of religion and the philosophy supporting it is valid in this forum. A post attempting to spread, propagate, pontificate about the teachings of a particular religion, in this case, Christianity, is not.

Similar to music, you and Niagra should post in the appropriate forums.
What the hell did they make a separate sub-forum for Christianity for?

You and Niagra should both move to the Christianity forum, where all you Jesus freaks can share the same disease and padded walls.

Have a nice day.

 

According to the Christian KKK klansmen,

Hate your next-door neighbor,
But don't forget to say grace. :leaving:


Sorry Okie, but this is just the forum to expose that big lie called Christianity.

 

In other words, you want to distort the truth with no backtalk.

 

Okie, I suppose, you're one of those brainwashed Christians who consider the "Holy" Spanish Inquisition as a distortion of truth, rather than an actual historical fact.

 

Uhm, if as you say, "there is a God, and he is written into our very DNA", then, according to your logic, God is written into Hitler's DNA.

Again, using your very own words, "We are a part of him and of him."

If God is written into Hitler's DNA, Hitler is part of God and of Him.
I dare you to spread that message to the descendants of more than 6 million Jews who perished during the Holocaust.



Thank you very much Nigra, for entertaining us in this forum and once again making a fool of yourself with your illogical reasoning.

 

No. I think it was as real and horrible is you do, but it happened a long time ago. Under Nero and Diocletian, there were terrible persecutions of Christians. But closer to our own lifetime there have been persecutions of all religious people by Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao, and other atheists. We can learn from all these events the real dangers that hatred and bigotry can lead to--including hatred against people of faith just because a minority claiming to be of the same faith did something evil. That's a logical fallacy that you've tried three times to perpetrate on us.